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What does it take for a perfect game ?

brusbrus Member Posts: 944
edited February 2016 in Off-Topic
What would be your perfect game and how would you design it? Or even to surpass a game class. A playable virtuality or interactive movie.
What would be prefered gameplay mechanics and style, graphics, in-game physics, characterization, story...

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  • gorgonzolagorgonzola Member Posts: 3,864
    My perfect game already exist, chess game.

    But I would like a lot a game like @Kamigoroshi told, maybe just not Post-Apocalyptic Fantasy but sci-fi or fantasy like Lord of the Rings or BG.

    To be more realistic I would like also something like BG2, but with the best possible modern graphics (for ordinary home computers), option for both isometric 2d and poligonal 3d, with a super AI, at the level that modern computers can handle, using different tactics at each reload. And with a really friendly modding interface that let's a not modder write a quest in an evening, so the game is mainly an engine and the real plots and battles can be easily created and shared between the players community allowing to play the regolar plot + mod quests or even total conversions.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    I think you need a story like Ps:T's, and the gameplay depends on each person.

    I like both Baldur's Gate's and League of Legends' gameplay (and Skyrim's) but there's no way you could mix those (anyway: it has to be real-time. I don't like turn-based combat save for roguelikes and a bunch of actually good turn-based games), or if you manage to, that everyone would like that. I also like competitive multiplayer besides having a great single-player game. Also, it has to be modder friendly (at least like BG... Not like Pillars of Eternity or MOBAs).
  • OudynOudyn Member Posts: 74
    Perfect game? A game that has D&D rules and setting, and a complicated system in place that procedurally generates party banter between both custom and default party members, based on past interactions, personality, backstory, quests completed, etc... That would take a long time to get boring. And a long, long time to code.
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,653
    I have and play repeatedly several "perfect games" for me. But what makes them so? I have no idea. I can point to some characteristics in common, such that they need to have a magical setting, character classes with multiple build possibilities, and good, fun combat systems in them. I like bright colors and music with an optimistic tone. But there's nothing in particular that clearly defines it. I only know that I know a perfect game for me when I play it, because I want to keep playing it.

    I think it's a case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. You can have all the right parts present and still not have that mysterious emergence of a subjectively perfect game. So, who knows?
  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,875
    Any game that I can play for hours without getting bored is perfect enough for me. I can't tell for sure what goes into that, though. Something just clicks in my head and I can't figure out what, but if prevents me from putting the game down.
  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,875
    brus said:

    Nimran said:

    Any game that I can play for hours without getting bored is perfect enough for me. I can't tell for sure what goes into that, though. Something just clicks in my head and I can't figure out what, but if prevents me from putting the game down.

    Let me guess. Your perfect game involves cookies in some way. :wink:
    <_< >_> Maybe.






    :kissing_heart::cookie:
  • gorgonzolagorgonzola Member Posts: 3,864
    CrevsDaak said:

    I think you need a story like Ps:T's, and the gameplay depends on each person.

    .

    No, I need a lot more of that, you have not got my point.

    Let's start with an example, lot of people use spreadsheets, because is easy and quick to use them and to learn how to do it, few people write programs to accomplish the same things, because is time consuming and require more knowledge. In the past spreadsheets didn't exist and people had to learn basic or an other language and write his own programs or pay a programmer to do it, if a commercial program able to perform that specific thing didn't exist.
    Imo in adding content to games we are in that early stage, is possible to add new quests or different scripts enhancing the AI or create new NPCs. But is possible only for people with a specific knowledge and even for them is time consuming.
    A friendly modding interface, with libraries of scripts, facilities to create new ones without working at script level (but the possibility to do it), facilities to create new areas or edit existing ones, to create new plots and quests, in an easy and quick way is what I need. Something that make the modding easy and quick like configuring a spreadsheet opposite to write a program. Or using EEkeeper instead of editing the saves at hex level.

    Now the games have a lot of players, many experienced players and only few modders. With that easy and effective modding interface more experienced players could become modders, could add new content to the game. The number of modders would be much larger and their work much more effective (less time consuming), since they could use automated functions from the interface, libraries of scripts and so on.

    AFAIK there had been 3 total conversions of the original BG2 (total conversion is using the engine to create a new plot) and no one of them was completed. And there are many quest mods, but their number is limited, they are too much to be played in a single run, but very few if you want to change and have new content at each run.
    With that tool and a large modder community would be possible at each run to choose many never played quests or even total conversions, giving a completely different experience to the players that play a game more than few times. A large modder community would create an amount of new contents that a developer can only dream about.
    I am pretty happy of how I can play BG2 in many different ways, RP or PWG, different parties, quest order and different tactics in each battle, a little less happy in ToB that is more linear, and I don't think that PST would change much. I can change as player each run, the game is always the same.

    I don't know if some developers can be interested in investing money in developing a game with such interface. I am convinced that Bioware and now Beamdog did benefit of the (free) work of the modders, I doubt that without Weimer and his Weidu and all the mods out there the BG saga would have last 20 years and still be played, and sold, nowadays. A game with such interface would bring the thing at a new level where the players and not the modders add and share new content.

  • TeflonTeflon Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 515
    I still do not found perfect game yet so can not tell.
    But the games amused me since I was 12 years old had such things like replayability(I made up a word, srry) and made me curious about what will happen next, what will I get and what should I do in order to solve puzzles during gameplay.
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    A unrealistic set of expectations.
  • brunardobrunardo Member Posts: 526
    Planescape Torment too much RP/Dialogue not enough hack n slash, IWD lots of hack n slash not enough of the other...you need a blend of the two to make the perfect recipe...Baldurs gate!
  • brusbrus Member Posts: 944
    brunardo said:

    Planescape Torment too much RP/Dialogue not enough hack n slash, IWD lots of hack n slash not enough of the other...you need a blend of the two to make the perfect recipe...Baldurs gate!

    All what you've said with the gameplay of God of war 3 per character with pause; for my taste.
  • gorgonzolagorgonzola Member Posts: 3,864

    A unrealistic set of expectations.

    If you are referring to the expectations of @Teflon I don't think that are unrealistic at all.
    If a modding interface as I suggested is implemented in a game, and there is no technical impediment in doing it.
    What will happen next, what will be got and what should the player do in order to solve puzzles could be different during each gameplay because a whole community of players and not only few experienced modders could create and share new content in an easy and quick way.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    The perfect game is one that achieves the designer's vision with success, matches the player's expectations with no compromises, and delivers an experience that is worth remembering.

    Super Mario Bros. comes close. But the water levels ruin it.
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    @gorgonzola
    No I wasn't referring to him/her because I wasn't referring to anyone.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited February 2016
    There are numerous Zelda games that are nearly perfect, the closest being A Link to the Past, which actually probably is. Donkey Kong Country and Chrono Trigger are pretty damn close as well. God the SNES was a great game system. There are a couple dozen games that would easily score a 95% or higher from me on that console....
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    @Dee Dark Souls feels a bit like that.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018

    @Dee Dark Souls feels a bit like that.

    Hmmm... I am a HUGE fan of Dark Souls, but I admit that it had some flaws to it. I am not sure how close to the designers vision it ended up, but while I have spent more hours at both of the Dark Souls games than I care to admit, it did fail to meet my (admittedly extremely high) expectations on at least one or two levels.

    If we are looking for games that in subjective view did meet that level, Metroid Zero Mission is it for me.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    @the_spyder The criteria of @Dee is extremely subjective, so there is no point in arguing.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    This is the second person I've heard mention Metroid Zero Mission as being nearly perfect in the last two days....interesting....
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    @FinneousPJ - You won't get an argument from me.

    @jjstraka34 - If you are looking for a side scroller with tons of replayability and loads of fun going back and forth, Metroid Zero Mission is where it is at. It is about the only game that I still play on my DS anymore and it is probably the game that I have logged the most hours in ever...
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    @the_spyder @Dee BTW, here's a pretty good explanation of why I would nominate DS.

    https://youtu.be/2lnq44iwiVM
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    @FinneousPJ - Excellent video and i don't necessarily disagree with any part.

    Still, there are things in both Dark Souls games that could have been done better. I am not saying more to my personal liking or skill level, but objectively better. In both games, there is never a situation where more armor is going to be a better thing than being able to dodge the hit. That is a flaw as it doesn't allow for that particular play style to be fully explored to any success. Dark Souls 2 is bigger but it is quite linear and therefore not as "Open" as Dark Souls 1. Magic in PvP is kind of flawed so anyone truly focusing on that discipline is at a disadvantage against other players.

    In short there are areas that could have been done better but weren't. I admit that it is a phenomenal game and one of my all time favorites. I am just saying that it isn't as perfect as some might have you think.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    I agree that Dark Souls is at least very close to be perfect. It's a very monolithic game that will always transcend when it was made. It knows exactly what it wants to be in every aspect and then sets about implementing it with ruthless precision. A perfect game doesn't have to be your favorite or even what you think is the best, but the one that is very close to all those things and accomplishes 100% of what it wants to do.

    In my estimation, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Tetris, The Secret of Monkey Island, and Dark Souls come closest.
  • brusbrus Member Posts: 944
    Shadows of Amn also. ;)
  • chuukoguchuukogu Member Posts: 40
    Wonderful question, really. I can think of some requirements that are needed to make a good game imho.

    1. Presentation, which includes graphics and audio. They don't have to be stunning, but they have to be functional at the very least. Depending on subgenre, most players expect that a first person type of game or simulator has good looking graphics and sounds. More artistic games don't necessarily need Star Wars - budget graphics.
    2. Music... and atmosphere. Of course, the aforementioned graphics and audio contribute to the atmosphere of the game. Good soundtrack can make or break the atmosphere, but the way I see it, it's also about countless of other things.
    3. Learning curve and challenge. I think that a good game is easy to learn but hard to master. Tutorials are a good way to teach new players, but they should be entertaining to veteran players or optional.
    4. The focus. It's good to remember that even a "perfect" game can't indeed please everyone. A game that tries to accomplish everything may also fail in everything. For example, a game that is clearly meant to be a multiplayer game doesn't necessarily benefit from a singleplayer mode and vice versa. Especially with limited development time and resources, it might be better to focus on what your game does best.
    5. The ease of modding is a good point. There aren't many negative points to modding, really. However, especially multiplayer games should be designed so that installing mods isn't a requirement to join a specific server, and that mods can't be used to gain an unfair advantage over other players.
    6. Close relative to modding, player avatar/vehicle/profile/christmas stocking customization is a very good thing to have. Of course, some specific genres simply don't need this.
    7. Replayability. A PvP game has potentially tons of replayability, since no two multiplayer matches are the same. For singleplayer games, modding, alternate ways of completing the game, hidden things and REASONABLY priced dlcs add to replayability. Imho a cheap game doesn't necessarily need replayability to be a good game.

    These are requirements of a good game, just from the top of my head. I imagine that a perfect game meets most of these requirements in some way... and gives something unique that makes it stand out from (most) other games. I'd say that the new Elite is a good game, at least if you like space games. Unfortunately, it's not perfect, because it has the requirement of being always online, even when it would work better as a singleplayer game. As I see it, players don't even have the option of playing offline, even if they can opt out of encountering other players. For those who this is simply a non-issue, it can indeed be a perfect game.
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