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  • OlvynChuruOlvynChuru Member Posts: 3,080
    edited November 2014
    The game was easy for me, but that's because I've been playing the EE games for years. It's my fault, not the game's fault.

    Also, on the topic of stat generation, I generally don't like leaving anything up to luck unless necessary. If you want to challenge yourself, instead of just picking a random set of bad stats, create your own set. For example, you could deliberately give all your characters extremely low Dexterity or Constitution.
  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Okay I'm gonna say it...

    I think IWD:EE is too hard.

    ...

    It's just an opinion...

    However I would like a response from @Avenger_teambg‌ as to how he is going to make the game easier and harder at the same time... I'm sure he has a cunning plan...
  • KenjiKenji Member Posts: 251

    Ok, lets just say that if you minmax your party, then the game is cakewalk on core difficulty.
    I don't think we should do anything about this. If you want to minmax, play in HoF mode.

    Best part is even when HoF mode is enabled, people don't really have to min/max to still progress through the game!

    Of course, playing with the actual PnP rules (mad respect for those who acutally follows it) won't get the party very far in the HoF mode, yikes.
  • BelanosBelanos Member Posts: 968
    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!

  • CrusherEAGLECrusherEAGLE Member Posts: 19
    Belanos said:

    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!

    I remember that mummy from ten years ago. I have carried my memories of him with me ever since that fateful day that he made my party living hell with "Weapon Ineffective". I was scared, when I opened that secret door...

    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.
  • BelanosBelanos Member Posts: 968



    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.

    Well, when all you have is a Dagger +1 to do any damage against him, I can assure that you can't swiftly dispatch him. Same thing with that Spectre outside. Unfortunately I had made the mistake of selling off the other magical weapons I had come across because none of my characters had any profiencies for them. Big mistake. It took awhile to figure out how to get rid of his disease as well. At first I tried to make it back to Kuldahar to pay a visit to the Temple but my character never made it. Then I finally clued in. Then there were all those traps that my incompetent Thief kept missing. Nasty area all around! The rest of the Vale wasn't all that difficult though.

  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857

    Belanos said:

    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!

    I remember that mummy from ten years ago. I have carried my memories of him with me ever since that fateful day that he made my party living hell with "Weapon Ineffective". I was scared, when I opened that secret door...

    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.
    You know kits aren't mandatory, right?
  • RAM021RAM021 Member Posts: 403

    Belanos said:

    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!
    I remember that mummy from ten years ago. I have carried my memories of him with me ever since that fateful day that he made my party living hell with "Weapon Ineffective". I was scared, when I opened that secret door...

    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.
    Prior knowledge of course played no part...
  • CrusherEAGLECrusherEAGLE Member Posts: 19
    DreadKhan said:

    Belanos said:

    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!

    I remember that mummy from ten years ago. I have carried my memories of him with me ever since that fateful day that he made my party living hell with "Weapon Ineffective". I was scared, when I opened that secret door...

    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.
    You know kits aren't mandatory, right?
    Where's the fun in that? Kits are awesome!
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308

    Ok, lets just say that if you minmax your party, then the game is cakewalk on core difficulty.
    I don't think we should do anything about this. If you want to minmax, play in HoF mode.

    let's say you don't minmax your party
    - the game is significantly easier than it would have been with a similar non-minmaxed party in the original

    let's say you do
    - the game is significantly easier than it would have been with a similar minmaxed party in the original

    for me this is a problem and i think that it should be a concern for you too.
  • RAM021RAM021 Member Posts: 403
    bob_veng said:

    Ok, lets just say that if you minmax your party, then the game is cakewalk on core difficulty.
    I don't think we should do anything about this. If you want to minmax, play in HoF mode.

    let's say you don't minmax your party
    - the game is significantly easier than it would have been with a similar non-minmaxed party in the original

    let's say you do
    - the game is significantly easier than it would have been with a similar minmaxed party in the original

    for me this is a problem and i think that it should be a concern for you too.
    Entirely subjective.

    IWD has 99+ problems, but this ain't one!
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308
    edited November 2014
    RAM021 said:


    IWD has 99+ problems, but this ain't one!

    Entirely subjective.
  • RAM021RAM021 Member Posts: 403
    bob_veng said:

    RAM021 said:


    IWD has 99+ problems, but this ain't one!

    Entirely subjective.
    Hardly - unlikely your unsubstantiated claims, one needs only look at the forum list to see people complaining about both the game being made easier (typically you) and the game being made more difficult. As the game cannot be both, it must therefore approach some semblance of balance.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811

    Belanos said:

    Anduin said:

    Oh dear. I know the infinity engine very well... And I am being wiped out... I haven't even completed it yet... Although I am trying really hard not to story mode.

    Yeah. I'm no stranger to these games either but I've had a fairly tough time of it so far myself. And I've only made it as far as the Vale of Shadows. Damn Mummy!

    I remember that mummy from ten years ago. I have carried my memories of him with me ever since that fateful day that he made my party living hell with "Weapon Ineffective". I was scared, when I opened that secret door...

    Only to quickly and swiftly dispatch him this time around without trouble. I blame the kits.
    I blame you for learning your lesson and having magical weapons equipped even if it was a dagger +1 with no proficiency points.

    As stated before, there are ways to make the game more challenging for a person finding it too easy.

    There are also ways of making the game easier for those finding it too difficult (import higher level characters to begin the game for example).

    It shouldn't be up to the developer to handicap your experience if it will hinder another player and their enjoyment of the game. They didn't take any of challenges away from the battles, they just added other tools players can utilize to face them. It is up to you if you choose to use them or not.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    bob_veng said:

    RAM021 said:


    IWD has 99+ problems, but this ain't one!

    Entirely subjective.
    Veng only counted 98 problems, and unfortunately not finding the Bitch Queen's Envoy was one.

    If you play IWD:EE without using the most powergamey kit options, its hardly easier. If you stick mostly to IWD vanilla class options and don't min-max, you shouldn't have an easy time. Offer your counter argument please rather than just making sweeping conclusions,
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