Anyone out there share this feeling?(spoilers)
Bubbles
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Whenever I play BG2 or the EE version, I always feel obligated to have Imoene in my party.
I dunno why, for some strange reason (maybe is the storyline?), I can't make myself to drop her.
I can drop Jaheira as I really don't like her personality, Minsc is too noisy (although cute n funny but if you click on him he shouts alot).
Anyone share this Imoene feeling out there?
I dunno why, for some strange reason (maybe is the storyline?), I can't make myself to drop her.
I can drop Jaheira as I really don't like her personality, Minsc is too noisy (although cute n funny but if you click on him he shouts alot).
Anyone share this Imoene feeling out there?
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- when I come for her in the Spellhold, my party is already set and those who are in the party cannot be dropped because:
-- they're higher level, have spells learned and ablities chosen as I wished
-- they're an integral part of the playthrough because of all those quests they went through in the chapters 2 and 3
- Imoen was nearly silent in BG1, and lost in comparison with other thieves there, and I didn't take her in my BG1 party because of that reason. And I play BG2 only with characters who went though BG1 and thus I get used to not having Imoen in the party
- the content in SoA for Imoen with the party is not enough. In ToB with the Ascension mod, yes, but in SoA, it's not enough
- I find other characters better suited for my needs (better thief, better mages)
- I adore Yoshimo and can't accept the original developers decided it's actually Yoshimo who should die, and not Imoen
- Add to that Imoen was a late addition to nearly fully done BG1, and you get my understanding and views on Imoen
Well currently I paused my run with the 5 EE NPCs for the reason of Imoene, still trying hard to convince myself to go spellhold then ditch Imoene..... arrgghhhh hate that decision (maybe I am too neutral good with alot of Lawful tendencies O_o).
@bengoshi, I guess I can't drop Imoene for 1 reason, can't make myself to leave her behind in a dark place like spellhold (how I wish there could be a 7th slot every so often). For Yoshimo, I like his personality very much. I will often use tweak pack on him in BG2 non EE (I don't wanna messed up EE core files and get wierd bugs, frankly I still like patch version 1.2030 better than the current but they say cant reverse the patch and can't have a manual version of patch 1.2030 otherwise I would have uninstalled this game and re-download + manual patching).
Why waste time and take big risk of facing a host of Cowled Wizards? ^^ well,ok maybe for my missing taint I guess O_o
In BG1, Imoen, Kagain, Kivan and Viconia always seemed to become the core of my parties (the 6th slot was up for grabs, though I was partial to Shar-Teel dualled to a thief at level 3 so that Imoen could canonically dual to a mage at level 7).
In BG2, it was always Imoen, Korgan and Viconia. The other 2 slots were generally between the likes of Nalia, Jan, Mazzy, Yoshimo and Sarevok.
I can understand the canon rationale for Jaheira and Khalid, as Gorion's friends and your "guardians", but these 2 rarely made my parties. Especially playing no-reload, going straight to the FAI at level 1 and facing Tarnesh was not a particularly successful strategy; much easier to go to Beregost and High Hedge to recruit the powerhouses that are Kagain and Kivan, and then hand Tarnesh his backside.
I don't think there's any good reason for Minsc and Dynaheir to be the other canon members, other than they are a pair of "good" (alignment) characters that the developers happened to choose.
So my canon is that after BG1, my party disbanded (other than Imoen who was still with me). Meanwhile J&K independently got together with M&D and they were tracking my PC and Imoen cos they wanted to join our crew (they would have been told to do one) when Irenicus struck. So my PC will free J and M and tell them to go on their merry way while he and Imoen stick together.
I will only have Minsc in the party if I play UB mod in the old BG2.
@dunbar, oh yeah I remember when I first play BG1 i have no idea of the plot too and this Imoene acting like some "cute" schoolgirl came after me. My first thought was, is she supposed to me my PC's secret admirer or childhood "girlfriend" that refused to get ditched? X_X
As for Imoen, it depends on my playthrough, when I play a good playthrough I always make room for her before I go to Brynnlaw (except if I have Yoshimo of course) or play a permanent 5 member party with one member I pick to do his/her quest and then send him/her away.
And when I want to pick Sarevok (which I hardly ever do) I just roleplay it as one of my party members who wishes to take his leave after the battle in Hell, thus willing to make room for Sarevok.
If playing Evil (except lawful evil) or CN I just say I m going for Irenicus and I don't care about Imoen.
Honestly its not just Imoen. My playthroughs almost always consist of the "canon" party. Minsc, Imoen, Aerie are always in the party. Ive gotten kind of tired of Jaheria but shes always in the party.
Keldorn is too, but I always feel bad about keeping him from his family. I could role play him turning his wife in and dedicating himself to the PCs cause, but me as a real person have a hard time doing it. LOL
--- Granted "fixing" Imoen can be done in Shadowkeeper.
The first run whithout immi, jah and minsk was a party of toons created by me in multiplayer and I really felt that something was wrong, I missed that old friends that I learned to know, trust and appreciate in the previous runs. This was a long time ago, now is different, only few times the ranger and the F/D are in my party, but still I feel guilty if I don't take whith me my little sister, in some runs I take her until she regain her soul, more often she is whith me until the end of ToB. Very seldom I leave her in Spellhod.
But I agree whith @bengoshi on many of his points, usually she is uderlevelled as I use mainly parties of 3 or 4 and is not so usefull as my parties are full of arcane casters, an uderlevelledT/M has few to add.
So I often change her in a Blade or a sorcerer, 2 single classes that I love and level faster than the rest of the party that usually is a mix of self created and NPC multiclass, the level gap closes fast. Sometimes I use also a mod (don't know if EE compatible) that if you take Yoshimo to spellhod transfer his XP to her, and I find the thing very interesting because I don't have to rush to spellhod or feel that I am wasting XP if I use him. But if is true that I lilke Thieves, real ones, not duals whith few levels in it, is also true that in my current PWGaming experimentation single classes don't suit well, I prefer Jan or a multi F/M/T, so usually I have Yoshi whith me only in the trip toward Spellhod.
Having Imoen whith me add 1 toon to my 3 or 4 optimized party, giving more micromanage hassle and breaking a balance of functions, but is one thing where RP almost prevails on PWGaming, usually my little sister is whith me until the end.
And about other npc's? I take them only for their quests and even so often I rescue Mazzy only for the final battle whith the Shadow Lord, I talk to Korgan only when that area of the graveyard is cleared and so on...
I am still pausing my 5 EE NPCs run because I can't get over ditching Imoene....
I really enjoy the 5 EE NPCs all at once in the party (kinda cute to bring a Grizzly right up Ribald's face ^^).
Those 5 NPCs are totally agreeable with each other saving charname the hassle of refereeing in a heavy-weight boxing match.
How I wish there is a 7th sleeper slot ....
Imoen is the best one for the part of "sidekick" (in a good way). She is a friend who has probably the same convictions as you do, but it is your differences that make you both grow as characters. I love her!
Weird to romance own sister x_x
She's technically a Bhaalspawn and shares no blood with the PC. She has Bhaal's taint not his blood. Let's not get into the semantics about it.
Honestly, she's a more viable and logical romance than any of the romances if you ask me. Viconia went from 2 dollar whore in BG1 to Hotness von Schtuup in BG2 somehow. Aerie is considerably more damaged than Imoen even after Irenicus steals her soul. And Jahiera is at least old enough to be your mother as well, plus she has a thing for weak, pandering sods. On the other hand, you grew up with Imoen in a place where she was the ONLY viable girl to fool around with. If you ask me I think it's impossible to argue that your PC and her never showed any attraction towards each other growing up. I'll be honest if it were me we'd have been married before we even left Candlekeep, and I'd have told Gorion "Up yours, you uppity bald(ing) virgin."
Who knows what spells the Harpers cast on these 2 to keep them from having "affections" for each other ^^ (the Harpers didn't raid the Priesthood of dead Bhaal so that they can find out if Bhaalspawns are sterile or not xD.
In BG2 she's essentially replaced by Yoshimo by default. You can also immediately get Nalia, Jan, or Hexxat with little effort. But yeah, you go from endless Thief options in BG1 to next slim pickings in BG2. While it may seem that they really cut down on the number of NPCs in the sequel (29-22), all that really happened was they trimmed the Thief options down from 7-4 (we won't count Yoshimo and Imoen as separate since they are designed to replace each other).
imo (and I am not a moderator) nothing wrong has been told so far, but don't forget about.
In our real life middle age and even later we had many marriages of akin, mainly in ruling families, and even if I have little lore about FR universe everybody can see how is modeled on our middle age.
Maybe in FR the marriage between half brother and sister is not the taboo that is in our modern world.
Like the marriage of mature sexually, but teen in our modern criterion, people. Teen that in other ages where percived as adult people, and that is why in that ages their marriage was not percived as something to condemn, the history is full of examples also about that.
So from a RP point of wiew I don't see too strange to romance Imoen, even if I never did or installed that mod.
Whithout debating if their parentage was taint or blood realted.
And this is not a justification of something that in our modern world is condamned, we have good reasons to do it. We must live and act according to our modern standards of morality.
And every embezzlement by an adult to a not adult has to be comdamned.
We have only 1 single class, that at a certain point of the game becomes unavaillable, a couple of mages whith few levels of thief, just basic trap disabling and door opening, and a multi, that can become a good thief but being multi levels slow. Maybe the new EE character is a viable alternative to him or a charname thief if you want something more than the basics.
But i think that OP's concern was about RP issues, not about thieves in the game.
We can talk about how each one of us balance between RP issues and thief problems or Immy's power or usefulness. But the point of the topic is
So, I have no qualms about ditching her both in BG1 and in Spellhold, it just comes down to party setup and party efficiency.
Gameplay-wise, there were just too many (usually better) alternatives. RP-wise, it just made no sense to bring Imoen along. Your PC was a marked man and Imoen was in her annoying/naive little sister stage. So I usually just leave her in Nashkel with Volo, Jaheira and Khalid. If those three (and possibly Elminster, who's basically Volo's unofficial guardian) can't keep her safe, no one can.
BG2 is another story. RP-wise, it made no sense to not bring her along, considering all she's been through. Also, the moment your PC turns into the Slayer for the first time alarms bells should be ringing.
Gameplay-wise, Imoen's not a bad NPC in general. Great stats, just enough Disarm Traps/Open Locks which you can further boost with gear. If you don't plan on bringing Jan/Hexxat and your PC isn't a thief then Nalia is pretty much her only competition.
Not everyone is a slave to their libido. Just as many adults will find the idea of an Imoen romance repulsive, and people don't have to be related by blood to be family.
It would be different, I suppose, if Imoen was the flirty type from the onset. Obviously that's not the case, in BG1 she acts like the spoiled brat sister and in BG2 she clearly looks up to you as the responsible sibling. You understand how people would instantly connect with her on a "she's my little sister" level so... eww, just eww.