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Will Baldur's Gate Die In 15 Years?

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  • atcDaveatcDave Member Posts: 1,933
    One of these days, I will try an emulator!

    I did try the NWN Pool of Radiance mod. It was fun, and is exactly one of the things I was thinking of; is it REALLY Pool of Radiance?!

    WithinAmnesiaMathsorcererNotabarbiegirl
  • brunardobrunardo Member Posts: 514
    PLayed this game when it first came out and now even more serious about it years later. its a sure win formula!

    WithinAmnesiaMagpieRandoms
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859
    Yeah, I might try loading up some really old games on DOSbox... some are forgetable, but some are not surpassed in their own personal niche. Moo2 was mindblowing when it came out, and still is seen as an exemplary micromanagement strategy game. Does every kid play it? No, but some try it, and I've never had anyone hate it, even more casual gamers play it for awhile.

    Regarding the Classics of culture, they are indeed niche, but they are also powerful/influential. Anyone out there never seen a Romeo and Juliet movie? Or song? *shrug* I've read some plays by Shakespear, but am bigger on novels and short stories; my big niche is Russian and European Romantic era lit, for example, but I've read lots of other stuff obviously. If you know much about Baroque music, its one of the 'big' periods, but nowadays, its mostly Bach that people still listen too. Only the best will survive; who has heard of Thales, and who has heard of Plato?

    WithinAmnesiaBlackraven
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    Well, only the best of games get re-imagined and revived. Just like BG did in the EEs.

    While people, who played and loved this game are around, it will never truly die. In a half a millenium, kids will learn about the world's most known writers: Shakespeare, Tolkien, Bioware, Stephanie Meyer...


    Incidentally, I did play several hours worth of old-old Realms of Arkania: Star Trail (made in the 90s) recently... Gotten from GoG, played on a DOS-box (emulator) on a quarter of my actual screen...

    WithinAmnesia
  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    I've played Bard's Tale (I cannot get the colour patch to work out D:) "on a quarter of my actual screen..." too @Southpaw ! :)

    Southpaw
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,009
    DreadKhan said:

    If you know much about Baroque music, its one of the 'big' periods, but nowadays, its mostly Bach that people still listen too.

    I am partial to Monteverdi, Purcell, Pachelbel, and Vivaldi, myself, and I like the tonalities of the harpsichord over those of the piano. If you haven't heard any pieces played on a glass harmonica (or glass armonica, depending upon which source you believe) then seek them out--it is probably the perfect instrument for fully realizing the content of the music from that era.

  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    @BelgarathMTH [*Quote*] "...I see no reason why Baldur's Gate doesn't at least have the potential to become a timeless classic like these works of music. Will it survive for over 300 years like the compositions? Well, maybe it doesn't have quite *that* much artistic power."

    Well as I now see Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, I feel rather impressed but not 'awestruck'. I know that I can improve the experience of the overall game experience; but it will take time, A Lot Of Time.. I can see potential (unmade) areas, features and content within Baldur's Gate that I think could improve its overall quality. *I am working to create an extensive the Isle of Mintarn location and a few other Non-Player Characters as we currently communicate; and that is just a one 'module' of many to come hopefully.*

    Take Care, Live Long And Prosper.

  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026

    I've played Bard's Tale (I cannot get the colour patch to work out D:) "on a quarter of my actual screen..." too @Southpaw ! :)

    @WithinAmnesia - do you know that the creator of Bard's Tale has just created a kickstarter for a new Bard's Tale? I backed him.

    WithinAmnesiaJuliusBorisovSkatan
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859
    I'm not saying literally nothing but Bach has continued to be relevant, merely that all other composers of the error pale in comparison. I can't think of any other period so thoroughly dominated by one musician/composer. His only real competition was Handel. Others certainly existed, but he personally extended the Baroque period until his death, and the Classical period was not kind to the Baroque style; even the term 'Baroque' was meant to express disrespect. Of course, Bach's rebellious nature might have played a big role in the growth of the 'music business', meaning later eras had many more composers with increased freedom.

    I generally prefer the Romantic period though, even the ridiculous Wagner. I do have a huge fondness for the pipe organ though, much more than piano. Imho, go big or go home! (Yes, I played trombone in highschool...)

    On topic, PsT and BG2 have certainly been referred to as an interactive novel, though BG1 is more of a game. IWD also has significant novelesque characteristics, but with so much of the dialogue so spaced out by an hour or two of dungeoncrawling, you tend to lose immersion sometimes. Mind you, first time through was pretty immersive for me.

    WithinAmnesiaSouthpaw
  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    edited June 2015
    Southpaw said:

    I've played Bard's Tale (I cannot get the colour patch to work out D:) "on a quarter of my actual screen..." too @Southpaw ! :)

    @WithinAmnesia - do you know that the creator of Bard's Tale has just created a kickstarter for a new Bard's Tale? I backed him.
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/the-bards-tale-iv

    *Complained about crappy games on the market - watches and remembers about InXile* Well, That solves it. Where the F*ck is that bank card.. WHERE IS IT!?!?! _._

    Post edited by WithinAmnesia on
    SouthpawSkatan
  • LMTR14LMTR14 Member Posts: 165
    in 15 years, I'll be rich and direct the movie. people will remember...

    typo_tillyWithinAmnesia
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859
    Produce very, very carefully... its easy to make a very, very bad fantasy or sci-fi movie, and incredibly expensive to make a really good one.

    Mind you, money alone doesn't guarantee a good movie, but as The Hobbit beat into the ground, money will make it possible to make a trillogy that takes as long to watch as the book takes to read. And it STILL POed many uberfans.

    So, if you're going to be fabulously wealthy, consider forcing PeterJackson to direct, or at least help produce. ;)

    atcDaveWithinAmnesia
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,815
    Pity I don't know Peter Jackson. The biggest obstacle to creating such a movie is simply making contact with somebody who could fund it. Much of screenwriting's success depends on the screenwriter's ability to market his or her work--even more so than with normal book publishing. Naturally, a BG movie, especially BG2, would require a substantial budget, and a talented director, which is why I haven't generally viewed the project as viable. If there was much interest in a movie from the community, then it might be more practical to start looking for producers. But right now, I've got normal job applications to deal with, and trying to promote a would-be movie instead would be very risky, to say the least.

    WithinAmnesiaSouthpaw
  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    edited June 2015
    I cringe at the prospect of a Baldur's Gate movie.. The directors and modern production all suck in one way or another.. :/

  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859
    I definately do not agree movies were consistently better in the past; I think the average is noticeably better, unless you count questionable low-budget straight to DVD movies, which are a REALLY mixed bag; however, I think most of the really, really crummy movies are salvaged by significantly higher standards... tons of people work on every movie, and often there are lots of producers, meaning issues tend to be caught. This is by no means perfect, but lots of really terrible/problematic movies exist where somebody should have made an issue.

    I 2ould agree though that while committee style production management usually avoids complete crap, its much harder to make a 'great' movie that way. Too many artists working on one project tend to produce a less creative project, meaning both less high and low moments of quality. We can see this in games too.

  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    @DreadKhan Older movies where.. A different style and some were very amazing and most are forgettable.. Although I would like a movie for Baldur's Gate but.. I just do not see a 'just way' to do it as of Yet. Although that does not mean that an amazing movie could not be created.. I just really do not want a mediocre or heaven forbid a 'crap' movie akin to 95% of Video Game Movies. *Fingers Crossed: Warcraft*

    I look around myself and I am am disappointed. We have ability but we lack direction, we have creativity yet we stick to tight dead lines, we have great budgets yet we throw money at are problems instead of finding a solution.. In the Heart of Greed there is no greatness of the Human Spirit. In the Human Spirit there is no greatness without the triumph over the Heart of Greed.

    I look around myself and and I see so many Hearts of Greed in positions of creativity, yet I hold my hands high and I count the empowered creative hearts; one finger by one finger.. I have spare fingers my friend.

  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859
    I think some studios could handle making a videogame movie that isn't complete rubbish; many of the same problems comic book movies had are the same ones that ruin videogame movies. The solutions exist; they just need to be applied now I suppose.

    I suspect a game as vast as BG would need lots of screen time to work, not unlike the +3 hours Tolkien movies, that or be a TV series. It'd be hard to sum up SoA in 3 hours even. It might make more business sense to make BG2 first, as its a more thorough story, and more linear-feeling. The annoying part of that would be then making Bg1 as a prequel if BG2 worked, and BG1 would seem strange indeed, unless you made the transition betwern the two much longer, at least 5-10 years, MAYBE 15-20. The Bhaalspawn could be different actors, and this would dodge some of the issue of 'how the **** did Bhaslspawn go from a noob holding his sword by the wrong end to a complete badass mofo in 1 year?'. By BG2 you're fighting powerful Vampires, BG1 you're poking at kobolds. :sweat:

    I may like Sarevok more than Irenicus, but Irenicus could be pretty damn cinematic.

    WithinAmnesia
  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    edited June 2015
    (Edit: *400th comment*)
    I am pretty tired right now but I hope this makes some assemblance of a logical thought process @DreadKhan

    I love Baldur's Gate, I think if you post here on a regular basis; you too love Baldur's Gate I presume.

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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108255/
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419706/
    http://filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/the-10-worst-video-game-movies-in-history.php

    ^ I don't want that to happen to Baldur's Gate.

    Yes fallacy train, fallacy horn, what ever. I want this and this to succeed: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/ and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803096/

    I just want it do right and I see a lot of things that could go very very very very very very Very VERY wrong with a film adaptation. Baldur's Gate is one of the Greatest Role Playing Games of all time..

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  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,815
    @DreadKhan: In my version, the Bhaalspawn went from "a noob holding his sword by the wrong end to a complete badass mofo in 1 year" using Divination magic. By the end of BG1, he can see 2 seconds into the future with perfect clarity, and a little further in less detail. Makes him an excellent duelist.

    But perfect reflexes don't mean perfect fighting, particularly since Charname is still a puny Cleric/Mage with 10 STR. Sarevok figures out Charname's strategy and learns how to counter it--Sarevok is smart, and just as vicious in the final battle as he is when he's bisecting Gorion in the intro. I want Charname to show off the fruits of his labors, but Sarevok is not going to fall on his back just because it's the final battle. Sarevok is going to be terrifying at every stage, as a good villain should be.

    WithinAmnesia
  • AdulAdul Member Posts: 2,002
    What constitutes a game being "alive" in discussions like this? Having one person play it regularly? Or hundreds? Why not millions? Seems like an arbitrary line, wherever it is.

    BG is the game I can't go on too long without playing. Other games have tried to invade that spot, but none have really come very close so far. I doubt I'm in any way unique in this. There must be a bunch of people out there who will play these games as long as they're alive.

    WithinAmnesiaNimranJuliusBorisov
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,859

    @DreadKhan: In my version, the Bhaalspawn went from "a noob holding his sword by the wrong end to a complete badass mofo in 1 year" using Divination magic. By the end of BG1, he can see 2 seconds into the future with perfect clarity, and a little further in less detail. Makes him an excellent duelist.

    But perfect reflexes don't mean perfect fighting, particularly since Charname is still a puny Cleric/Mage with 10 STR. Sarevok figures out Charname's strategy and learns how to counter it--Sarevok is smart, and just as vicious in the final battle as he is when he's bisecting Gorion in the intro. I want Charname to show off the fruits of his labors, but Sarevok is not going to fall on his back just because it's the final battle. Sarevok is going to be terrifying at every stage, as a good villain should be.

    Well, I was referring to the time between BG1 and 2, lengthening it out. No reason a movie would have to keep the scheduel, and 'trying to be true to the game' can quickly make a 'based on' movie garbage. Just because something worked in a game doesn't mean it'll be watchable in a movie. Keep what works, and change what does not.

    semiticgoddesselminster
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    ...well. It's probably not that difficult to have a BG movie made.
    "Just take the novelization, convert it to a script and let Uwe Boll direct it" (I'm being super-ironic of course)

    Adul
  • SkatanSkatan Member, Moderator Posts: 5,292
    edited June 2015
    I think that movies based on popular books etc have been proved again and again lately that they can be very, very good. LotR being the most obvious example, but also GoT as a TV show might just be a better medium for the BG saga. True, most movies based on games suck ass, but that's only partly due to the fact that crappy directors and lack of funds made the end result into a mess, most of the times the story from games just isn't good enough to transition to a movie/show without serious rewriting in order to make it work.

    A series of movies or a lenghty TV show of the full saga would be an amazing way to keep the game alive for another 15 years. It would spark interrest to the lore and the setting of the game and, probably, spark a gazillion of expanded franchises based on FR. BG has something others don't, an amazing and intrigueing main story with a very classical protagonist and antagonist. It has all the side characters already in the game, some with fleshed out backstories which could be used pretty much straight up in the movie/show, so you wouldn't even have to add anything. They could theoretically even use some of the in-game conversations and banter!

    Oh man, writing this made me super-psyched on the idea. I'm not a huge fan of GoT, but I would love to see that level of the production and effort be put into creating BG - the movie/show.

    But how the hell would one choose a 'class' for CHARNAME? :) Aah, imagine being in a conference room together with the core team of writers, debating the class of the charname and which companions you should put into the movie! Hah, I would give a testicle to be part of that.

  • AdulAdul Member Posts: 2,002
    edited June 2015
    I can imagine a pretty great TV show about the rise and fall of the Iron Throne. That particular storyline has enough arcs to easily carry a show. Let's see...

    - CHARNAME's party always being up to their usual shenanigans.
    - Tazok/Tranzig/Mulahey carrying out the iron shortage through their bandit raids and iron poisoning.
    - Rieltar betraying Yeslick and Davaeorn capturing the Orothair mines.
    - Sarevok betraying his step-dad and the Iron Throne.
    - Iron Throne corporate dealing with aforementioned betrayal.
    - Whatever internal drama must be going on inside Sarevok's little band of misfits (not to mention the Sarevok-Tamoko-Cythandria love triangle).
    - The Grand Dukes dealing with the rising tensions between BG and Amn.
    - The doppelganger subterfuge of the political and capital powers of BG.
    - The incredibly disturbing romantic adventures of Slythe and Krystin.
    - Shadow Thief and Zhentarim agents dealing with the false accusations against their organizations.
    - Harpers. Just... Harpers.

    And sure enough, CHARNAME and his party would be the least interesting part of that show. :smiley:

    JuliusBorisovWithinAmnesiaSkatan
  • SkatanSkatan Member, Moderator Posts: 5,292
    I'm gonna throw out the one question EVERYONE would discuss if this venture would ever come to fruition:

    Which actor would play the magnificent role of Noober?

    AdulSouthpawNimran
  • WithinAmnesiaWithinAmnesia Member Posts: 927
    edited June 2015
    @Skatan "Which actor would play the magnificent role of Noober?" -Uwe Boll and maybe Micheal Bay as Neeber.
    (Yes they are not 'actors' per se, but hey they can be pretty annoying with their screen plays.)

    SkatanTuth
  • wojtekwojtek Member Posts: 311
    i don't follow all this discussion now , i just saw something and must write fast , please don't say me that BG 3 will be arised in 15 years , it must be earlier , BG deserves it , BG fans desreved it , all BG fans around the world , and also connected with the world of game developping should get around this thing

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