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  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207

    Does anyone else find these images somewhat disturbing?

    I didn't even click the spoiler tag. The whole "harr harr, reason you don't see dwarven women is because they have beards too!" joke is one I've always found to be really stupid so I just tend to skip posts with such content.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870

    @Oxford_Guy: In canon FR, the only female dwarves that grow beards are gold dwarves, and even then, it is not nearly ubiquitous.

    Perhaps in the 4th edition, but not in 1st edition/AD&D. The only dwarven woman who actually shave are some surface-dwelling shield dwarves. Any other dwarven ladies let their beards grow. Well, with the exception of arctic dwarves and perhaps Urdunnir, since they are not able to grow beards that is.
  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225

    @Oxford_Guy: In canon FR, the only female dwarves that grow beards are gold dwarves, and even then, it is not nearly ubiquitous.

    Perhaps in the 4th edition, but not in 1st edition/AD&D. The only dwarven woman who actually shave are some surface-dwelling shield dwarves. Any other dwarven ladies let their beards grow. Well, with the exception of arctic dwarves and perhaps Urdunnir, since they are not able to grow beards that is.
    I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.
  • RadhamanthysRadhamanthys Member Posts: 106
    @lDanielHolm Well, bearded female dwarves are not meant to be attractive to human, elves or other races, but to male dwarves. I would say that it is normal that you (or any other human) do not like a bearded female dwarf, but this is not a reason why they shouldn't exist! The same goes for half-orcs; I doubt if anyone finds them attractive, but is this a reason to remove them from the FR?
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    @Oxford_Guy: I'm probably weird, but the blue lipstick is what disturbs me most. Only necromancers and their creations should have blue lips.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870

    I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.

    Any published source relating to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting by TSR or WotC is canon--no matter the editions. The only difference is that Baldur's Gate uses the AD&D second edition rules where female dwarves have beards.
  • IxtabaiIxtabai Member Posts: 23
    Isandir said:

    @Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.

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    @Isandir Haha! Yes! But why kill the pointed goatee?! I think it adds to his "prickliness" or his aristocratic pretty "don't-touch-me-ness". But seriously, this is wonderful, I like it--makes it so much clearer too, brought him out from the obscurity of the shadows. Thanks for doing it!
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Isandir said:

    @Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.

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    I like it! :-)
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Isandir said:



    For Sarevok, I always imagined Michael Dorn filling the role. He had the stage presence, fantasy/sci-fi background (as Worf), and that deep, rumbling voice that could intimidate. While he's too old for the role now, it's always nice to dream... Like each of the others I will make, this one tweaks his canon appearance a bit, but I try to add details to evoke the original.

    In Baldur's Gate II Michael Dorn played the voice of Bhaal in the dream where Irenicus takes your essence

  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225

    I did specify canon FR. If you wish to run it as per the outdated material, you are of course free to do so, but personally, I would have changed this even before they made it official--I do not see the appeal in bearded women, dwarves or not.

    Any published source relating to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting by TSR or WotC is canon--no matter the editions. The only difference is that Baldur's Gate uses the AD&D second edition rules where female dwarves have beards.
    No, it isn't. Any material which has been superseded by newer material is no longer part of the overall canon. That is the definition of canon--that which makes up the continuity of the work.

    When new material directly contradicts older material, the new material is "correct" in terms of continuity, i.e. in terms of canon.
  • AedanAedan Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 8,551
    Isandir said:

    However, in line with what @Aedan has suggested, I did make her more accurate as a FR character by changing the amulet to be the symbol of Auril.

    I appreciated it a lot. Now I can even play as a priestess of Auril!
    Very nice indeed.
    I also love the biggest resolution.

  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870


    No, it isn't. Any material which has been superseded by newer material is no longer part of the overall canon. That is the definition of canon--that which makes up the continuity of the work.

    When new material directly contradicts older material, the new material is "correct" in terms of continuity, i.e. in terms of canon.

    Well, according to the father of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, Ed Greenwood, it indeed is. Personally, I share his view about this topic at hand. But let's end this already, we've derailed this thread more than enough and may just as well agree to disagree.



    Still no takers for creating some bearded dwarven women portraits, I presume?
  • KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216
    @Kamigoroshi
    reminds me of the skyrim glitch/easteregg that would spawn some draugr women with beards :P
  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225

    Well, according to the father of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, Ed Greenwood, it indeed is. Personally, I share his view about this topic at hand. But let's end this already, we've derailed this thread more than enough and may just as well agree to disagree.

    Ed Greenwood's view on the topic matters as little as mine does--he no longer owns the setting.
    The definition of a term is not a matter of opinion, and it is not something we can really 'disagree' on--that's how language generally works. Canon in this context means "that which comprises the continuity of a work"; and the owners of said work decide what that is.

    You are, of course, perfectly free to follow whatever canon you wish in your own games, but that does not make my original statement wrong. I personally do not use post-Spellplague FR at all, but I also do not call my games FR canon.
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376


    Ed Greenwood's view on the topic matters as little as mine does--he no longer owns the setting.
    The definition of a term is not a matter of opinion, and it is not something we can really 'disagree' on--that's how language generally works. Canon in this context means "that which comprises the continuity of a work"; and the owners of said work decide what that is.

    You are, of course, perfectly free to follow whatever canon you wish in your own games, but that does not make my original statement wrong. I personally do not use post-Spellplague FR at all, but I also do not call my games FR canon.

    I have to disagree on this.

    The true canon is that Han shot first.

  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225
    AHF said:

    I have to disagree on this.

    The true canon is that Han shot first.

    Well, yes, of course. :)
  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207

    AHF said:

    I have to disagree on this.

    The true canon is that Han shot first.

    Well, yes, of course. :)
    I disagree. Greedo never shot at all, thus Han didn't shoot "first".
  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    edited January 2013
    @Pantalion
    Nice.
    DarkDogg said:


    10Image and video hosting by TinyPic Red hood mage

    She looks gorgeous! ...and familiar. I'm almost 100% she's based from an actress.
    Ixtabai said:

    Isandir said:

    @Ixtabai: How is this adaptation? I left the spiky hair, but I'm sorry: I just couldn't bring myself to keep that pointed goatee.

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    @Isandir Haha! Yes! But why kill the pointed goatee?! I think it adds to his "prickliness" or his aristocratic pretty "don't-touch-me-ness". But seriously, this is wonderful, I like it--makes it so much clearer too, brought him out from the obscurity of the shadows. Thanks for doing it!
    True, the goatee has to be retained. Still, it's nicely done though. Looks like someone Baeloth and Edwin would have some arrogant, witty, and funny arguments with.
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  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    edited January 2013
    EDIT: double post, sorry
  • IxtabaiIxtabai Member Posts: 23
    @Fredamora
    fredamora said:


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    True, the goatee has to be retained. Still, it's nicely done though. Looks like someone Baeloth and Edwin would have some arrogant, witty, and funny arguments with.

    You are right! Actually I plan to roll as a half-elf jester but maybe I should have him be half-drow instead. Do you think that could work with him? What would it mean? Dark skin, white hair and semi-pointy ears??

    I am thinking PC half-drow Jester, Viconia, Dorn, Montaron, and Edwin until I can find another more underdarky wizard. Half-breed/Drow-led war party. And everyone Neutral Evil. Our insults and arguments with each other would serve as intermezzi to actual altercations with enemies. That'd be perfect for me. Hard to do?
  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    Ixtabai said:


    I am thinking PC half-drow Jester, Viconia, Dorn, Montaron, and Edwin until I can find another more underdarky wizard. Half-breed/Drow-led war party. And everyone Neutral Evil. Our insults and arguments with each other would serve as intermezzi to actual altercations with enemies. That'd be perfect for me. Hard to do?

    That's an awesome idea. I might try that some time. The race is entirely optional though, the attitude of the guy in the portrait shows regardless of the race chosen. He'd still look like someone you'd be pissed off in real life.:D

  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207
    Ixtabai said:

    You are right! Actually I plan to roll as a half-elf jester but maybe I should have him be half-drow instead. Do you think that could work with him? What would it mean? Dark skin, white hair and semi-pointy ears??

    Had a quick look in Neverwinter Nights 2's character editor, since it lets you play Half-Drow, and like Half-Elves it seems they can have humanish skin tones and eye/hair colours. Not sure how accurate that is though.
  • IsandirIsandir Member Posts: 458
    I'm a bit swamped with work right now, and another portrait project, but I'll try to put together an alternate half-drow version this weekend.
  • IxtabaiIxtabai Member Posts: 23
    Isandir said:

    I'm a bit swamped with work right now, and another portrait project, but I'll try to put together an alternate half-drow version this weekend.

    Work... thanks for reminding me. I'm simply glad you took on the project at all. Love the current portrait, tho excited to see what else you can do with it. Take your time; I'm still waiting for the game's freakin' mac release...
  • GodwineGodwine Member Posts: 12
    Has anybody considered Baldurizing good old Morrigan? ;)

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  • FenghoangFenghoang Member Posts: 160
    Isandir said:

    All the talk of half-elves and beauty (or a lack thereof) got me thinking last night. Combine that with browsing through portraits while trying to find a crazed look, and this is what happens. I haven't played the game, but from what I hear, he fits the definition quite well.

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    Did I ever told you.... the definition of insanity?
  • SanctiferSanctifer Member Posts: 108
    Isandir said:

    All the talk of half-elves and beauty (or a lack thereof) got me thinking last night. Combine that with browsing through portraits while trying to find a crazed look, and this is what happens. I haven't played the game, but from what I hear, he fits the definition quite well.

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    OMG this is splendid !
    (just a bit too dark I'd say, comparing it to the other portraits of the game, but I think I'm gonna play him right NOW)
  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207
    Godwine said:

    I've Baldur-sized a couple pieces of existing artwork for anybody who's interested.

    Here's the lovely bard Sharwyn from Neverwinter Nights.

    Much appreciated.
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