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  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,768
    I think we're starting to cast the next Expendables movie.
  • wubblewubble Member Posts: 3,156

    Expendables 3: The Special Relationship...
    -Roided George Washington (played by Vin Diesel)
    -Richard Sharpe (played by Sean Bean) and
    -Chuck Norris (played by Chuck Norris without Mike Huckabee)
    form a Transatlatntic team of misfits that protect the US, UK and Canada from the evil team up of
    -Putin (played by Mark Strong)
    -Kim Jong-un (played by Jackie Chan because Hollywood) and
    -Bashar al-Assad (also played by Mark Strong... because no one else can do it as well)

    I want this!
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    This took an interesting turn
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    This debate is such a clown show. Clinton refuses to answer any real questions.
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    Debates tell us nothing other than how a candidate comports themselves on television. If you want to know about a candidate then go to Project Vote Smart to look up their positions and voting record for yourself.
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520

    This debate is such a clown show. Clinton refuses to answer any real questions.

    That's because not answering questions is what Hillary does best.

    "How will your office as president be different from Obama's?"

    "Well, for one, I'm a woman! That's a pretty big difference!"

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    (I did not expect to find an Obama meme being used with that phrase. I chuckled.)
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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    I find that I pretty much don't even watch leaders debates or attend all candidates meetings (for local members of parliament) anymore. The debates rarely get good answers from politicians and I find that the all candidates meetings just get stacked by people who likely don't even live in the riding (who then heckle/distrupt people when they are talking). So now I just try to find out everything I can about my choices, including their past voting record or interviews, and then vote accordingly.
  • wubblewubble Member Posts: 3,156
    I just vote for the party I dislike least.
  • iKrivetkoiKrivetko Member Posts: 934
    Trevor is a top bloke.
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    I watch all the debates. I find them more entertaining than informative, but I still think they are useful. They are some of the few times a candidate can be attacked on the issues or on personal trustworthiness and have a chance to respond... unless it is Hillary Clinton who can just say "no" and get cheered.

    Sanders has so far not been attacked by the Clinton campaign, but if Biden enters the race it will split Hillary voters and then Sanders will be seen as more of a threat. My theory is when O'Malley eventually decides to drop out, he will stay in with the understanding that he will be the one attacking Sanders so Hillary doesn't have to and then be rewarded with the vice presidency.

    Sanders and Webb both made a good faith effort to answer every questions. I think Sanders is a complete demagogue who's economic policies are utter nonsense, but I really do admire his sincerity and fearlessness. He's incredibly honest for a politician (you wouldn't say so many whacky things if you weren't honest) and is the only candidate with any outside chance (albeit minuscule) of winning that actually stands on principle.

    Lincoln Chafee was incredibly disappointing, especially since he was one of the only candidates with a real anti-war record that would be able to challenge the establishment foreign policy position. Unofrtunately, all he did was bumble.

    Sanders and Clinton both did well, and O'Malley did too. O'Malley would fair best against any Republican, I think, but Clinton is still the presumptive winner unless Creepy Uncle Joe enters the race. It would certainly piss off Hillary as it would divide the center-left vote.

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  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    elminster said:

    So now I just try to find out everything I can about my choices, including their past voting record or interviews, and then vote accordingly.

    Did you see the link I posted above?

  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811

    elminster said:

    So now I just try to find out everything I can about my choices, including their past voting record or interviews, and then vote accordingly.

    Did you see the link I posted above?

    Elmo is Canadian, the link while informative, doesnt help a poor bloke from Toronto.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    ^What deltago posted above. Canada is in nearing the end of a federal election campaign. :)
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    edited October 2015

    Sanders and Webb both made a good faith effort to answer every questions. I think Sanders is a complete demagogue who's economic policies are utter nonsense, but I really do admire his sincerity and fearlessness. He's incredibly honest for a politician (you wouldn't say so many whacky things if you weren't honest) and is the only candidate with any outside chance (albeit minuscule) of winning that actually stands on principle.

    Sanders answered every question with the same "INCOME INEQUALITY NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS" over and over and over again. Also with "I BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE X." He didn't talk about himself, or what he plans to do about said income inequality. Just that it's a problem that needs to be dealt with.

    I'm sorry, but if you're gonna be president of the U.S., you have to give me more than that.

    Sanders and Clinton both did well, and O'Malley did too. O'Malley would fair best against any Republican, I think, but Clinton is still the presumptive winner unless Creepy Uncle Joe enters the race. It would certainly piss off Hillary as it would divide the center-left vote.

    I really don't think Joe's gonna run. I really don't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwmMPytjrK4

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    I liked O'Malley the most. Maybe it's because he's the underdog of this race since people can't shut up about Sanders and Clinton, but he was also incredibly frank about his experiences as mayor of Baltimore. He almost came to tears talking about it during the section on gun control, and he got super heated with Sanders' position on the issue. (Seriously, does no one remember them arguing back and forth?) Not only that, but he's chimed in on a lot of the questions saying "Hey! I've done that! I know it works!" Unlike Sanders who just kept babbling what people wanted to hear without a plan.

    I was never a big Hillary supporter, but my god, she kept pulling the stupid gender card over and over again at the worst possible times. Yes, we know you're a woman. We all have eyes and ears. Anything else? She should have saved talking about her gender until the maternity leave question, because in that instance, her gender was actually relevant to the discussion.

    I did love how she responded about her email scandal and how Sanders and O'Malley jumped on board and supported her; that was hilarious.

    Edit: Oh, but the BEST part was when we were interrupted by an amber alert as soon as Sanders had to answer the Black Lives Matter question. We missed that entire section because of it. Oh the irony. XD
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164



    I was never a big Hillary supporter, but my god, she kept pulling the stupid gender card over and over again at the worst possible times.

    "I have a vagina! Cheer for me peasants"


    I did love how she responded about her email scandal and how Sanders and O'Malley jumped on board and supported her; that was hilarious.

    That was the absolute worst part. It is very much a legitimate issue (even Obama agrees). It is ridiculous how she just talked over Anderson Cooper and refused to even give a straight answer

    I partially blame the Republicans for going too hard on politicizing the Benghazi attack. They made too big of a deal about it and used it to smear the opposition to the point where now any problem raised about Hillary Clinton's personal record can now be dismissed as being overly-politicized.
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    deltago said:


    Elmo is Canadian, the link while informative, doesnt help a poor bloke from Toronto.

    Ah so. I don't know where anyone on this board lives, other than myself. I am not as "connected" here as I am elsewhere.

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  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806

    Sanders and Webb both made a good faith effort to answer every questions. I think Sanders is a complete demagogue who's economic policies are utter nonsense, but I really do admire his sincerity and fearlessness. He's incredibly honest for a politician (you wouldn't say so many whacky things if you weren't honest) and is the only candidate with any outside chance (albeit minuscule) of winning that actually stands on principle.

    Sanders answered every question with the same "INCOME INEQUALITY NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS" over and over and over again. Also with "I BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE X." He didn't talk about himself, or what he plans to do about said income inequality. Just that it's a problem that needs to be dealt with.

    I'm sorry, but if you're gonna be president of the U.S., you have to give me more than that.

    Sanders and Clinton both did well, and O'Malley did too. O'Malley would fair best against any Republican, I think, but Clinton is still the presumptive winner unless Creepy Uncle Joe enters the race. It would certainly piss off Hillary as it would divide the center-left vote.

    I really don't think Joe's gonna run. I really don't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwmMPytjrK4

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    It's the nature of the presidency that anyone who activly seeks it out would be less than ideal for it, and it's because of this that I think Biden is such a good candidate. His(apparent, at least. He's still a politician) honesty around whether or not he's going to run has almost completely sold me on him.
    But I could never, in good conscious, make the poor man run for president. Just look at him. Look how sad he is. Would you really make him do that?

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    In theory Hillary is the least-worst candidate. She's the only (let's be honest here) democrats that really has a chance of winning anything, and the Republican Party appears to be drowning in a mass of its own sh*t. Even if there's a reasonable candidate down there no ones going to be able to find him hidden at the bottom of Donald trumps toupee.
    But I'm not sure america is ready for Hillary. I know we just got a black president, but this is a whole other step in civil rights. The world is changing fast, but I'm not sure it's able to take a robot president yet. It just seems like a stretch.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Canada is about to elect a puppet to run the country... I'd take a robot over that.
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    deltago said:

    Canada is about to elect a puppet to run the country... I'd take a robot over that.

    Yeah I saw John Oliver's thing on Canada's election this morning. @elminster
    I wasn't sure what to make of that.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    I liked that he made fun of all the party leaders and bizarre candidates and pointed out the lack of US media coverage. But to be honest I didn't think it was one of his stronger videos.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    deltago said:

    Canada is about to elect a puppet to run the country... I'd take a robot over that.

    Now we will see if he carries on with his promises. Particularly marijuana legalization. Also I imagine he'll have the TPP approved as well.
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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    The liberals/conservatives like the status quo. Its what has kept Canada (on a practical level) a 2 party state.
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  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    elminster said:

    The liberals/conservatives like the status quo. Its what has kept Canada (on a practical level) a 2 party state.

    Actually we usually do a 3 party.

    Liberals and Conservatives flip the ruling house, but if one corrupts enough, or screws up enough, a third party will take over as minority leader. But it is usually, roughly a 60/30/10 split.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited October 2015
    On a practical level its been the conservatives and the liberals leading for 158 years.
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