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Why do women play Baldur's Gate?

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  • kcwisekcwise Member Posts: 2,287
    Catfish 2: The Nimran Tragedy

  • AionZAionZ Member Posts: 3,026
    I wouldn't even have gotten into the Baldur's Gate games if not for my sister. Now I'm more obsessed with it than she is :smiley:

    NonnahswriterJuliusBorisovlolienBelgarathMTH
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    I got my GF at the time hooked on the game. She turned into a total gamer and now plays more hours on the computer than I do.

    BelgarathMTH
  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    There are no female transformers in G1.

    ...

    Apart from Arcee... So named because... uhm...

    Anyway. Nearly all change now if you read the IDW comics.

  • IsabellaGrangerIsabellaGranger Member Posts: 52
    Whoa, whoa... I see a lot of people getting offended by a simple question. He was interested in knowing why women play the game. I really couldn't read all the comments, but I don't think you should get offended by his comments. They are, even if not completely accurate, a little spot on. Let's just say that even if the percentage of women playing videogames isn't as low as it was long time ago, the percentage of men who play videogames is larger. So, even if his assumptions on the statistics aren't ''accurate'', the point is still the same. No big deal about it, I don't really care about those kind of comments, so I'll just answer with my opinion.
    Baldur's Gate probably caught my attention because of the deepness of the story, and the complexity of the characters, not to talk about the huge number of quests you can finish, and the development of the whole world and gameplay. Baldur's Gate is one of the most complete games I've ever played. I'm generally into games, it's just like reading a book, or watching a movie. The idea is to drift apart from your life temporarily, and have fun. Videogames allow you to participate, so that's why they're so mega popular. It's like... I don't know, a thrilling experience; I wouldn't be quiet with my life if I didn't get the opportunity to relax and enjoy a true masterpiece such as this one, every now and then. BG consumes time, but that's the idea, right? At least the way I see it, I can experience a lot of things I could never do in real life xD That's the interesting part about it. Baldur's Gate is great as a whole, there isn't just one single thing that's interesting about it, really... I wouldn't play a game if it only had one or two things that made it interesting. Also, being an RPG, your experience is... ''closer to reality'' xD That's, briefly, why I play the game. And why I love it :D

    BelgarathMTHJuliusBorisovSaigon1983lolien
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,399
    I'm not so sure it's true anymore that more men than women play video and computer games. That whole idea may be based on outdated information.

    Googling "Do more men than women play computer games" gave me this article from the Washington Post at the top of the list.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/17/more-women-play-video-games-than-boys-and-other-surprising-facts-lost-in-the-mess-of-gamergate/

    Here's the list, if anybody wants to do more research:
    https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS651US651&q=do+more+men+than+women+play+computer+games

    I believe that over the course of this thread, there have been a lot of assertions made based on incorrect understanding of the facts. Further assertions of fact probably need to be documented with links if people still want to discuss this.

    My simple answer to the OP's question is that women play video and computer games for the same reasons men do.

    JuliusBorisovthe_spyder
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806

    I'm not so sure it's true anymore that more men than women play video and computer games. That whole idea may be based on outdated information.

    Googling "Do more men than women play computer games" gave me this article from the Washington Post at the top of the list.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/10/17/more-women-play-video-games-than-boys-and-other-surprising-facts-lost-in-the-mess-of-gamergate/

    Here's the list, if anybody wants to do more research:
    https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS651US651&q=do+more+men+than+women+play+computer+games

    I believe that over the course of this thread, there have been a lot of assertions made based on incorrect understanding of the facts. Further assertions of fact probably need to be documented with links if people still want to discuss this.

    My simple answer to the OP's question is that women play video and computer games for the same reasons men do.

    It's late and I don't have time to actually check this so take it with as many grains of salt as you please, but it was my impression that technically there are more woman "gamers" than men, but women play mostly "casual" mobile games like candy crush or clash of clans, and that the "hardcore" gaming market was still mostly men. I relize I have way to many things in "quotations" for that to sound true at all but there you have it.
    Regardless of the gamer demographic, it's still true that the gaming(and programming in general) industry is VERY male dominated, and that has a large effect on what's in games.

  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,456
    Filthy casuals. Bro do you even PST

    NonnahswritermeaglothTeflonsemiticgod
  • TeflonTeflon Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 517
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    meagloth said:


    It's late and I don't have time to actually check this so take it with as many grains of salt as you please, but it was my impression that technically there are more woman "gamers" than men, but women play mostly "casual" mobile games like candy crush or clash of clans, and that the "hardcore" gaming market was still mostly men. I relize I have way to many things in "quotations" for that to sound true at all but there you have it.
    Regardless of the gamer demographic, it's still true that the gaming(and programming in general) industry is VERY male dominated, and that has a large effect on what's in games.

    I actually HAVE done the research. While it is true that there is a large segment in the female population that do 'Casual' gamer games like candy crush, this in no way means that "Most women only play casual games". That's just wrong and only propagates the stereotype.

    As for programming and development, there was a time when that was thought of Writers as well. 'Women Writers' were not accepted. Why do you think that Dorothy Fontana adopted the moniker D. C. Fontana? Because she wanted to write for Star Trek and it was not widely acceptable. It's the same mentality that created 'Gamergate', which is particularly distasteful in my view.

    There are some truly amazing women programmers out there. There are some really avid women gamer enthusiasts. There are a LOT more than people generally imagine because a lot of women hide behind anonymity instead of facing what is in a very real way, discrimination.

    NonnahswriterBelgarathMTH
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    I would just like to point out that I was NOT saying that I thought only girls play casual games, casual games are just for girls, causal gaming is bad, or that though women should not for some reason be involved in programming/game development. What I WAS saying was that I think that more of the people who play casual mobile games are women rather than men, and most of the people who play hardcore games are men rather than women, and I think that's an underlying assumption of many people right now. Not that I think that's how it should be. Im not sure if that's %100 true or not but if someone has an actual source that proves/disproves any of this I'd be nice if you shared it.

    semiticgod
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    As far as it goes, the Washington post article linked above is a pretty good place to start.

    I do strongly suspect that their percentage distributions are not as accurate as they would like. There is a strong culture of bias and prejudice against women gamers leading to some nastiness such as 'Gamergate' among other things. This, as the article indicates, leads a lot of women to disguise their gender and even their identity for fear of reprisals.

    The true test (at least for me) was going to Gen Con this year where you could actually see women and men in almost equal measure playing all sorts of games from D&D to Magic the Gathering to video games to tabletop games to Cosplay. It warmed my heart that everyone was having a good time and no one was being ostracized or treated badly because of who they were.

    It may not be the intent here, but to some merely asking the question "Why do you play this type of game" actually translates into the much more negatively connotated "Why do YOU play this type of game" where the emphasis suggests that the "You" being talked too is not at all welcome.

    TeflonJuliusBorisovBelgarathMTH
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    edited October 2015
    I did some quick googling and found that basically the issue is so charged its impossible to find any good data. I found an article that kinda supported what I said but it was basically an opinion article. Everything else was using that one 52/48 statistic and sported a "0HOLY $&*€[email protected]! Guys there are more women than teenage boys playing videogames! sexism! women! Genahdh!"-esque title.

    I would also like to point out that that stat is basically 50/50, and at this point basically everyone plays games on their phone. So it's not surprising that 50% of everybody is a woman.

    However, for lack of a better data a present you this anecdote: ALL of my male friends are card-carrying console owning "hardcore" gamers. NONE of my female friends are. Most of the males I know, period, play videogames. I can think of two girls I know that I would call "gamers". I know that that is not a data set, but in kinda justifies my stated view.

    One more thing: I believe that something like %17 of the people on this forum(a gaming community) were women. I know that's not real data either but it doesn't really support the %50 statistic.

  • SquireSquire Member Posts: 512
    meagloth said:



    However, for lack of a better data a present you this anecdote: ALL of my male friends are card-carrying console owning "hardcore" gamers. NONE of my female friends are. Most of the males I know, period, play videogames. I can think of two girls I know that I would call "gamers". I know that that is not a data set, but in kinda justifies my stated view.

    One more thing: I believe that something like %17 of the people on this forum(a gaming community) were women. I know that's not real data either but it doesn't really support the %50 statistic.

    Yeah, my observations say the same thing. On the NWN2 server I play on, the number of female players I've encountered in about 5 years of playing can be coutned on one hand. At the roleplaying club, there are a few female players (they all attend with their boyfriends - hence the "your boyfriend must have gotten you into gaming!" cliche ;) ), but the crowd is still predominantly male, and in the wargaming club, I think I've seen 2 girls in the 3 years that I've been going there. I almost never hear a female voice on Teamspeak/voice chat - it does happen sometimes, but it's rare, and almost every time I see a female avatar in a game and become a bit more familiar with the person, it turns out to be a male player.

    Official statistics can often be manipulated to say whatever one wants them to, but at the end of the day, my own observations tell a different story. I'm sure if you include people who just play browser games on the bus then maybe there is a more even split, but if you take that crowd away and only consider people who game as an actual hobby, I think you'll find there are far more males.

    This isn't a boast, or an attempt to ostracise anyone. I would love to see more females playing games, but from what I see, the majority of females just aren't interested.
    Men "typically" don't read books.
    That's not true! Lots of men read. :p ;)

  • AlmateriaAlmateria Member Posts: 257
    edited October 2015
    Archaos said:

    Here's my answer in the form of a statement and a question:

    Men "typically" don't read books.

    Why do men read books?

    as flawed souls, they are exempt from anamnesis

    brus
  • brusbrus Member Posts: 944
    Almateria said:


    as flawed souls, they are exempt from anamnesis

    So, women are pure souls? I would like to meet my pure soulmate.
    PS: I had to look in dictionary for "exempt".

  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,556
    Why do women draw or paint?

    Teflon
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    meagloth said:


    However, for lack of a better data a present you this anecdote: ALL of my male friends are card-carrying console owning "hardcore" gamers. NONE of my female friends are. Most of the males I know, period, play videogames. I can think of two girls I know that I would call "gamers". I know that that is not a data set, but in kinda justifies my stated view.

    What you are describing here is a non-statistically significant sample size along with confirmation bias. Basically, you are finding the results that you are expecting to find. And that isn't all that unusual. I suspect that a LOT of people do exactly the same thing and that is why the general public belief is what it is.

    If you are ever really interested, go attend (or merely hang out outside) Comic Con or Gen Con or whatever Geek/nerd Convention that happens to go on in your area and you might see something completely different.

    In any case, it's all good.

  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 1,805
    But that wouldn't prove anything except the proportions of gamers who go to conventions are female respectively male :P

    SethDavis
  • ArchaosArchaos Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2015
    Squire said:


    That's not true! Lots of men read. :p ;)

    Someone totally missed my point. ;) Or not. :p

    the_spyder
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    edited October 2015
    scriver said:

    But that wouldn't prove anything except the proportions of gamers who go to conventions are female respectively male :P

    You are right in that it would not be a true random sample selection. But in fact, it is directionally a valid way of looking at things because it represents "Within the geek community" that gender is split fairly equally.

    A true statistically valid random sample selection of a cross section of the US (just as an example) should still show something closer to 50/50 "Within the segment that plays games" as far as gender is concerned. But then you are really subsetting the sample down to the 'Geek community' anyway, so...

    And then you would have to deal with discrimination factors and people lying or otherwise miss-representing themselves. As stated above, a significant percentage of female gamers conceal the fact, or merely miss-represent their gender so as not to be treated 'Differently'. Much like online dating, people fear predators and those who would target women gamers.

    EDIT: removed comment due to sensitivity issue.

    Post edited by the_spyder on
  • AlmateriaAlmateria Member Posts: 257
    DO NOT post about gamergate.

    TheElfthe_spyder
  • ArchaosArchaos Member Posts: 1,419
    edited October 2015
    Almateria said:

    DO NOT post about gamergate.

    Why the hell not? Unless it's specifically against the rules.

  • SquireSquire Member Posts: 512


    What you are describing here is a non-statistically significant sample size along with confirmation bias. Basically, you are finding the results that you are expecting to find.

    Except I could actually give you a head count. I could list every member of the NWN2 server along with their gender (I won't though - I don't think people will be too happy if I start throwing their names about with wild abandon). I could even show you a list of members on the Facebook page of my local gaming group (again, I won't). Each time, you would see that the majority is male.

    Sorry if I'm being argumentative but I really don't think this 50% figure is true. I would expect such a statistic to be reflected across the board, but if a forum like this, full of relatively mature people who don't ostracise, threaten, abuse, or otherwise make life difficult for, female gamers, can only boast a female population of 17%...well, I may be no mathematician but 83/17 looks a considerably long way from 50/50 to me. ;)

    Again, I should point out that I have nothing whatsoever against female gamers. This isn't supposed to tell anybody that they can't, or shouldn't, play games...I'm merely stating my observations. I would love there to be more girls in the gaming community, but I simply don't see that being the case.

  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    @Squire - I respect that you have your opinion. I have mine. I see no reason to continue to convince anyone of anything here.

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