I Need Good Advices
PainisCupcake
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I have some questions for you guys . But first of all who would win these fights and why ?
1) Kangaxx vs Superman
2) Irenicus vs Loki ( in comics )
3) Keldorn ( Carsomyr +6 ) vs King Arthur ( Excalibur )
4) Sarevok vs Arthas
5) Edwin vs Khadgar
6) Your avarage lich in D&D vs A lich in Warcraft
7) Minsc ( 19 str after rescuing Boo ) vs Grom Hellscream
8) Noober vs Neeber
9) Solar vs Tyrael
10) Avatar of Sargeras vs Demogorgon ( himself )
11) D&D Vampire vs Volkihar Vampire ( master vampire but not lord + fight happens at night )
12) Vivec ( on his peak ) vs any D&D level 30 mage ( but no time stop )
13) Elminster ( Time of Troubles ) vs Medivh ( as guardian )
14) Drizzt vs Divayth Fyr
15) Shadow Dragon vs Durnehviir
16) Kerghan vs Edwin
17) Elminster vs White Gandalf
18) The Five Bhaalspawn vs Sauron ( 3rd Era , with ring of power )
19) Aegwynn ( before giving birth to Medivh , post Sargeras fight ) vs Amelyssan ( pocket universe )
Will Protection from Normal Weapons protect you from guns ? Negative Plane Protection would make you immune to smoke's bad effects ? Oh by the way can cleric's heal spell restore damaged or lost organs ?
Also I'm playing human pure generalist wizard , how good is it ? I still dont quite understand how multi class / dual class works this is why my choice was single class . I need mage advices on my next playthrough .
1) Kangaxx vs Superman
2) Irenicus vs Loki ( in comics )
3) Keldorn ( Carsomyr +6 ) vs King Arthur ( Excalibur )
4) Sarevok vs Arthas
5) Edwin vs Khadgar
6) Your avarage lich in D&D vs A lich in Warcraft
7) Minsc ( 19 str after rescuing Boo ) vs Grom Hellscream
8) Noober vs Neeber
9) Solar vs Tyrael
10) Avatar of Sargeras vs Demogorgon ( himself )
11) D&D Vampire vs Volkihar Vampire ( master vampire but not lord + fight happens at night )
12) Vivec ( on his peak ) vs any D&D level 30 mage ( but no time stop )
13) Elminster ( Time of Troubles ) vs Medivh ( as guardian )
14) Drizzt vs Divayth Fyr
15) Shadow Dragon vs Durnehviir
16) Kerghan vs Edwin
17) Elminster vs White Gandalf
18) The Five Bhaalspawn vs Sauron ( 3rd Era , with ring of power )
19) Aegwynn ( before giving birth to Medivh , post Sargeras fight ) vs Amelyssan ( pocket universe )
Will Protection from Normal Weapons protect you from guns ? Negative Plane Protection would make you immune to smoke's bad effects ? Oh by the way can cleric's heal spell restore damaged or lost organs ?
Also I'm playing human pure generalist wizard , how good is it ? I still dont quite understand how multi class / dual class works this is why my choice was single class . I need mage advices on my next playthrough .
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2-Loki is a god, right? Irenicus tries to become a god and fails. Go figure.
3-It depends on the exact nature of Excalibur, if it is a holy avenger sword like Carsomyr then it depends on the levels of Keldorn and King Arthur. Keldorn does not have a set level, being a npc character that can join the party.
I would argue that yes, normal bullets fired from a normal gun would be considered a normal weapon:in the movies normal bullets are ineffective against vampires, ghosts, and werewolves. Silver, blessed, and annointed bullets are effective, however.
A single classed mage is okay. You will become the strongest character past 3 million xp points, as all maged tend to do.
Multi class characters progress in two or more classes at the same time. But they divide xp between those classes. At higher lvls this slows their level progression a lot. A pure mage reaches lvl 18 at 3 million xp:lvl 18 is the turning point for a mage as mages gain access to game changing abilities and spells at that level. A multi class fighter/mage, cleric/mage or thief/mage will require 6 million xp for its mage lvls to reach 18:double the amount of time! However, the multi class character will have the other class abilities and gain the other class's high level abilities as well.
Dual classing allows you a limited access to your first class's abilities while not limiting your progress in the second class. Take a fighter dualled into a mage:dualled at lvl 9 or such, the xp he has invested in the fighter classes will be very minimal. Thus he can reach the crucial mage lvl 18 with no problem. He will have fighter exceptional strength, weapon mastery and a lot of more hit points over the regular mage. Also if you choose a kit like berserker or kensai he will have some neat tricks/bonuses as well. He will not gain fighter high level abilities. He will only gain mage high level abilities. A multi fighter/mage will gain both fighter and mage high level abilities but since he continues to divide his xp between two classes, reaching lvl 18 in magehood will be very difficult for the multi class character.
If you are interested in playing a human mage with no specialisation then please think about dual-classing your charname.
You can also play a wild mage. This class/kit has no true specialisation and it benefits from the additional spell per level that all the specialists get.
2) Are we talking supervillain-Loki or god-Loki? Supervillain-Loki would probably lose to Irenicus, since he doesn't really demonstrate world-shattering combat powers. God-Loki is a god, and at Ragnarok he double-kills Heimdall, the god the gods thought was a tough enough dude to guard the entrance to their realm. It's reasonable to imagine a rough equivalence between Heimdall and Faerun's Helm. Now, we know that Helm's avatar beat Demogorgon, the real Helm is stronger than his avatar, and Demogorgon is more powerful than Irenicus. Ergo, Helm is substantially more powerful than Irenicus, so god-Loki would easily win.
3) Again, I have to ask which King Arthur we're talking about. There's a few too many to list, so I'll talk in generalities. First, Excalibur is a sword of real legend and power, a weapon of singular quality. Carsomyr would be, at best, its equal. Second, in most versions, Excalibur's sheath confers additional defensive benefits, ranging from preventing Arthur from bleeding to making him unable to be cut to conferring complete and total invulnerability. Obviously if it's the last one, Arthur just wins outright. Otherwise, I'd say my money's on Keldorn. By the end of Baldur's Gate, Keldorn's about level 30, which is just obscenely high level. Arthur, while no pushover, is not generally one of the strongest knights at his table. That honor is typically reserved for knights like Gawain, Lancelot, and Galahad. Even if Arthur has better equipment (which is debatable, since Keldorn tends to have more than just his sword), Keldorn is just too high level to lose that fight in most versions.
Arthur is lvl 18 Paladin in Deities and Demigods iirc, no clue where the hell they got their Arthur from though. He isn't normally anywhere near Paladin territory, though often 'pretty decent for a royal'.
Kangax will have a tooth with a tiny, eternally screaming Superman inside, to keep his abandoned skull company.
Loki the God would just destroy Irenicus, but Loki the Comic Book dude would get his butt handed to him. Irenicus makes the likes of Dr. Strange and Mandarin look like Girl Scouts playing with a Magic 8-ball.
@Musigny I'm already on Chapter 6 with single class generalist human mage , but yours will be my choice on another playthrough.
4) Sarevok vs Arthas
Assuming Arthas post-Frozen Throne, Arthas. Sarevok is pretty tough, but simply put, he's no Lich King. Pre-Frozen Throne, my money's on Arthas if he has his army, Sarevok otherwise. Sarevok is definitely smarter and sneakier, so he'll do better in individual conflicts, but even commanded by a tactical genius, the Iron Throne wouldn't fare well against the Scourge.
5) Edwin vs Khadgar
Hm. Good question, and frankly hard to assess. We might propose a rough equivalence between Khadgar and Elminster, in which case we know Khadgar wins. I'm not sure how happy I am with that equivalence, though, and my gut reaction is that Edwin and Khadgar would be pretty even.
6) Your avarage lich in D&D vs A lich in Warcraft
The D&D lich, because warcraft liches don't have anything to strip spell protections, and D&D spell protections are insanely strong.
7) Minsc ( 19 str after rescuing Boo ) vs Grom Hellscream
Grom Hellscream killed Mannoroth, essentially one-on-one. Yeah, sure, he died doing it, but somehow I don't see Minsc managing the same. Mannoroth also isn't the only demigod Hellscream killed, and depending on the rules of the fight, he's got the entire Warsong Clan to back him up. I like Minsc as much as the next guy, but I can't see this being anything but one-sided.
8) Noober vs Neeber
Neeber. Those sling bullets +2 would come in pretty handy.
9) Solar vs Tyrael
Assuming D2 Tyrael (because whatever you think of D3 Tyrael as a character, he's clearly not that strong), then Tyrael. Solars are important, but they're not literally the rulers of the heavens (that'd be the Throne Archons or their equivalents on other planes). Tyrael, meanwhile, is the strongest warrior on the Angiris Council. So I'd have to go with Tyrael.
Warcraft?? really? Also, Minsc has a very, very useful set of allies, IE Rashemens Berserker Lodges, and possibly the Witches. They have repeatedly trounced Thay, so there aren't many who can even come close.
You know how absurdly Epic the gear a Solar has is, right? in 3.0, its what, a 5m gp sword STANDARD? Regarding the issue of Celestial rankings, Archons are under Zaphkial and the Hebdomad (LG), Talisid and the 5 are in charge of Guardinals (NG), while Eladrin are loosely ruled by Morwel and whomever is nailing her presently (CG, 2nd rank is her consort lol). Throne Archons are small potatoes compared to those.
Assuming Excalibur would work against a paladin, it would be a win for Arthur, mainly because Excalibur also comes with an enchanted scabbard, which makes the wearer immune to slashing damage and some other stuff. Also, Excalibur had a sharpness enchant, which (if memory serves) means a roll of 18-20 on a d20 would result in a random severed limb.
@wubble what if Keldorn's wife had sex with Arthur and he learns it ? Then they may fight .
Added more characters to debate
K = El
El > Ed
therefore
K > Ed
If I remember correctly , Kerghan turns into bone dragon ( or whatever it is ) when you fight him in the void and he can only be killed by Vendigroth Device or Kryggird's Falchion . Also he can regenerate his health in a protective shell when badly hurt . That means Edwin will just waste spells. So Kerghan wins .
3) Keldorn ( Carsomyr +6 ) vs King Arthur ( Excalibur ) : Wouldn't happen. They're both lawful good.
8) Noober vs Neeber: Everyone loses
9) Solar vs Tyrael: see Number 3
11) D&D Vampire vs Volkihar Vampire: D&D Hands down, Combination of super stats, Level Drain, and mistform would annihilate the Skyrim Vampires
12) Vivec vs any D&D level 30 mage: Morrowind sucks... IMHO
15) Shadow Dragon vs Durnehviir: Durnehviir on account that he technically can't die.
16) Kerghan vs Edwin: Are you serious?
17) Elminster vs White Gandalf: Hard to say on account that Gandalf's powers aren't really well defined. We have Elminster stated out right in a book with pretty pictures but Gandalf's powers trend more towards the obscure, heck half the time people aren't even aware of Gandalf's magic. Considering they both have divine help and are considered to be the best of the best I'm going to call it a draw.
18) The Five Bhaalspawn vs Sauron (3rd Era , with ring of power) Depends on if Illesera can pickpocket the ring off of Sauron.
Now Sauron is also a demigod because he is Maiar as well but Sauron is killed because he was stupid enough to put most of his essence into a powerful yet destructible ring. A risk that didn't pay off. Sauron's been slain several times in the past but his spirit always returned to pose a new threat.
Gandalf as he appeared in LotR? Not so much.
Also, the question is about winning so the fact that he is essentially demigod is irrelevant. That he would return to Valinor doesn't change the fact that he had to lose the fight to get there.
It's really incomparable because these are vastly different worlds when it comes to the level of magic. One world had flying cities, mages casting spells that killed hundreds if not thousands, trying to steal gods essence and raining down fire and lightning storms. Summoning demons, devils and angelic being to do their bidding and traveling via teleportation, flying on their own accord, changing planes of existence and casually doing exactly what the One Ring did for Frodo - turning invisible.
The other has a few elderly people whose powers are specifically limited to living extremely long, being unnaturaly spry for their look and casting some basic nature, light and fire spells.
Imagine how LotR would look like if we swapped Gandalf with Elminster who could tap fully to his 29th level wizard potential.
I think that it is some kind of reverence to Tolkien's work and his rich world that makes people root for Gandalf but really, it's not hard to write a more powerful wizard than him and there are plenty of examples in otherwise worse fantasy literature.
As for the actual fight, It'd depend on the age of Arthur, I guess. Keldorn only appears as an older guy close to his retirement, so from a narrative point of view, he might be able to teach a young Arthur a few tricks, but I don't think he'd best the adult king at the hight of his strength and prowess.