which do you prefer for multiclass fighter/thief or mage/thief
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- which do you prefer for multiclass fighter/thief or mage/thief77 votes
- fighter/thief58.44%
- mage/thief41.56%
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Mages on the other hand are very powerful on their own and I don't want to delay their spell progression by muddying the waters with thief levels.
Casting Sanctuary and then backstabbing with clubs is fun! Especially as an half-orc.
(Also all the comments thus far were from the other side. Blue needed someone to comment!)
A fighter/thief is also an excellent archer.
As soon as I finish developing a fighter/thief as a backstabber and an archer (* in single weapon style, ** in a melee weapon of choice and ** in bows/crossbows) I start developing him for wielding two weapons. Thus this character becomes viable as an excellent fighter in the later stages of the game with lots of APR.
Overall, I think that a fighter and a thief are combined into a fun and versatile character.
thus
mage/thief>fighter/thief
Although a dual class thief to mage works pretty well; you basically can decide exactly how much , or how little, total experience you're going to waste on thief...
As for the poll I prefer the fighter/thief, but ideally I would dual class.
What I do like, and now I'm getting a bit more on topic, is playing Mage/Thief or Cleric/Thief and using the caster class to enhance the Thief. This can be done for example with
- Spells like Knock so you won't have to invest skillpoints in open locks,
- Invisibility and other Illusion spells for when stealth is failing,
- Sanctuary (same reason),
- Detection spells to locate the hidden targets of your backstabs (it allows you to wait with investing skillpoints in Detect Illusions),
- all kinds of summons to distract opponents so that Charname can hide and prepare another backstab,
- Buffs like Haste, Stoneskin, Tenser's or DUHM, Holy Power and Righteous Magic to become a more effective combatant.
Of course at higher levels the Thief will have gained enough skill points beyond Thief-only skills like Detect Traps or Set Traps so that you won't have need for some of the above-mentioned spells anymore.
Nevertheless to me a non-caster is somehow more heroic, having to fight so many fights with the odds against him/her (except of course at the beginning of the game). And I really don't like endgame Mages who can wipe away entire battlefields. I'm Valygar's spiritual brother and I tend to see arcane magic users as cheats.
* with the exception of F/M/Ts.
A fighter/thief is a thief on steroids, you don't lose much thieverosity, or fighterishness, and the whole is better than the sum of it's parts.
On that note, a fighter/mage is also interesting, but ultimately less than a full mage, and a bit less than a bard as well. Until you get GWW, then it can turn some heads.
Duals now, anything gets better if you dual to it from a fighter with 5* in a weapon, and if the fighter was a berzerker or kensai, well this is gold.
Some thief HLAs are kinda game-changers of the same order as mage level 9 spells. Spike traps get a lot of love, although I've never taken to them myself. I prefer the oh-so cheesy combination of slugging a haste potion, setting a time trap, then triggering the fight, sneaking, and positioning near a likely enemy while I wait for the trap to fire. When it does lead in with a backstab, then activate the assasinate HLA, and finish off as many enemies as I can reach while time is stopped. The fighter/thief or fighter>thief wins here due to having more attacks per round.
(jk i have a f/t in my iwdee party dont hurt me)
(Note the forum you are in. ;-) )
I use this:
*Stinking Cloud, Fireball, Fireball, Fireball, Fireball, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile, Magic Missile. Equip Full Platemail*
Although good luck in a party with five other party members eating up your experience at level 9 while you stay at level 3 Fighter, Level 3 Mage, Level 5 Thief.
You can Drop the Backstab and lockpicking and become VERY powerful with Combat Wands while wearing Platemail and being able to use Ranged Weapons.
'HOW TO WIN: Fighter/Mage Style'.
1.) Take off your armour while your enemies are in the fog of war.
2.) 'Spam' Fireball and other Area of Effect spells at your enemies.
A.) If your enemies are not crazy powerful and don't use bows, 'spam' magic missiles until they are dead.
B.) If your Enemies use bows, cast fast, and or are Hasted, and or are 'crazy powerful' in general: Equip your armour and 'spam' a 'vendor topped' Wand of Fireballs into the enemy's fog of war location. Then Wand of Monster Summoning 'Monster Army'+ Wand of Stunning + Non-A.o.E. Ranged attacks if they 'charge'.
C.) If Everything else fails Buff your Character With Positive Spells and Spawn an Army of Monsters with a 'vendor topped' Wand of Monster Summoning and Use Wand of Stunning plus non-Area of Effect damaging spells with the 'charm cloak' and or then quickly don your Armour while in combat and use Ranged Weapon Attacks while retaining your 'monster army' with the Wand of Monster Summoning.
No Hit Points are usually not lost in Combat [That is what the 'Army of Monsters is for'] so a healer is not needed; just have a stack of Potions of Healing and get the 'Good Reputation' Innate 'Dream Healing Spells' and this should be more than enough for your personal healing needs. Also don't worry about gold for wands either! The money comes easy in the game for the 'vendor wand topping' and You can solo the game with this technique with [what I think is too much] ease!
Did you ever wonder why there is 'not a lot of' properly scripted Fighter/Mage NPC's in Baldur's Gate; even with ~30 Party NPCs and a plethora of 'would be assassins'?
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And the xp split isn't as bad as everyone makes it look.
When a F/M/T reaches Mage level 9 at 135,000 XP, a singleclass Mage or Sorcerer has 405,000 XP and is level 11. Which means that at this moment, a F/M/T has level 5 spells, and the singleclass also has level 5 spells. Later on when you have HLAs from multiple class's pools, you don't need higher level spell.
To get back on topic, I prefer Mage/Thief because I think they requiere some more focus and management to shine, where a F/T can hack and slash his way. Plus I prefer anything with some magic.
I agree, I just do not use backstab nor hide in shadows even with a thief because I'm lazy. I Mostly use a thief for lock and pocket picking with find traps. I don't mind having no thief abilities for I have played the original game so much, that I know where most every good item is and only a minority of good items are locked away. I also just spam experience and level up faster with two classes and use magic, wands and composite bows to kill every enemy with mostly ease with buffed fighter skills for bows and physical fighting elements (e.g. Hitpoints and Armour Class).