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  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    They are probably going to have to wait on those cuts until after next year's election. No one wants to cut grandparent's Social Security income while raising their Medicare costs before an election--one emotional ad showing a montage of a middle-aged couple enjoying success then retiring to a life of not being able to afford to turn on the heater in the winter and eating cans of Tender Vittles for dinner would go a long way.

    I wouldn't trust that survey but not because it might potentially be click-bait. No, my concern is that if you select "other" that it will flag your IP address onto a list so that an analyst can be assigned to figure out just who the heck you are and why you are hating on the President so much. That is like your phone ringing and the person identifying themselves as being a Gallup pollster who would like to ask you some questions. The most pertinent question is, "how do you *know* they are from Gallup?".

    Claiming that the President cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer is like saying that your local town's police chief cannot violate city ordinances because she is the police chief. During the summer you might not be able to water your lawn between 8am and 8pm but *she* certainly may and your kids can't pop firecrackers in the city limits but her kids may. *bzzt* No, I am sorry, Mr. Dowd, but that answer is incorrect . Thank you for playing and we have some wonderful parting gifts for you.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited December 2017
    Yep, it's that time of year again, where conservatives convince themsleves that the most omnipresent holiday in our culture is under assault:

    Indeed, I remember the horror of the Obama years, where Bing Crosby records and wreaths were burned in large bonfires, and people were hauled out of grocery stores in chains for saying "Merry Christmas" to the cashier.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    edited December 2017
    CamDawg said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Looks like click-bait to me. I call bullshit on this being real...

    You know, I spent five seconds Googling this. Top result:

    https://gop.com/survey/rate-trump-job-performance/

    Perhaps, in the future, we could all spend a little time doing research instead of refusing to examine our own biases.
    I just went to that website and there is another poll further down on the page where you can rate the President's performance. That one actually allows you to choose 'Poor' (which is what I chose, hopefully it doesn't put me on some kind of watch list). I have no idea why they would need two polls about the President's performance. Seems odd to me. I didn't answer the other poll.

    Edit:

    Ok, I filled out the survey that @smeagolheart referenced and it does indeed look exactly like he described. After I took the survey, said he was doing a poor job and explained that I thought his constant tweeting was unprofessional and unpresidential, I pushed the send button and was taken to a donation page. There was no mention there of Trump being poor and needing my money.

    I hope you're all happy. I'm probably on some Red list now and will be soon sent to Guantanamo for reprogramming...
  • AmmarAmmar Member Posts: 1,297
    Balrog99 said:

    CamDawg said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Looks like click-bait to me. I call bullshit on this being real...

    You know, I spent five seconds Googling this. Top result:

    https://gop.com/survey/rate-trump-job-performance/

    Perhaps, in the future, we could all spend a little time doing research instead of refusing to examine our own biases.
    I just went to that website and there is another poll further down on the page where you can rate the President's performance. That one actually allows you to choose 'Poor' (which is what I chose, hopefully it doesn't put me on some kind of watch list). I have no idea why they would need two polls about the President's performance. Seems odd to me. I didn't answer the other poll.

    Edit:

    Ok, I filled out the survey that @smeagolheart referenced and it does indeed look exactly like he described. After I took the survey, said he was doing a poor job and explained that I thought his constant tweeting was unprofessional and unpresidential, I pushed the send button and was taken to a donation page. There was no mention there of Trump being poor and needing my money.

    I hope you're all happy. I'm probably on some Red list now and will be soon sent to Guantanamo for reprogramming...
    It seems like they five you a last warning call before reprogamming.

    https://www.google.de/amp/s/gizmodo.com/people-are-getting-robocalls-about-their-derogatory-t-1820819203/amp

    So do not worry....

    Disclaimer, I did not check if this is legit or who is behind it. Just seemed funny in this context.
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,768
    Ammar said:

    Balrog99 said:

    CamDawg said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Looks like click-bait to me. I call bullshit on this being real...

    You know, I spent five seconds Googling this. Top result:

    https://gop.com/survey/rate-trump-job-performance/

    Perhaps, in the future, we could all spend a little time doing research instead of refusing to examine our own biases.
    I just went to that website and there is another poll further down on the page where you can rate the President's performance. That one actually allows you to choose 'Poor' (which is what I chose, hopefully it doesn't put me on some kind of watch list). I have no idea why they would need two polls about the President's performance. Seems odd to me. I didn't answer the other poll.

    Edit:

    Ok, I filled out the survey that @smeagolheart referenced and it does indeed look exactly like he described. After I took the survey, said he was doing a poor job and explained that I thought his constant tweeting was unprofessional and unpresidential, I pushed the send button and was taken to a donation page. There was no mention there of Trump being poor and needing my money.

    I hope you're all happy. I'm probably on some Red list now and will be soon sent to Guantanamo for reprogramming...
    It seems like they five you a last warning call before reprogamming.

    https://www.google.de/amp/s/gizmodo.com/people-are-getting-robocalls-about-their-derogatory-t-1820819203/amp

    So do not worry....

    Disclaimer, I did not check if this is legit or who is behind it. Just seemed funny in this context.
    It's a prank site. To send one, you have to be on the line, so it's not really a robocall either.
    https://www.snopes.com/trump-threatening-robocalls/
  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,439
    Balrog99 said:

    I hope you're all happy. I'm probably on some Red list now and will be soon sent to Guantanamo for reprogramming...

    Don't be silly. Reprogramming is done at a FEMA camp in Texas.

    Seriously, though, stick around. You're one of the more interesting posters in the thread.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    edited December 2017
    CamDawg said:

    Balrog99 said:

    I hope you're all happy. I'm probably on some Red list now and will be soon sent to Guantanamo for reprogramming...

    Don't be silly. Reprogramming is done at a FEMA camp in Texas.

    Seriously, though, stick around. You're one of the more interesting posters in the thread.
    Thanks but I'll probably be far less interesting after the reprogramming session. Resistance is futile...

    Wait, I think I'm under some kind of sonic attack!

    ÷$=",;;\());%=___£€!!!!!

    Sorry,

    Please disregard any of my former posts in which I may have denegraded our current president.

    Trump is great! America is great! Orange is my favorite color! Fox News is totally fair and balanced!
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    CamDawg said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Don't be silly. Reprogramming is done at a FEMA camp in Texas.
    It is located about halfway between Alpine and Terlingua, so almost literally in the middle of nowhere. In fact, they don't need guards because it is so far out in the middle of nowhere that you don't *want* to escape. Even if you survive the first day without food or water you might not survive the snakes or coyotes that night.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    I think that survey is totally legit and worded in a way to protect the president's fragile ego - or give him something to brag about and spin the results "95 percent gave me a positive review!" when the other option is not a negative review it's "other"

    Not shocking that it's a scam to try and get recurring $2500 donations out of you. To be fair, I've seen similar things on Dem sites, "fill out this petition!" then if you fill it out and it goes to a donation page next.

    Money has totally corrupted the US government.

    I can't promise that he won't reprisal against you though if you write something bad, he is thin skinned and a wanna-be dictator.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited December 2017
    I was under the impression that one of the main things Trump supporters liked about him during the campaign was that he (supposedly) was a billionaire who could finance his own campaign and political activity. Guess that one went down the memory hole as well......

    Of course, I've never believed he is as rich as he says he is, which at least part of the reason (besides the obvious) that he won't release his taxes.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371

    I was under the impression that one of the main things Trump supporters liked about him during the campaign was that he (supposedly) was a billionaire who could finance his own campaign and political activity. Guess that one went down the memory hole as well......

    To be fair, donating to the GOP doesn't mean the money is going to Trump. The Republican Party has many elected officials that would presumably also use that money to fund their elections. Just saying...
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Balrog99 said:

    I was under the impression that one of the main things Trump supporters liked about him during the campaign was that he (supposedly) was a billionaire who could finance his own campaign and political activity. Guess that one went down the memory hole as well......

    To be fair, donating to the GOP doesn't mean the money is going to Trump. The Republican Party has many elected officials that would presumably also use that money to fund their elections. Just saying...
    I was just using it to get a shot in about his finances. I just don't believe a actual billionaire would waste his time with a scam "university" or peddle frozen steaks. If we ever got a good look at his taxes, we'd find he has just been grifting from scam to scam for decades. I still think the fact that he (as a matter of practice) would stiff construction contractors for work on his buildings because he knew they couldn't afford to battle with him legally is one of the worst things about him. Well......top 20 anyway.....
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,669
    I see absolutely no evidence of Trump being "a would be dictator".

    Being too white is a serious offense in the U.K and if your corporate board fails to bow to the creed of diversity you will be dragged before the council of wrongthink to justify your actions. More pushing for anti white discrimination from the left, and certainly not the first example to come from the U.K. Im looking at you, BBC.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/12/ftse-100-firms-deadline-ethnic-minority-directors
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    I see absolutely no evidence of Trump being "a would be dictator".

    Being too white is a serious offense in the U.K and if your corporate board fails to bow to the creed of diversity you will be dragged before the council of wrongthink to justify your actions. More pushing for anti white discrimination from the left, and certainly not the first example to come from the U.K. Im looking at you, BBC.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/12/ftse-100-firms-deadline-ethnic-minority-directors

    Well, this article says that ethnic minorities make up 14% of the British population but only account for 2% of the director positions in question. What would you say accounts for that discrepancy in hiring?? Unless the argument is that they are inherently inferior.
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,669
    edited December 2017
    I would say any inequality of outcome that exists in a free society shouldn't be assumed to have occured as a result of any form of oppression or unfairness. In a free society inequalities naturally arise and we see them every day.

    The whole equality of outcome vs. equality of opportunity is a fundamental dividing line is conservative vs. liberal thinking.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    I would say any inequality of outcome that exists in a free society shouldn't be assumed to have occured as a result of any form of oppression or unfairness. In a free society inequalities naturally arise and we see them every day.

    The whole equality of outcome vs. equality of opportunity is a fundamental dividing line is conservative vs. liberal thinking.

    These numbers showing a 12% difference in the amount of ethnic minorities vs. hiring for these powerful positions suggest unfairness. A 3% difference would suggest equality of opportunity, not 12%.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964

    I see absolutely no evidence of Trump being "a would be dictator".

    There are plenty of signs there if you open your eyes. Here's just a few off the top of my head.

    His disdain for the rule of law is a current one. He is complaining about his own FBI and Justice Department. Why? He's said it before but again his lawyer today is saying he's above the law and can't obstruct justice. Well he can obstruct justice, his lawyer just says he can't be charged for it. That doesn't strike you as a dictatory type of thing?

    His attacks on the free press. He only supports one news organization. You know who else only allows one news outlet? Dictatorships. China and other countries have a state run media. Why is Trump trying to destroy every outlet except Fox and Breitbart? He's repeatedly attacked journalists and journalism and has pressed his supporters to attack them during rallies. Literally.

    How's his governing going? Has the "great dealmaker" gotten a lot of bipartisan stuff going on? Has he even attempted anything at all with bipartisan support? No, everything has been unilateral.

    Why's that Democrats don't want to support a handwritten tax bill at 2am in the morning? Why are they pushing it so hard with no hearings and Trump cheering them on. Why's trump saying stuff like make everything majority rules. You know who else only wants to allow one party to dictate national policy? Dictatorships.
  • joluvjoluv Member Posts: 2,137
    Balrog99 said:

    To be fair, donating to the GOP doesn't mean the money is going to Trump. The Republican Party has many elected officials that would presumably also use that money to fund their elections. Just saying...

    That is true. From CNN:
    The Republican National Committee is following Trump's lead and will re-engage in the [Alabama Senate] race, Breitbart News reported Monday evening. A senior RNC official told CNN, "The RNC is the political arm of the President and we support the President."
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    The RNC, despite claiming so, never actually pulled out of the Roy Moore Senate race. They hunkered down for two weeks, and now they are gearing up the operation again. Even in 2017. the year of male perverts being exposed left and right from Hollywood to Washington, there is nothing quite like the ruling political party and the President of the United States going full-throttle in their support of a man who is almost certainly a serial child predator.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371

    The RNC, despite claiming so, never actually pulled out of the Roy Moore Senate race. They hunkered down for two weeks, and now they are gearing up the operation again. Even in 2017. the year of male perverts being exposed left and right from Hollywood to Washington, there is nothing quite like the ruling political party and the President of the United States going full-throttle in their support of a man who is almost certainly a serial child predator.

    They really have no choice. The high ground could cost them the Senate and derail everything they're trying to accomplish. Necessity makes strange bedfellows. I seriously doubt the Democrats would be any different if the situation was reversed. Don't talk to me about Pelosi throwing Conyers under the bus either. He's irrelevant in the current situation so it's easy for the DNC to take the 'moral' stance. If they were one seat away from control of the house we'd be hearing all about what a great guy Conyers is and how unfair the accusations are...
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,459

    I see absolutely no evidence of Trump being "a would be dictator".

    Being too white is a serious offense in the U.K and if your corporate board fails to bow to the creed of diversity you will be dragged before the council of wrongthink to justify your actions. More pushing for anti white discrimination from the left, and certainly not the first example to come from the U.K. Im looking at you, BBC.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/12/ftse-100-firms-deadline-ethnic-minority-directors

    Describing a desire to address such a huge current disparity as anti-white discrimination seems a distinctly odd perspective to me. The FTSE is inherently a competition - only the most successful companies survive in it. Therefore I don't think suggesting that they are supporting absolute equality rather than equality of opportunity is reasonable. The basis for the voluntary targets is the belief that companies with more diverse governance perform better - both due to having a better range of ideas and being better able to meet the needs of customers.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Even without the pedophilia Roy Moore is a dirtbag. He's been fired twice from the Alabama Supreme Court. He just doesn't believe in the Constitution. The laws of the United States are inconvenient. This is the guy that Alabama WILL elect to the Senate. Why will they? Well there are a lot of voters that are brainwashed and also because there will be some funny business by the GOP in charge of the election - just like there was in Georgia. They are in too deep, they've sold their souls, they can't back down now - they need his vote for the next tax cuts, Democrats ARE THE ENEMY and besides their power and jobs are at stake so no by hook or by crook they won't lose the election and the people will go along with it.

    Why does a guy like Moore seek women so much younger than himself? It's because he's deeply insecure. The woman he's married to is 14 yrs younger than he is. He found one that believes his stuff that makes it seem like he is never wrong and she won't talk back. He found one. But when he was younger he did a lot of searching for the right kid.

    What kind of man tries to marry a women so much younger than himself? Marrying a younger trophy wife is one thing but I believe Roy Moore (and Trump) are something different. These guys seek younger women, sometimes foreign women, and children because they can dominate them. Dominate them how? Mentally, physically, emotionally. Guys like this seek a young woman/child that they can tell them what's what and they will accept it. They are impotent when facing an equal, they can't handle it. Sounds a lot like Trump he can't handle the slightest criticism from a woman, doesn't it.

    Moore is the type of guy that was in his 30s that sought 14-16 year olds who were still chewing bubblegum and doing their math homework.

    But besides all that he doesn't care about the rule of law. He's after only power for himself, over other people. His warped interpretation of the bible makes it so he's the god himself in his little domain the king of the castle. "And the Lord said women should listen to their husbands" is probably something he's interpreted in there.

    And Alabama is like yeah! You tell us what to do Roy Moore, this is the guy we want!
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited December 2017
    Gee another dictator type thing from Trump. He wants his own private intelligence agency operating outside the rest of the government to be used against political enemies and people he does not like.
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    edited December 2017
    I don't think Trump is the one devising the private intelligence contractor network; instead, all that nonsense is being pushed by people like Erik Prince. It is not a coincidence that the article @BelleSorciere notes states that Prince views Oliver North as one of his heroes and a person whom he admires--Trump reveres Reagan and, like his predecessor, is allowing a situation to develop where out-of-control intelligence operatives will engage in all sorts of questionable activities while they give the President "plausible deniability" because he won't know what the hell they are doing.

    The most disturbing paragraph in that article is this one:
    Amyntor employees took potential donors to a suite in the Trump Hotel in Washington, which they claimed was set up to conduct “secure communications.” Some White House staff and Trump campaign supporters came to refer to the suite as “the tinfoil room,” according to one person who visited the suite. This account was confirmed by another source to whom the room was described. “John [Maguire] was certain that the deep state was going to kick the president out of office within a year,” said a person who discussed it with Maguire. “These guys said they were protecting the president.”
    Maguire currently works for Amyntor (that intelligence company based in Whitefish, MT), previously worked for the Trump campaign, used to work for Prince's other intelligence corporation, Frontier Services Group, which the aticle states is partially owned by the Chinese government--wait, *what*?! He also helped plan the invastion of Iraq in 2003 and--hold onto your horses--"spent more than two decades as a paramilitary officer at the CIA, including tours in Central America working with the Contras". That last part is a direct quote from the article. What it means is that he used to work with CIA death squads in Cental America--he was a stereotypical black ops hit man.

    Distilled to its essence, these people are looking for the President's enemies inside the country and inside our nation's own intelligence organizations. I cannot stress this strongly enough--that is DANGEROUS,
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    I don't think Trump is the one devising the private intelligence contractor network; instead, all that nonsense is being pushed by people like Erik Prince. It is not a coincidence that the article @BelleSorciere notes states that Prince views Oliver North as one of his heroes and a person whom he admires--Trump reveres Reagan and, like his predecessor, is allowing a situation to develop where out-of-control intelligence operatives will engage in all sorts of questionable activities while they give the President "plausible deniability" because he won't know what the hell they are doing.

    The most disturbing paragraph in that article is this one:

    Amyntor employees took potential donors to a suite in the Trump Hotel in Washington, which they claimed was set up to conduct “secure communications.” Some White House staff and Trump campaign supporters came to refer to the suite as “the tinfoil room,” according to one person who visited the suite. This account was confirmed by another source to whom the room was described. “John [Maguire] was certain that the deep state was going to kick the president out of office within a year,” said a person who discussed it with Maguire. “These guys said they were protecting the president.”
    Maguire currently works for Amyntor (that intelligence company based in Whitefish, MT), previously worked for the Trump campaign, used to work for Prince's other intelligence corporation, Frontier Services Group, which the aticle states is partially owned by the Chinese government--wait, *what*?! He also helped plan the invastion of Iraq in 2003 and--hold onto your horses--"spent more than two decades as a paramilitary officer at the CIA, including tours in Central America working with the Contras". That last part is a direct quote from the article. What it means is that he used to work with CIA death squads in Cental America--he was a stereotypical black ops hit man.

    Distilled to its essence, these people are looking for the President's enemies inside the country and inside our nation's own intelligence organizations. I cannot stress this strongly enough--that is DANGEROUS,

    Erik Prince is extremely dangerous, and has been on the radar of vociferous Iraq War opponents since 2004. His involvement in the Administration at any level is worrisome. Not surprisingly, Prince held a meeting with a Russian banker tied to Putin in the Seychelles during the campaign. His sister is now Secretary of Education.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    The JCT has long been praised by the GOP as a reliable source when it comes to tax data. The JCT's analysis concludes that yes, this new bill is going to disproportionately funnel money towards the wealthy, and the middle class and poor will gain very little compared to the richest Americans.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    The JCT has long been praised by the GOP as a reliable source when it comes to tax data. The JCT's analysis concludes that yes, this new bill is going to disproportionately funnel money towards the wealthy, and the middle class and poor will gain very little compared to the richest Americans.

    The fact there is any % increase at all on any group under $100,000 is absurd. Please keep in mind this is for 2019. Every year for the next decade, middle-class deductions are being phased out, and every year, that chart is going to look worse.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited December 2017
    2019.

    I wonder why the GOP is hiding the major tax increases until after 2018 elections. Perhaps they are counting on hosing people over AFTER they secure their votes and get power for another couple years.

    They are counting on voter ignorance
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