Does anyone else find these images somewhat disturbing?
I didn't even click the spoiler tag. The whole "harr harr, reason you don't see dwarven women is because they have beards too!" joke is one I've always found to be really stupid so I just tend to skip posts with such content.
@Oxford_Guy: In canon FR, the only female dwarves that grow beards are gold dwarves, and even then, it is not nearly ubiquitous.
Perhaps in the 4th edition, but not in 1st edition/AD&D. The only dwarven woman who actually shave are some surface-dwelling shield dwarves. Any other dwarven ladies let their beards grow. Well, with the exception of arctic dwarves and perhaps Urdunnir, since they are not able to grow beards that is.
@Oxford_Guy: In canon FR, the only female dwarves that grow beards are gold dwarves, and even then, it is not nearly ubiquitous.
Perhaps in the 4th edition, but not in 1st edition/AD&D. The only dwarven woman who actually shave are some surface-dwelling shield dwarves. Any other dwarven ladies let their beards grow. Well, with the exception of arctic dwarves and perhaps Urdunnir, since they are not able to grow beards that is.
I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.
@lDanielHolm Well, bearded female dwarves are not meant to be attractive to human, elves or other races, but to male dwarves. I would say that it is normal that you (or any other human) do not like a bearded female dwarf, but this is not a reason why they shouldn't exist! The same goes for half-orcs; I doubt if anyone finds them attractive, but is this a reason to remove them from the FR?
I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.
Any published source relating to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting by TSR or WotC is canon--no matter the editions. The only difference is that Baldur's Gate uses the AD&D second edition rules where female dwarves have beards.
@Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.
@Godwine: Unfortunately, that is the first step I also take when I Baldurize images. If you zoom in on her face, you'll see the biggest obstacle: It's a single skin tone with a single lighting source. That basically makes it virtually impossible to add the BG-style toning without artificial shadows. However, in line with what @Aedan has suggested, I did make her more accurate as a FR character by changing the amulet to be the symbol of Auril. (You can see it best in the large version below.) I'll likely make similar changes on a few of the past portraits.
@Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.
@Isandir Haha! Yes! But why kill the pointed goatee?! I think it adds to his "prickliness" or his aristocratic pretty "don't-touch-me-ness". But seriously, this is wonderful, I like it--makes it so much clearer too, brought him out from the obscurity of the shadows. Thanks for doing it!
For Sarevok, I always imagined Michael Dorn filling the role. He had the stage presence, fantasy/sci-fi background (as Worf), and that deep, rumbling voice that could intimidate. While he's too old for the role now, it's always nice to dream... Like each of the others I will make, this one tweaks his canon appearance a bit, but I try to add details to evoke the original.
In Baldur's Gate II Michael Dorn played the voice of Bhaal in the dream where Irenicus takes your essence
I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.
Any published source relating to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting by TSR or WotC is canon--no matter the editions. The only difference is that Baldur's Gate uses the AD&D second edition rules where female dwarves have beards.
No, it isn't. Any material which has been superseded by newer material is no longer part of the overall canon. That is the definition of canon--that which makes up the continuity of the work.
When new material directly contradicts older material, the new material is "correct" in terms of continuity, i.e. in terms of canon.
No, it isn't. Any material which has been superseded by newer material is no longer part of the overall canon. That is the definition of canon--that which makes up the continuity of the work.
When new material directly contradicts older material, the new material is "correct" in terms of continuity, i.e. in terms of canon.
Well, according to the father of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, Ed Greenwood, it indeed is. Personally, I share his view about this topic at hand. But let's end this already, we've derailed this thread more than enough and may just as well agree to disagree.
Still no takers for creating some bearded dwarven women portraits, I presume?
Well, according to the father of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, Ed Greenwood, it indeed is. Personally, I share his view about this topic at hand. But let's end this already, we've derailed this thread more than enough and may just as well agree to disagree.
Ed Greenwood's view on the topic matters as little as mine does--he no longer owns the setting. The definition of a term is not a matter of opinion, and it is not something we can really 'disagree' on--that's how language generally works. Canon in this context means "that which comprises the continuity of a work"; and the owners of said work decide what that is.
You are, of course, perfectly free to follow whatever canon you wish in your own games, but that does not make my original statement wrong. I personally do not use post-Spellplague FR at all, but I also do not call my games FR canon.
Ed Greenwood's view on the topic matters as little as mine does--he no longer owns the setting. The definition of a term is not a matter of opinion, and it is not something we can really 'disagree' on--that's how language generally works. Canon in this context means "that which comprises the continuity of a work"; and the owners of said work decide what that is.
You are, of course, perfectly free to follow whatever canon you wish in your own games, but that does not make my original statement wrong. I personally do not use post-Spellplague FR at all, but I also do not call my games FR canon.
@Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.
@Isandir Haha! Yes! But why kill the pointed goatee?! I think it adds to his "prickliness" or his aristocratic pretty "don't-touch-me-ness". But seriously, this is wonderful, I like it--makes it so much clearer too, brought him out from the obscurity of the shadows. Thanks for doing it!
True, the goatee has to be retained. Still, it's nicely done though. Looks like someone Baeloth and Edwin would have some arrogant, witty, and funny arguments with.
True, the goatee has to be retained. Still, it's nicely done though. Looks like someone Baeloth and Edwin would have some arrogant, witty, and funny arguments with.
You are right! Actually I plan to roll as a half-elf jester but maybe I should have him be half-drow instead. Do you think that could work with him? What would it mean? Dark skin, white hair and semi-pointy ears??
I am thinking PC half-drow Jester, Viconia, Dorn, Montaron, and Edwin until I can find another more underdarky wizard. Half-breed/Drow-led war party. And everyone Neutral Evil. Our insults and arguments with each other would serve as intermezzi to actual altercations with enemies. That'd be perfect for me. Hard to do?
I am thinking PC half-drow Jester, Viconia, Dorn, Montaron, and Edwin until I can find another more underdarky wizard. Half-breed/Drow-led war party. And everyone Neutral Evil. Our insults and arguments with each other would serve as intermezzi to actual altercations with enemies. That'd be perfect for me. Hard to do?
That's an awesome idea. I might try that some time. The race is entirely optional though, the attitude of the guy in the portrait shows regardless of the race chosen. He'd still look like someone you'd be pissed off in real life.:D
You are right! Actually I plan to roll as a half-elf jester but maybe I should have him be half-drow instead. Do you think that could work with him? What would it mean? Dark skin, white hair and semi-pointy ears??
Had a quick look in Neverwinter Nights 2's character editor, since it lets you play Half-Drow, and like Half-Elves it seems they can have humanish skin tones and eye/hair colours. Not sure how accurate that is though.
I'm a bit swamped with work right now, and another portrait project, but I'll try to put together an alternate half-drow version this weekend.
Work... thanks for reminding me. I'm simply glad you took on the project at all. Love the current portrait, tho excited to see what else you can do with it. Take your time; I'm still waiting for the game's freakin' mac release...
All the talk of half-elves and beauty (or a lack thereof) got me thinking last night. Combine that with browsing through portraits while trying to find a crazed look, and this is what happens. I haven't played the game, but from what I hear, he fits the definition quite well.
Did I ever told you.... the definition of insanity?
All the talk of half-elves and beauty (or a lack thereof) got me thinking last night. Combine that with browsing through portraits while trying to find a crazed look, and this is what happens. I haven't played the game, but from what I hear, he fits the definition quite well.
OMG this is splendid ! (just a bit too dark I'd say, comparing it to the other portraits of the game, but I think I'm gonna play him right NOW)
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@Godwine: Unfortunately, that is the first step I also take when I Baldurize images. If you zoom in on her face, you'll see the biggest obstacle: It's a single skin tone with a single lighting source. That basically makes it virtually impossible to add the BG-style toning without artificial shadows. However, in line with what @Aedan has suggested, I did make her more accurate as a FR character by changing the amulet to be the symbol of Auril. (You can see it best in the large version below.) I'll likely make similar changes on a few of the past portraits.
When new material directly contradicts older material, the new material is "correct" in terms of continuity, i.e. in terms of canon.
Very nice indeed.
I also love the biggest resolution.
Still no takers for creating some bearded dwarven women portraits, I presume?
reminds me of the skyrim glitch/easteregg that would spawn some draugr women with beards :P
The definition of a term is not a matter of opinion, and it is not something we can really 'disagree' on--that's how language generally works. Canon in this context means "that which comprises the continuity of a work"; and the owners of said work decide what that is.
You are, of course, perfectly free to follow whatever canon you wish in your own games, but that does not make my original statement wrong. I personally do not use post-Spellplague FR at all, but I also do not call my games FR canon.
The true canon is that Han shot first.
Nice. She looks gorgeous! ...and familiar. I'm almost 100% she's based from an actress. True, the goatee has to be retained. Still, it's nicely done though. Looks like someone Baeloth and Edwin would have some arrogant, witty, and funny arguments with.
I am thinking PC half-drow Jester, Viconia, Dorn, Montaron, and Edwin until I can find another more underdarky wizard. Half-breed/Drow-led war party. And everyone Neutral Evil. Our insults and arguments with each other would serve as intermezzi to actual altercations with enemies. That'd be perfect for me. Hard to do?
OMG this is splendid !
(just a bit too dark I'd say, comparing it to the other portraits of the game, but I think I'm gonna play him right NOW)
Here's the lovely bard Sharwyn from Neverwinter Nights.
And here's an alternate Neera using Beamdog's extra artwork, for those who are tired of Neera's in-game portrait.