What the unlearned masses do not realise is that within each spell school is deeper specialisations. Vegetable Necromancy is more of a hobby for me... Mummification being my main expertise...
A difficult topic to discuss. I cannot judge though, and say who is right, and who is wrong. Today, with chemicals, industrially processed food, medicine that goes into both plants and animals (raised to become food), illnesses plaguing both kingdoms and even epidemic outbreaks, or the mutated species, neither vegans, nor carnals, not even those who eat everything, are the ones that are totally right, 100%.
From health's point of view, balance's, diet's, someone has to eat EVERYTHING, though, for normal growth and body function. Vegans disagree and with valid reasons/arguements, though, because many food types can replace meat, such as mushrooms (rich in protein, zero fat), or soya products (soya cheese, soya meat). Also, bee product consumption can replace banned food types, such as meat, and work like a diet supplement of exquisite quality, all at the same time...
Also, meat lovers, or the eat everything people, provide us with valid reasons, against excluding meat, or for eating it. Truth be said, meat lovers who exclude vegetables and fruit from their diet, are in a far worse and more wrong situation, than pure vegans, though. Because meat has toxins, and they cannot be processed well by the body, if you lack other sources of nutrition rich in vitamins, and plant/green fiber.
I myself try to eat a little bit off of everything. In right dosage, quantity and over carefully measured periods of time (never eat meat daily for example). I love greens, fruit and meat, all at the same time. About meat, i always try to eat meat low on fat, like white meat (chicken, tame rabbit, birds, fish...), from which our body benefits the most, and even athletes are advised to consume it regularly.
Finally, vegetarians can develop health issues if they are not careful enough, to consume products that substitute meat. They have to carefully research about nutrients, and which type of edible source contains those that they need the most. Like dried fruit, mushrooms, soya products and supplements, like natural bee products. Vegetarian, with proper research and responsible handling, is both GOOD, and EFFICIENT, for your body, its needs, and your SURVIVAL. Can work. And work pretty good. Is a matter of morals, ideology and personal choice, as far as i am concerned. I respect those who follow it, it is hard as hell, and full of risks and dangers if you do not know PRECISELY what it is that you 're doing. Only meat eaters is a no go. You ruin your health whatever you do, you die off at young age, this is not viable even if you research about it. And eating everything is what i do, what i would advice, the safest, and most usual, choice. No need to try hard. You will not be rewarded, you will not be special, if you never again, eat meat. Not even from a religious point of view. For me, the only acceptable reason to become a vegan, is detest against animal keeping and killing, for them to become our food. Anything else, i consider to be stupid and showoff; especially since it might put your health to dire risks.
Though I do think that the concerns of vegans are a bit silly and extreme, I do have a great admiration for the discipline and consistency in many of them. I have met a lot of inconsistent vegans (wearing leather shoes!) but I occasionally run into one who really goes the distance without feeling the need to tell everybody (or bring it up on a random internet forum), and I think that's pretty cool.
The one awkward moment I had during college: One of my friends became a vegan my sophomore year. I asked her why vegans did not eat eggs, and she responded "because it is like killing a baby chicken". Next week I see her outside the dorm rooms.... at a protest rally hosted by NARAL
@alnair If you're still around, I tried a vegan diet and it wasn't that bad (in terms of nutrition, tastes and cravings). However, it's not worth it for me. I've since reverted to a mostly vegetarian diet. I rarely buy meat at the grocery store now but might enjoy a steak at a restaurant. I do feel healthier, so it's a win-win.
Maybe that makes me an awful, un-sentimental person, but I pay more attention to how my lifestyle affects the environment in general and not just if that egg I just ate might one day turn into a cute baby chicken. I've met way too many pseudo-vegans who criticize meat-eaters, but completely ignore the fact that they themselves wear cheap clothes made in India made of cotton grown with help of chemicals which are illegal in most parts of the world due to their toxicity (not to mention abuse of workers, but that's not what this topic is about). Naive imagination, lack of knowledge and emotionality are way too often a reason why people give up eating meat. I absolutely respect people who do so while making an effort to actually understand what, and why are they doing and combine that with improving their habits in general. For me simply excluding meat from diet is less important, valuable and well, fair than eating responsibly in every aspect of it and making wise life choices. Nothing we do, use or throw away is neutral for the environment and while avoiding animal cruelty is a good reason for becoming a vegan, avoiding direct cruelty exclusively and ignoring wider impact of one's choices is hypocritical.
My girlfriend is a vegan and has been for over a decade. She is trying to convert me, a guy who grew up on steak in Nebraska. We have a lot of work to do… Today she tried to feed me broccoli! @Anduin help me! She made it into a sauce!
My girlfriend is a vegan and has been for over a decade. She is trying to convert me, a guy who grew up on steak in Nebraska. We have a lot of work to do… Today she tried to feed me broccoli! @Anduin help me! She made it into a sauce!
@jackjack My only suggestion is to fight fire with fire and douse her in a cream of cauliflower sauce served with veal
@Anduin This is a true story When I was young I had very curly hair (thanks to my Greek heritage). At one point my parents let it grow pretty long and my Godmother (non-fairy) came to visit. When she saw me she gave me the nickname of Cauliflower! She, her kids and her husband called me that for a long time actually, and still tell me that story. Now that I think of it, she probably blessed me in the eyes of TWO gods (Praise be to Ester)
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble. Besides, if people lay off the fast food and easy-to-prepare meals, prepare fresh meals and dishes with fresh ingredients, and have regular exercise, they can just as well be healthy. Just as 'healthy' as vegans claim to be. Healthiness isn't exclusive to eating patterns alone anyway.
@booinyoureyes: I'm going to murder hundreds of baby tomatoes for dinner by leaving the seeds in the tomatoes in my salad. I should feel horrible now. Am I unwillingly taking part in the vegetable holocaust now? Should I consider myself a mass murdering Tomato Nazi now or something?
Like I previously mentioned, I like fishing, so I'll open this metaphorical can of worms (by the way, worms aren't insects, but I can't wait for widely available insect-based food).
What do you think about the idea of feeding pets (omnivores and carnivores, obviously) with vegan food mixed with appropriate enzymes? From what I've seen this seems to be quite a popular thing nowadays and I still can't wrap my mind aroud this.
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble. Besides, if people lay off the fast food and easy-to-prepare meals, prepare fresh meals and dishes with fresh ingredients, and have regular exercise, they can just as well be healthy. Just as 'healthy' as vegans claim to be. Healthiness isn't exclusive to eating patterns alone anyway.
If eating healthy comes naturally to you, you obviously don't need diet planning. However, many people myself included, gravitate towards frozen and pre-prepared foods without a diet plan, so for me there's no question a vegan/whatever diet is the healthy choice.
Like I previously mentioned, I like fishing, so I'll open this metaphorical can of worms (by the way, worms aren't insects, but I can't wait for widely available insect-based food).
What do you think about the idea of feeding pets (omnivores and carnivores, obviously) with vegan food mixed with appropriate enzymes? From what I've seen this seems to be quite a popular thing nowadays and I still can't wrap my mind aroud this.
Try to feed a cat such shit and it will spontaneously turn its back to you. Trust me, my cat is the pickiest sir in the world.
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble. Besides, if people lay off the fast food and easy-to-prepare meals, prepare fresh meals and dishes with fresh ingredients, and have regular exercise, they can just as well be healthy. Just as 'healthy' as vegans claim to be. Healthiness isn't exclusive to eating patterns alone anyway.
If eating healthy comes naturally to you, you obviously don't need diet planning. However, many people myself included, gravitate towards frozen and pre-prepared foods without a diet plan, so for me there's no question a vegan/whatever diet is the healthy choice.
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble. Besides, if people lay off the fast food and easy-to-prepare meals, prepare fresh meals and dishes with fresh ingredients, and have regular exercise, they can just as well be healthy. Just as 'healthy' as vegans claim to be. Healthiness isn't exclusive to eating patterns alone anyway.
If eating healthy comes naturally to you, you obviously don't need diet planning. However, many people myself included, gravitate towards frozen and pre-prepared foods without a diet plan, so for me there's no question a vegan/whatever diet is the healthy choice.
And that, dear sir, is where most people have problems. Frozen and pre-prepared foodies are a no-no. Cooking yourself is so much healthier and it really doesn't require as much time as you think, depending on the recipe. And yes, for cooking, you'll have to put forward some discipline and willingness to put some effort in your meal. It's no different from anything else that requires effort, really. And that is what some people seem to lack in this topic: willingness to put effort and time in a healthy meal. No wonder America still sports the biggest obesity statistics in the world, for example. (no offense tho, guys) Just look up some interesting recipes, make some free time (don't tell me you're always busy, that's just an excuse, as everyone's got the same amount of time in a day to spend ) and try to be creative! Cooking really doesn't need to be hard! Spaghetti, for example, could be prepared quite easily. Or just baking some fresh meat in a pan (use olive oil, it's healthier than baking butter) with a side dish of a simple salad. Also: freshly prepared food tastes SO much better, you'd be surprised! But it requires a certain mentality, and as I said before, discipline and willingness to create some free time to experiment. Start out simple and gradually tone down the pre-prepared stuff, that's the way to go! Did I mention freshly prepared foodies also contain more vitamins? Sure they do! See, lots of benefits. Just try it out, it won't hurt you. Of course you might fail or burn something, that's fine, we all make mistakes. I'm still a noobie at cooking myself (my mom's food is just too good, argh). Start cooking and gradually turn this into a habit. Plan out what and when you're going to buy the ingredients you need. Combine this with some exercise now and then and you're on the right path!
@Kitteh_On_A_Cloud I totally agree, but if I don't have a meal plan on paper, I become lazy and just pick up whatever.
And that's the problem. Whenever you got some free time in the day, sit down for a while and think of what you would like to eat. Take some time to google some recipes. As I said earlier, such recipes don't have to be difficult. It really requires a change in mentality, tho. And that's why it's easy for alnair to 'convert' so many of you. Because, knowing there aren't many pre-prepared vegan/vegetarian dishes, and thus you'll have to prepare such dishes yourself, of course you'll get surprised such meals have a positive effect on your health and general taste experience. The truth really doesn't lie in veggie dishes, it lies in willingness to prepare fresh food yourself. It requires you to care about your body's health. Is it really surprising that health problems (such as lack of certain vitamins) start popping up when your regular meals consist of hamburgers and fries? There's nothing wrong with hamburgers, I'm fond of them myself, but too much is just too much. If you really want to eat and live healthy, you'll have to put some effort into it, I'm afraid. However, unlike certain people *cough*, I'm not going to judge anyone's life style here. I just find it a pity to see how many people here fall into the veggie trap while it's actually their eating habits which are the cause of the problem. I regularly eat meat myself (inbe4 holocaust murderer insults) and have never had any negative bodily experiences with it. The assumption that eating meat is unhealthy, just isn't true, and only is a point on the agenda of some with some extreme cause in mind.
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble.
Like I previously mentioned, I like fishing, so I'll open this metaphorical can of worms (by the way, worms aren't insects, but I can't wait for widely available insect-based food).
What do you think about the idea of feeding pets (omnivores and carnivores, obviously) with vegan food mixed with appropriate enzymes? From what I've seen this seems to be quite a popular thing nowadays and I still can't wrap my mind aroud this.
A little late, but this made me think of Futurama:
Leela: Animals eat other animals! It's nature! Free Waterfall Jr.: That's not true! We taught a lion to eat tofu. [The lion coughs.]
Well, I don't know, but I think that having friends trying to live solely on air is creepy and tells a lot about who you yourself are. Wouldn't want my children for example, to have such extremist friends. Only leads to trouble.
Hmm...
Yeah ok, bite me. Unless you're vegan. That would be contradictory too.
The reason homo sapiens survived so long is due to our adaptability. We outlasted neanderthals not because we were smarter or quicker, but because they were almost exclusively carnivores. Our ability to sustain ourselves on both flora and fauna is the very reason we outlasted so many other species.
Or at least this is the justification I use for eating people.
Comments
GRAAAAAIIIIIIINNNNSsS
Well, I hear there is no such thing as bad press.
From health's point of view, balance's, diet's, someone has to eat EVERYTHING, though, for normal growth and body function. Vegans disagree and with valid reasons/arguements, though, because many food types can replace meat, such as mushrooms (rich in protein, zero fat), or soya products (soya cheese, soya meat). Also, bee product consumption can replace banned food types, such as meat, and work like a diet supplement of exquisite quality, all at the same time...
Also, meat lovers, or the eat everything people, provide us with valid reasons, against excluding meat, or for eating it. Truth be said, meat lovers who exclude vegetables and fruit from their diet, are in a far worse and more wrong situation, than pure vegans, though. Because meat has toxins, and they cannot be processed well by the body, if you lack other sources of nutrition rich in vitamins, and plant/green fiber.
I myself try to eat a little bit off of everything. In right dosage, quantity and over carefully measured periods of time (never eat meat daily for example). I love greens, fruit and meat, all at the same time. About meat, i always try to eat meat low on fat, like white meat (chicken, tame rabbit, birds, fish...), from which our body benefits the most, and even athletes are advised to consume it regularly.
Finally, vegetarians can develop health issues if they are not careful enough, to consume products that substitute meat. They have to carefully research about nutrients, and which type of edible source contains those that they need the most. Like dried fruit, mushrooms, soya products and supplements, like natural bee products. Vegetarian, with proper research and responsible handling, is both GOOD, and EFFICIENT, for your body, its needs, and your SURVIVAL. Can work. And work pretty good. Is a matter of morals, ideology and personal choice, as far as i am concerned. I respect those who follow it, it is hard as hell, and full of risks and dangers if you do not know PRECISELY what it is that you 're doing. Only meat eaters is a no go. You ruin your health whatever you do, you die off at young age, this is not viable even if you research about it. And eating everything is what i do, what i would advice, the safest, and most usual, choice. No need to try hard. You will not be rewarded, you will not be special, if you never again, eat meat. Not even from a religious point of view. For me, the only acceptable reason to become a vegan, is detest against animal keeping and killing, for them to become our food. Anything else, i consider to be stupid and showoff; especially since it might put your health to dire risks.
The one awkward moment I had during college: One of my friends became a vegan my sophomore year. I asked her why vegans did not eat eggs, and she responded "because it is like killing a baby chicken".
Next week I see her outside the dorm rooms.... at a protest rally hosted by NARAL
Today she tried to feed me broccoli!
@Anduin help me! She made it into a sauce!
This is a true story
When I was young I had very curly hair (thanks to my Greek heritage). At one point my parents let it grow pretty long and my Godmother (non-fairy) came to visit. When she saw me she gave me the nickname of Cauliflower! She, her kids and her husband called me that for a long time actually, and still tell me that story. Now that I think of it, she probably blessed me in the eyes of TWO gods (Praise be to Ester)
What do you think about the idea of feeding pets (omnivores and carnivores, obviously) with vegan food mixed with appropriate enzymes? From what I've seen this seems to be quite a popular thing nowadays and I still can't wrap my mind aroud this.
Can we not meet in the middle for a cuddle?
Leela: Animals eat other animals! It's nature!
Free Waterfall Jr.: That's not true! We taught a lion to eat tofu. [The lion coughs.]
Or at least this is the justification I use for eating people.