As many dwarfs as possible. If it can be a dwarf it will be a dwarf. Sadly the bard cant be a dwarf as dwarfs lack the ability to sing, play instruments and tell stories, they tried for generations to learn it but alas it did not work and they went back to mining ore.
DD- dwarf cleric -dwarf swash or f/t - dwarf bard - non dwarf. sorc/wildmage/mage whatever works - something short. barbarian- dwarf
All dwarfs will be evil and are keeping the others as slaves. When the adventure is over its going to be cloakwood mines 2.0
@BelgarathMTH Elan will probably be far too effective unless you gimp him. A suggestion: Limit him to Illusion spells Str 10 Dex 14 Con 11 Int 9 Wis 13 Cha 18
I'll have to edit the race to Gnome. Which reminds me… @Troodon80 , is there any word on EEKeeper's potential compatibility with IWDEE?
As for the Dwarven Defender, I was on the fence, but I think you've swayed me. The Elf may need changing to Ranger/Cleric to pump up the Divine. Screw it. Lawful Neutral Dwarven Defender it is He'll probably get my usual name for Dwarves: Stonebeard
Wish me luck, then, because my first run is going to have just a single Druid for divine shenanigans. Luckily, the hippy buggers level up pretty fast.
I'm sorry for @Troodon80 in every thread now people ask him about it, @Schneidend just go read what he said in the EE keeper thread basically he need to actually have the game so he can see what he can do so for now not yet.
@Jackjack, I already limit Elan like that in my BG run. Elan casting a magic missile or fireball just doesn't seem like Elan. So I don't let him use wands, scrolls, or crossbows, and the only spells he memorizes are identify and detect invisibility. I might let him use mirror image and eventually mislead. He does sometimes create effective illusions, as you say. Charm person and related spells seem to fit him, and confusion and chaos fit his jester theme. I may let him use other magical defenses like stoneskin, and Tenser's transformation, so he can get into combat and simulate his dashing swordsman thing. He gets at least somewhat effective in melee combat as his character progresses in the comic..
I'm torn about whether to keep him a jester in IWD:EE, since trueclass bards are so awesome in IWD. Maybe too awesome for Elan, I don't know. Of course, the OotS always fights with some pretty good 3rd edition bard bonuses in the comic, they just don't acknowledge that what Elan is doing is helpful, at least early on.
@BelgarathMTH I'd say to definitely go vanilla Bard. As Elan becomes a daring swashbuckler, he definitely becomes less Jester-appropriate. I mean, hell, he does more damage by narrating his attacks. If any kit, ability-wise, he'd be a Skald.
@Schneidend, I thought about that, ability wise, but the roleplaying personality of a skald doesn't fit. I'm pretty sure I'll go with either vanilla bard or jester. EDIT: Then again, now you've got me thinking...
Go vanilla Bard, that's what he is. Of course, he's making use of 3E customizing, but he's basically a standard Bard. Also, his songs are super effective and oft-used, so I don't see a problem in him having access to a song progression
Here's an idea for a theme party I haven't seen yet:
IWD Game of Thrones theme party:
Jon Snow - human ranger Ygritte - half-orc or human barbarian Jamie Lannister - human swashbuckler or fighter-thief Brienne of Tarth - human paladin Tyrion Lannister - halfling or dwarf bard Daenerys Targaryen - half-elf cleric-mage
It's a bit hard to roleplay how these six would come to be working together. Maybe Jamie, Brienne, and Tyrion are on the run from Tywin and Cersei for some reason, and forced to work together with the others. Jon and Ygritte could be on the run from her tribemates and his Night's Watch brethren who disapprove their relationship. Daenerys could be trying to save the world she wants to rule from the crisis in the game, and also interested in keeping some control over two Lannisters and a former member of House Stark.
I don't think you should make Jamie Lannister a swashbuckler - he is to good a swordsman. The only thiefy thing he is known for is his backstab, which swashbucklers don't get. I would make Tyrion your thief, possibly Bounty Hunter, I reckon he could cobble together a few traps. Daenerys is obliviously a Red Dragon Disciple. Immunity to fire and everything.
I'm planning to do my first run with Rich Burlew's Order of the Stick:
1) Roy Greenhilt, human fighter, two-handed swords and two-handed style 2) Durkon Thundershield, dwarf cleric, hammer and flail 3) Belkar Bitterleaf - halfling ranger>barbarian, dual wielding daggers 4) Haley Starshine - human fighter-thief (probably via Tweaks), longbow specialist and shortsword 5) Elan - human bard 6) Vaarsuvius - elf mage (I need to figure out the differences in IWD for specialists. I made V a conjurer in my BG OotS run, but that might not be the best in IWD.)
Haley is definitely a pure rogue, no fighter levels; just lots of pew pew.
In 2e terms if anything a Elan starts as a pure bard and ends as a blade.
V is an evoker with conjuration and necromancy banned.
Multi Ranger/Barbarian sounds fine for Belkar if you can keeper it.
Well, I just figured the group needs a cleric and a thief, and both of those are hard to come by in Game of Thrones. Tyrion could definitely be a thief, but if you make Dany an RDD, you're out a cleric. Maybe replace one of the slots with Katelyn Stark? She's the only really religious main character I can think of, among the good and neutral characters.
Game of Thrones Team Evil has an obvious choice for cleric, but not good that I can see.
Oh, we want to talk themed parties, do we?... (obviously this group was created with BG1&2 in mind, but I didn't feel like trying to edit anything from the thread where I originally posted this.
Jason: Red Power Ranger Class: Fighter Race: Half-orc Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Longsword ** Single Weapon Style ** Red Dragon Plate
Billy: Blue Power Ranger Class: Fighter/Cleric Multi Class Race: Half-Elf Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Quarterstaff ** Two Handed Weapon Style ** Blue Dragon Plate
Zack: Black Ranger Class Fighter/Thief Multi Class Race: Half-Elf Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor BG1: Axe ** Single Weapon Style ** Shadow Armor Ultimate armor BG2: Shadow Dragon Scale
Kimberly: Pink Ranger Class: Fighter/Mage Multi Class Race: Elf Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Shortbow ** Shortsword ** No armor. (robes that add a gold color are allowed) Pink clothes
Trini: Yellow Ranger Class: Monk Race: Human Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Dagger * Shortsword * No armor. Yellow clothes
Tommy: Green Ranger in BG1, White Ranger in BG2 (Party Leader and Bhaalspawn) Class: Ranger Race: Human Stats: BG1: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) BG2: Deity (101-108) Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor BG1: Dagger ** Two Weapon Style ** Single Weapon Style ** Ankheg armor Ultimate armor BG2: White dragon scale
Well, I just figured the group needs a cleric and a thief, and both of those are hard to come by in Game of Thrones. Tyrion could definitely be a thief, but if you make Dany an RDD, you're out a cleric. Maybe replace one of the slots with Katelyn Stark? She's the only really religious main character I can think of, among the good and neutral characters.
Game of Thrones Team Evil has an obvious choice for cleric, but not good that I can see.
Gotta agree with @Fardragon on this one. If you need a Thief, make Jaime a Fighter/Thief dual or have Tyrian be a Thief.
Thoros of Myr would probably be Chaotic or True Neutral, but he's a pretty good Cleric. Memorize lots of Flame Blade spells and you're golden.
@Elrandir ...Why's the Black Ranger gotta be a thief?
@Schneidend Final armor; Shadow Dragon Scales. Plus he's a hip-hop dancer and very acrobatic in the show. I think Swashbuckler would fit him best, but they can't use axes, (his weapon of choice in the show) so I took what is essentially the same thing; Fighter/Thief. Plus the group needs a thief.
If you want to try and accuse me of more stereotyping (I'm not actually saying you are. I know you're joking. So am I) then you could ask why the yellow ranger is a monk.
Well, I just figured the group needs a cleric and a thief, and both of those are hard to come by in Game of Thrones. Tyrion could definitely be a thief, but if you make Dany an RDD, you're out a cleric. Maybe replace one of the slots with Katelyn Stark? She's the only really religious main character I can think of, among the good and neutral characters.
Game of Thrones Team Evil has an obvious choice for cleric, but not good that I can see.
@Wowo, I make Haley a fighter-thief so she can have the bow skill she's supposed to have. Her 3rd edition character in the comic is a bow fighting specialist with all the bow feats like Rapid Shot and Point Blank Shot. Pure thief under 2nd edition rules doesn't cut it for me. Of course, my interpretations to fit the Order of the Stick into 2nd edition rules are my own - others are possible.
Currently I just have Belkar as a barbarian because halflings can be barbarians legally. I'll probably do that again just for simplicity's sake. I could use Tweaks "remove racial restrictions" to give him a ranger class - but is it possible to legally dual from ranger to barbarian?
I'd like to make my Vaarsuvius have the Evoker specialty as V does from the comic - but in BG, the restricted opposition schools are not the same. V would have been barred from Enchantment/Charm, which was a no-go for me, mostly because of Sleep. Do you know if the IWD opposition schools match what you said - Evokers are barred from Conjuration and Necromancy?
I think the Blade class is way more competent in melee than what Elan ever is, even with his dashing swordsman levels. I like to just use his mage spell slots to simulate his eventual melee competency - with spells like ghost armor and Tenser's transformation. My choices for his Infinity Engine implementation are trueclass bard, especially with the IWD version of that, or jester, because of his quips and his worship of Banjo the Clown. And he does tend to confuse his enemies with his antics during combat.
One requirement of mine in games like this is to have everybody be able to fight. I hate single classed non-warriors.
IIRC, I used:
Gnome fighter/illusionist Human paladin Half elf fighter/Druid Half elf cleric/ranger Elf fighter/Mage/thief (archer, and all the thief you need) Half elf Bard (ok, he can't fight, but Bards are better than that in this game)
This set up WILL change with the addition of kits. I'd guess at least one or two dual classes will be added, and the Paladin will get a kit.
@BelgarathMTH this was actually going to be my suggestion as well, and I think it is a pretty great fit.
For cleric you can always do Rob Stark's wife Talisa. Maybe not exactly a "priestess", but certainly someone devoted to healing. She'd be a nice cleric mage.
It think Dragon Disciple is just too fitting for Daenerys for it to be ignored.
@Schneidend Final armor; Shadow Dragon Scales. Plus he's a hip-hop dancer and very acrobatic in the show. I think Swashbuckler would fit him best, but they can't use axes, (his weapon of choice in the show) so I took what is essentially the same thing; Fighter/Thief. Plus the group needs a thief.
If you want to try and accuse me of more stereotyping (I'm not actually saying you are. I know you're joking. So am I) then you could ask why the yellow ranger is a monk.
They probably all should be Monks, even if that wouldn't make for a very good party, so that didn't strike me as odd. =P
Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden: Evoker or Sorcerer who concentrates on Evocation (Human Male) Karren Murphy: Monk (Human Female) Michael Carpenter: Cavalier (Human Male) Molly Carpenter: Illusionist/Thief (Half-Elven Female) Thomas Raith: Bard (Human Vampire Male with ridiculous stats) Then: Dr. Waldo Butters: Cleric OR William "Billy" Borden: Shapeshifter (Human Male)
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Sadly the bard cant be a dwarf as dwarfs lack the ability to sing, play instruments and tell stories, they tried for generations to learn it but alas it did not work and they went back to mining ore.
DD- dwarf
cleric -dwarf
swash or f/t - dwarf
bard - non dwarf.
sorc/wildmage/mage whatever works - something short.
barbarian- dwarf
All dwarfs will be evil and are keeping the others as slaves. When the adventure is over its going to be cloakwood mines 2.0
Limit him to Illusion spells
Str 10
Dex 14
Con 11
Int 9
Wis 13
Cha 18
I'm torn about whether to keep him a jester in IWD:EE, since trueclass bards are so awesome in IWD. Maybe too awesome for Elan, I don't know. Of course, the OotS always fights with some pretty good 3rd edition bard bonuses in the comic, they just don't acknowledge that what Elan is doing is helpful, at least early on.
I'd say to definitely go vanilla Bard. As Elan becomes a daring swashbuckler, he definitely becomes less Jester-appropriate. I mean, hell, he does more damage by narrating his attacks. If any kit, ability-wise, he'd be a Skald.
EDIT: Then again, now you've got me thinking...
IWD Game of Thrones theme party:
Jon Snow - human ranger
Ygritte - half-orc or human barbarian
Jamie Lannister - human swashbuckler or fighter-thief
Brienne of Tarth - human paladin
Tyrion Lannister - halfling or dwarf bard
Daenerys Targaryen - half-elf cleric-mage
It's a bit hard to roleplay how these six would come to be working together. Maybe Jamie, Brienne, and Tyrion are on the run from Tywin and Cersei for some reason, and forced to work together with the others. Jon and Ygritte could be on the run from her tribemates and his Night's Watch brethren who disapprove their relationship. Daenerys could be trying to save the world she wants to rule from the crisis in the game, and also interested in keeping some control over two Lannisters and a former member of House Stark.
Just brainstorming, here.
Or with a party full of Barbarians, break down the Wall! Break down the Wall!
And, yes, all the Pink Floyd and A Song of Ice and Fire jokes are meant
In 2e terms if anything a Elan starts as a pure bard and ends as a blade.
V is an evoker with conjuration and necromancy banned.
Multi Ranger/Barbarian sounds fine for Belkar if you can keeper it.
Game of Thrones Team Evil has an obvious choice for cleric, but not good that I can see.
Jason: Red Power Ranger
Class: Fighter
Race: Half-orc
Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Longsword ** Single Weapon Style ** Red Dragon Plate
Billy: Blue Power Ranger
Class: Fighter/Cleric Multi Class
Race: Half-Elf
Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Quarterstaff ** Two Handed Weapon Style ** Blue Dragon Plate
Zack: Black Ranger
Class Fighter/Thief Multi Class
Race: Half-Elf
Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor BG1: Axe ** Single Weapon Style ** Shadow Armor
Ultimate armor BG2: Shadow Dragon Scale
Kimberly: Pink Ranger
Class: Fighter/Mage Multi Class
Race: Elf
Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Shortbow ** Shortsword ** No armor. (robes that add a gold color are allowed) Pink clothes
Trini: Yellow Ranger
Class: Monk
Race: Human
Stats: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor: Dagger * Shortsword * No armor. Yellow clothes
Tommy: Green Ranger in BG1, White Ranger in BG2 (Party Leader and Bhaalspawn)
Class: Ranger
Race: Human
Stats: BG1: Exceptional Adventurer (86-90) BG2: Deity (101-108)
Beginning proficiencies and ultimate armor BG1: Dagger ** Two Weapon Style ** Single Weapon Style ** Ankheg armor
Ultimate armor BG2: White dragon scale
Thoros of Myr would probably be Chaotic or True Neutral, but he's a pretty good Cleric. Memorize lots of Flame Blade spells and you're golden.
@Elrandir
...Why's the Black Ranger gotta be a thief?
This one http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/34398/boos-party-of-adventurers-for-iwd-ee-updated-periodically-the-way-chemists-do-it-on-the-table
If you want to try and accuse me of more stereotyping (I'm not actually saying you are. I know you're joking. So am I) then you could ask why the yellow ranger is a monk.
Bran Stark - Druid
Syrio Forel - Swashbuckler
Currently I just have Belkar as a barbarian because halflings can be barbarians legally. I'll probably do that again just for simplicity's sake. I could use Tweaks "remove racial restrictions" to give him a ranger class - but is it possible to legally dual from ranger to barbarian?
I'd like to make my Vaarsuvius have the Evoker specialty as V does from the comic - but in BG, the restricted opposition schools are not the same. V would have been barred from Enchantment/Charm, which was a no-go for me, mostly because of Sleep. Do you know if the IWD opposition schools match what you said - Evokers are barred from Conjuration and Necromancy?
I think the Blade class is way more competent in melee than what Elan ever is, even with his dashing swordsman levels. I like to just use his mage spell slots to simulate his eventual melee competency - with spells like ghost armor and Tenser's transformation. My choices for his Infinity Engine implementation are trueclass bard, especially with the IWD version of that, or jester, because of his quips and his worship of Banjo the Clown. And he does tend to confuse his enemies with his antics during combat.
IIRC, I used:
Gnome fighter/illusionist
Human paladin
Half elf fighter/Druid
Half elf cleric/ranger
Elf fighter/Mage/thief (archer, and all the thief you need)
Half elf Bard (ok, he can't fight, but Bards are better than that in this game)
This set up WILL change with the addition of kits. I'd guess at least one or two dual classes will be added, and the Paladin will get a kit.
For cleric you can always do Rob Stark's wife Talisa. Maybe not exactly a "priestess", but certainly someone devoted to healing. She'd be a nice cleric mage.
It think Dragon Disciple is just too fitting for Daenerys for it to be ignored.
And cast Flame Blade. Good suggestion.
Paul Atreides-human male fighter/cleric
Chani-elf female fighter
Lady Jessica-human female enchanter
Stillgar-elf male fighter
Gurney Halleck-human male blade
Alia-halfling female fighter/thief
It's based on the first book I try to make it a balance team.
Karren Murphy: Monk (Human Female)
Michael Carpenter: Cavalier (Human Male)
Molly Carpenter: Illusionist/Thief (Half-Elven Female)
Thomas Raith: Bard (Human Vampire Male with ridiculous stats)
Then:
Dr. Waldo Butters: Cleric
OR
William "Billy" Borden: Shapeshifter (Human Male)