Um.... So.... Yea. Sirens. Just I did that twice, So that's the end of the game:/ I'll keep playing, but minimum reload(on death only) and probably post here less. I wish I could have gone farther. Maybe another time, probably without logging it. This was fun, and having to actually write down the role playing really enhanced the whole experience, but it's also a lot of work and time, especially with all the photos I had to upload.
Hmmm... explosive necklace might have helped? I think berserker would have been easier, but I suppose you cant carry many throwing axes... what about daggers? You get decent rof, not great damage though. But being able to stack melee and ranged proficiencies could help, since the dag of venom kick serious ass imo.
@DreadKhan dagger still weigh 1, so I could never really have more than 10 at once. And i like my sling. It's very easy to get an enchanted version, and you get a dex thaco bounds from missile and a str damage bounus. I'm very fond of slings in general, the only reason(one of) my fighters don't use them is that all the good ones are taken by mages and clerics.
And I wasthrowing explodey potions. The things that got me where all rage related. I was safe, using my sling, until rage wore off it doesn't last very long, and timing was hard. I should have got a potion of speed so I could pick them off quicker, but I couldn't find one. Also, their kissed seem to cast rigid thinking, which isn't blocked by rage. (IS THIS A BUG?!) and there was nothing it could do abou that.
Huh, didnt notice daggers having weight... that might just be BG2 poison daggers, which arent meleeable. Well, Xzar and my warrior wouldnt have noticed the weight, so that might be why too. Playing with small stacking and daggers is an... experience. Yeah, that. :I
Slings are pretty awesome I agree... my cleric and c/t both offed Sarevok with them. Which MUST be embarassing in Hell...
Other Bhaalspawn "New guy, huh? You look pretty tough, what killed you? Dragon? Baalor? Angry mage?"
*Oops, it looks you triggered a weapons rant. Watch out.*
@DreadKhan well, I don't know about embarrassing. As I'm sure you're aware, these are not slingshots, but military slings. Back in the day, bullets where rocks or molded lead weighing up to a pound. They where fired in access of 100 miles a hour, and could punch a hole in a mans skull(assuming the bullets were small enough not to simply smash it to bits). And it's said a trained slinger could knock a bird out of the air, and they could fire around 500 yards, depending on the length of the sling and other factors. I think part of it is that in the story of David and Goliath, where David is generally portrayed as an underdog, he uses a sling. In fact, a being able to use a sling the way it was said he could would have been feared and respected. I can attest to the difficulty of slinging, from (admittedly limited)personal experience. I have a whole other rant about David and Goliath, but that doesn't really have any place here.
That rant aside, I used to be annoyed that daggers had so much weight, I mean, after all, they're just little knives, right? Until I thought about it, and had a day playing with throwing daggers. They have to be heavy, because you can't throw them hard. If you do, you miss, because you have to time the rotation so they stick. This is really, really, hard to do. If they weren't heavy they wouldn't have any force behind them, and wind would be a significant issue. Serious throwing daggers are also about a foot long, and they really do weigh around a pound, and them stacking to 40 is a little ridiculous. But, so is the inventory in general. You can Carry around 20 sets of chianmail if you strong enough, bodies, and not to mention thousands of arrows, bolts, and bullets with no weight at all. But that's every game ever.
Heh, I am fully aware a sling is not a slingshot. Don't worry! I think we had the discussion in another thread actually. The biggest things to remember about slings though is A) you look ridiculous until its actually released, so they always had a comical aspect they were favoured by shepherds, rarely used by 'serious professional militsry', and thus not taken seriously, C) bullet size was key. Bigger rocks were used to concuss or otherwise harm without gauranteeing potentially lethal injury, while small, dense bullets were meant to kill. The accuracy of slings is surprising actually. If you havent read The French Executioner, you might enjoy it; it features a prominent slinger in a Historical Fiction setting in medieval europe. Inspired me to run a Silver Sword using Jean Rambaud for a playthrough. Good memories.
Afaik, the only serious missile troops the Romans regularly employed were slingers, but I think these were usually armoured I think and carried shields.
Throwing weapons other than rocks, incendiaries/grenades and javellins (note, using a launcher or string both improve vastly a javellin's performance) werent very widespread. Throwing irons and fransica are exceptions, but very much associated with a specific culture... and the fransica was usually used via ricochet. Downright peculiar, and likely intense to learn. Throwing daggers are indeed not very practical irl, but Rool of Cool, you know! Heck, most people dont realize an actual dagger was bigger than almost any kitchen knife, and armour piercers were even heavier. Actually using a throwing dagger effectively is pretty difficult, and you generally wouldnt want to stab with one if you had a choice. Point heavy, and likely no guard is an uncomfortable weapon.
I still say Sarevok looses Hell Street Cred if he dies by sling, since Hell is populated by jerks.
A) @DreadKhan your thinking of the flipping it around over your head style, right? That's not really typical or effective. I don't even think about that anymore. Easier and more effective are doing that sideways, not swinging it around more than 3 times(never, ever, would you sling around more than three times, as far as I know. Unless maybe you have a VERY large long distance sling) or just simply flinging it over you're head like a baseball. There are other ways, but most of them are pretty similar to that.
B)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. All of that depends on the setting. That's a far to vague and broad statement to really mean anything at all. Yes they where used by shepherds. To kill hungry lions running at them. that's a pretty admirable skill.
C)I don't think I know enough to real refute or confirm that claim, but bullets small and dense enough to do that would be very hard to find, and probably have to be manufactures from lead.
All that aside, if you want to think that, I certainly can't stop you, and have no desire to. It's a game, and if that help you enjoy it, go for it.
@meagloth You realize it looks like you're trying to argue on the internet, right? Just making sure you noticed. You also arent doing a great job, but I'll address your concerns.
A) the only art I have seen of historical sling use that wasnt strictly modern was to use the sling more or less behind you, with your profile towards the opponent, and as mentioned, a heavy shield in front. Sling would indeed either be vertical slung, or diagonally, but not overhead. That wouldnt be practical in formation I suspect. It seemed a little awkward, but you'd be pretty safe. This was supposedly used by slingers from the Belaeric Isles, part of Spain now. The Romans used them as auxiliaries, but prefered them above almost all other auxiliaries.
oookkkaaayyy... feel free to offer evidence of significant professional military use of slings. Belaeric slingers were a fairly abberant military force, but I mentioned the Romans as the exception. When you disagree, its a tradition in good discussion to offer an explanation. Never said they COULDN'T be used by a military.
C) ballisitics is the issue. The larger the bullet, it recieves vastly more air resistance, and the faster it is flung, the more resistance... which is why a large rock would do significantly less damage. You could probably use sandstone or clay to limit penetration as well, since the bullet would be crushed or broken on impact. Never heard of anyone using sandstone bullets, but clay was definately used. Metal bullets could be used, but slings tend to be more prevelant in areas poor in metal (well, iron anyways). Lead, iron, very dense stone etc would be used where available and affordable. But the main issue is that the bullet must be small yet heavy enough to be relatively unaffected by air/wind, thus maintaining velocity, and it must be denser than what it strikes. This is why more modern armour piercing shells often fire a much smaller actual shell with a substantial casing, with the 'bullet' being made of an extremely dense metal, uranium or tungsten ie denser than heat-treated steel. Its actually pretty interesting stuff.
I'll put it this way about slings... if a cheap, sufficiently effective weapon requiring a not unreasonable level of training isnt commonly used by professional soldiers, does this not suggest a significant image problem? It does to me.
@Tresset : "Sirine's melee attack has special properties. This attack inflicts confusion which is blocked by rage, BUT it also inflicts a temporary feeblemind on the hit character which is NOT blocked by barbarian rage (it is blocked by berserker and Minsc rage though). The feeblemind causes you to loose control of your character, causes your character to do absolutely nothing, and lowers your character's int to 3."
Does it turn out berserker's rage is useless here too?
@Tresset : "Sirine's melee attack has special properties. This attack inflicts confusion which is blocked by rage, BUT it also inflicts a temporary feeblemind on the hit character which is NOT blocked by barbarian rage (it is blocked by berserker and Minsc rage though). The feeblemind causes you to loose control of your character, causes your character to do absolutely nothing, and lowers your character's int to 3."
Does it turn out berserker's rage is useless here too?
Thank you. That would have been REALLY great to know two weeks ago:/
sorry! this is just I quick update! I don't have much time. I'll get something better together tomorrow. Hopefully. So I cleared the sirens, eventually, now with no fear of death, and as many reloads as i want. I collected the treasure, triggered rage to boost my strength so I could carry it, and then ran to the edge of the map, far away fom the flesh golems. I made it to high hedge, triggered rage, and was able to boost my con by one point:). After that I killed tarnesh, who is actually harder than it sounds(he bring out the lightning bolts if It takes to long O_o) then I killed bealoth, stashed his loot, and traveled to peldvale.
I swear, the longest battle with a hobgoblin I've ever had. I just let the game sit for 5.
You could do my TOTALLY not lame strategy, use potion of freedom and invisibility, then set off all the webs. Fight away after its safe! Totally not lame. *looks sheepish*
You could do my TOTALLY not lame strategy, use potion of freedom and invisibility, then set off all the webs. Fight away after its safe! Totally not lame. *looks sheepish*
...but the description says rage protects against ALL HOLD effects.
Hmm... I can read that two ways, ie immune to Hold effects (ie the dpells Hold noun, or similar paralysis effects), or as you're reading it, ie acts as Freedom of Movement effect. I would fsvour the former, but I dont think your reading is incorrect; it's a valid interpretation.
You should try using a Halfling thief, their lowest roll possible is 6/9/10/6/2/3.
@CrevsDaak i took a fighter type cause I could get as low of a roll I did. Anything but all threes and a 9 would be beside the point. And the comment that started it all implied a fighter. If it was up to me I would play a sorcerer, but then assuming minimum roll I would have 3 strength. That would be... Bad. I would have robes and a dagger. Nothing else:P
Sorry I haven't been updating as much. It's been a lot quicker and less engaging new that I reload. I have made it to baldurs gate though, and invaded the 7 suns. Daveorns was a trip, with his battle horrors.
Battle horrors are disturbingly well named for BG1. They stalled my first playthrough I remember... mainly because my party was brutally underequiped, and run by some kind of moron...
Any tactical details of your run are interesting and entertaing. Are you going to take on the Ogre House?
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I did that twice, So that's the end of the game:/
I'll keep playing, but minimum reload(on death only) and probably post here less. I wish I could have gone farther. Maybe another time, probably without logging it. This was fun, and having to actually write down the role playing really enhanced the whole experience, but it's also a lot of work and time, especially with all the photos I had to upload.
Good run though! Too bad it ended a bit early!
And I wasthrowing explodey potions. The things that got me where all rage related. I was safe, using my sling, until rage wore off it doesn't last very long, and timing was hard. I should have got a potion of speed so I could pick them off quicker, but I couldn't find one. Also, their kissed seem to cast rigid thinking, which isn't blocked by rage. (IS THIS A BUG?!) and there was nothing it could do abou that.
Slings are pretty awesome I agree... my cleric and c/t both offed Sarevok with them. Which MUST be embarassing in Hell...
Other Bhaalspawn "New guy, huh? You look pretty tough, what killed you? Dragon? Baalor? Angry mage?"
Sarevok "I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT!"
@DreadKhan well, I don't know about embarrassing. As I'm sure you're aware, these are not slingshots, but military slings. Back in the day, bullets where rocks or molded lead weighing up to a pound. They where fired in access of 100 miles a hour, and could punch a hole in a mans skull(assuming the bullets were small enough not to simply smash it to bits). And it's said a trained slinger could knock a bird out of the air, and they could fire around 500 yards, depending on the length of the sling and other factors. I think part of it is that in the story of David and Goliath, where David is generally portrayed as an underdog, he uses a sling. In fact, a being able to use a sling the way it was said he could would have been feared and respected. I can attest to the difficulty of slinging, from (admittedly limited)personal experience. I have a whole other rant about David and Goliath, but that doesn't really have any place here.
That rant aside, I used to be annoyed that daggers had so much weight, I mean, after all, they're just little knives, right? Until I thought about it, and had a day playing with throwing daggers. They have to be heavy, because you can't throw them hard. If you do, you miss, because you have to time the rotation so they stick. This is really, really, hard to do. If they weren't heavy they wouldn't have any force behind them, and wind would be a significant issue. Serious throwing daggers are also about a foot long, and they really do weigh around a pound, and them stacking to 40 is a little ridiculous. But, so is the inventory in general. You can Carry around 20 sets of chianmail if you strong enough, bodies, and not to mention thousands of arrows, bolts, and bullets with no weight at all. But that's every game ever.
Afaik, the only serious missile troops the Romans regularly employed were slingers, but I think these were usually armoured I think and carried shields.
Throwing weapons other than rocks, incendiaries/grenades and javellins (note, using a launcher or string both improve vastly a javellin's performance) werent very widespread. Throwing irons and fransica are exceptions, but very much associated with a specific culture... and the fransica was usually used via ricochet. Downright peculiar, and likely intense to learn. Throwing daggers are indeed not very practical irl, but Rool of Cool, you know! Heck, most people dont realize an actual dagger was bigger than almost any kitchen knife, and armour piercers were even heavier. Actually using a throwing dagger effectively is pretty difficult, and you generally wouldnt want to stab with one if you had a choice. Point heavy, and likely no guard is an uncomfortable weapon.
I still say Sarevok looses Hell Street Cred if he dies by sling, since Hell is populated by jerks.
B)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No.
All of that depends on the setting. That's a far to vague and broad statement to really mean anything at all. Yes they where used by shepherds. To kill hungry lions running at them. that's a pretty admirable skill.
C)I don't think I know enough to real refute or confirm that claim, but bullets small and dense enough to do that would be very hard to find, and probably have to be manufactures from lead.
All that aside, if you want to think that, I certainly can't stop you, and have no desire to. It's a game, and if that help you enjoy it, go for it.
A) the only art I have seen of historical sling use that wasnt strictly modern was to use the sling more or less behind you, with your profile towards the opponent, and as mentioned, a heavy shield in front. Sling would indeed either be vertical slung, or diagonally, but not overhead. That wouldnt be practical in formation I suspect. It seemed a little awkward, but you'd be pretty safe. This was supposedly used by slingers from the Belaeric Isles, part of Spain now. The Romans used them as auxiliaries, but prefered them above almost all other auxiliaries.
C) ballisitics is the issue. The larger the bullet, it recieves vastly more air resistance, and the faster it is flung, the more resistance... which is why a large rock would do significantly less damage. You could probably use sandstone or clay to limit penetration as well, since the bullet would be crushed or broken on impact. Never heard of anyone using sandstone bullets, but clay was definately used. Metal bullets could be used, but slings tend to be more prevelant in areas poor in metal (well, iron anyways). Lead, iron, very dense stone etc would be used where available and affordable. But the main issue is that the bullet must be small yet heavy enough to be relatively unaffected by air/wind, thus maintaining velocity, and it must be denser than what it strikes. This is why more modern armour piercing shells often fire a much smaller actual shell with a substantial casing, with the 'bullet' being made of an extremely dense metal, uranium or tungsten ie denser than heat-treated steel. Its actually pretty interesting stuff.
I'll put it this way about slings... if a cheap, sufficiently effective weapon requiring a not unreasonable level of training isnt commonly used by professional soldiers, does this not suggest a significant image problem? It does to me.
Looking forward to some more of this run if it ever strikes your fancy!
@Tresset : "Sirine's melee attack has special properties. This attack inflicts confusion which is blocked by rage, BUT it also inflicts a temporary feeblemind on the hit character which is NOT blocked by barbarian rage (it is blocked by berserker and Minsc rage though). The feeblemind causes you to loose control of your character, causes your character to do absolutely nothing, and lowers your character's int to 3."
Does it turn out berserker's rage is useless here too?
So I cleared the sirens, eventually, now with no fear of death, and as many reloads as i want. I collected the treasure, triggered rage to boost my strength so I could carry it, and then ran to the edge of the map, far away fom the flesh golems. I made it to high hedge, triggered rage, and was able to boost my con by one point:). After that I killed tarnesh, who is actually harder than it sounds(he bring out the lightning bolts if It takes to long O_o) then I killed bealoth, stashed his loot, and traveled to peldvale.
I swear, the longest battle with a hobgoblin I've ever had. I just let the game sit for 5.
Oh, dear. To larswood!
Hold represents the effects from Ghast's touch or from the Hold Person spell.
Sorry I haven't been updating as much. It's been a lot quicker and less engaging new that I reload. I have made it to baldurs gate though, and invaded the 7 suns. Daveorns was a trip, with his battle horrors.
Any tactical details of your run are interesting and entertaing. Are you going to take on the Ogre House?