I don't understand the Controversy/Fuss
I’ve been on the forum for three years but rarely post.
I’m honestly shocked by all the feedback beam dog has gotten. I’m the first to admit that the EE additions were not on par with the originals but I hold them in such high esteem the couldn’t possibly have met my expectations,.
The very fact they gave me the excuse to play the games id been waiting years for was enough. I know the content was hit and miss but just to be in that world again with some news additions was brilliant. I love Neera and Dorn and the black pits were excellent.
I’m not so sold on Rassaad and I felt the added content was lacking but just to experience a polished version of my favourite games was enough.
The expansion on the other hand has been the best experience in an RPG I’ve had in years. I’ve played Dragon Age, Witcher 3 and Pillars of Eternity but I’ve enjoyed this more.
There are elements I don’t like mostly some of the new NPC's but the setting story and side characters are all excellent and very immersive. I love the idea of the crusade sweeping down and that the villain isn’t really a villain at all. I’ve enjoyed helping the crusade whilst working against it. The options for the quest outcomes offer more of a variety than most modern games and the quests themselves are all thought out, enjoyable and unique.
The only game I’ve played from an RPG respective that has compared to this recently is Witcher 3.
I enjoyed pillars but the setting doesn’t compare the the forgotten realms. I’m just glad someone is making games set in faerun and is giving me the chance to go into the world of Baldur’s Gate again. The fact the story, world, quests and characters have been lovingly written and created and pay such respect to the source material is a bonus.
I also don’t understand the controversy maybe it’s because I’m Welsh and live in Scotland but for me the transgender thing was a non-issue. I’ve spoken to the character done the side quests involving her and thought nothing of it.
Was completely taken by surprise when I read about all the fuss. Maybe it’s an issue in America were religion is a big thing but is just smacks of backwards thinking.
Transgender or any other orientation isn’t an issue for me are anyone I know how does a character in a fantasy game were previously wave had a belt that changes gender bother people so much. Even if it is as people have said, in there to promote the SJW agenda who cares it’s a fantasy world anything goes. There’s walking talking fungus I don’t like mushrooms but I’m not going to cry about Beam dog making them sentient and equal to other characters in the game.
I find this all quite bizarre and its a damn shame if this effects sales or the prospect of Baldur’s gate 3 or a new expansion I’ll be gutted, just wish people would get a life and grow up. If it bothers you don’t play it but don’t bitch and moan and ruin if for everyone else.
I’m honestly shocked by all the feedback beam dog has gotten. I’m the first to admit that the EE additions were not on par with the originals but I hold them in such high esteem the couldn’t possibly have met my expectations,.
The very fact they gave me the excuse to play the games id been waiting years for was enough. I know the content was hit and miss but just to be in that world again with some news additions was brilliant. I love Neera and Dorn and the black pits were excellent.
I’m not so sold on Rassaad and I felt the added content was lacking but just to experience a polished version of my favourite games was enough.
The expansion on the other hand has been the best experience in an RPG I’ve had in years. I’ve played Dragon Age, Witcher 3 and Pillars of Eternity but I’ve enjoyed this more.
There are elements I don’t like mostly some of the new NPC's but the setting story and side characters are all excellent and very immersive. I love the idea of the crusade sweeping down and that the villain isn’t really a villain at all. I’ve enjoyed helping the crusade whilst working against it. The options for the quest outcomes offer more of a variety than most modern games and the quests themselves are all thought out, enjoyable and unique.
The only game I’ve played from an RPG respective that has compared to this recently is Witcher 3.
I enjoyed pillars but the setting doesn’t compare the the forgotten realms. I’m just glad someone is making games set in faerun and is giving me the chance to go into the world of Baldur’s Gate again. The fact the story, world, quests and characters have been lovingly written and created and pay such respect to the source material is a bonus.
I also don’t understand the controversy maybe it’s because I’m Welsh and live in Scotland but for me the transgender thing was a non-issue. I’ve spoken to the character done the side quests involving her and thought nothing of it.
Was completely taken by surprise when I read about all the fuss. Maybe it’s an issue in America were religion is a big thing but is just smacks of backwards thinking.
Transgender or any other orientation isn’t an issue for me are anyone I know how does a character in a fantasy game were previously wave had a belt that changes gender bother people so much. Even if it is as people have said, in there to promote the SJW agenda who cares it’s a fantasy world anything goes. There’s walking talking fungus I don’t like mushrooms but I’m not going to cry about Beam dog making them sentient and equal to other characters in the game.
I find this all quite bizarre and its a damn shame if this effects sales or the prospect of Baldur’s gate 3 or a new expansion I’ll be gutted, just wish people would get a life and grow up. If it bothers you don’t play it but don’t bitch and moan and ruin if for everyone else.
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This is North American conservatism and backwards thinking, nothing else. The same 1850s attitudes you have to consider whenever you visit there.
2) As you said, it's a non-issue. Bahahaha, this satire was much appreciated.
The other sad truth is...what's going to sell news stories? The idea that a lot of Americans are "apparently pissed off" by a minor character in an expansion to a game? Or the idea that 99.9% of those American folks who bought the expansion did not give a rat's ass? Money motivates media just as much as it motivates every other industry.
Basically get past stereotypes, and get to know the real culture and society, pretty much stereotypes like this are bound to be wrong and get people's backa up. Understanding is always better than assumption.??
1. The stripes on the French flag are vertical, not horizontal.
2. This flag was made using construction paper and Elmer's Glue Sticks, not Photoshop.
If I understand correctly then you @baldrat60 are of the opinion that it's mostly about one transgender character in the expansion. Yet you mention the social justice warrior agenda too, even though you dismiss that in a single line. As for the first, it seems that the inclusion of such a character isn't noteworthy. The issue arises when that character is seen as, to borrow a term I picked up in another thread, a symbol of the underlying message.
As I see it, it all started with an interview with one of the writers who said Baldur's Gate contains sexism that needed to be addressed in the new expansion. Referring to certain jokes and two companion characters. On top of that, the language used was quite truculent to anyone who might disagree with that view. Then the discovery of the now removed voice line referring to Gamer Gate in a joking matter. To make matters worse: a clarification was written wherein said writer confirmed she stood behind the morals held by the social justice movement. Now we can clearly see that the idea of a SJW agenda isn't created out of thin air and was certainly lend some credibility.
Now I, for one, saw this as a red flag. Baldur's Gate is after all one of my favourite games and to think that a long awaited expansion to it was being used to push an ideology that I can't get behind was... problematic. Coupled with the fact that the initial release of the expansion had some severe problems with the multiplayer aspect, the exportation of BGI characters and the modifications that stopped working. This led to various questions and assertions being brought forth.
With these very forums and the Steam page being moderated, threads locked down and users banned, a good many people left severely negative reviews for the expansion itself. Mostly because the developer cannot moderate those. This was followed by a public appeal by the developer of the expansion to give good reviews. To top it all off, the Game Gate community was seen as the driving force behind the negativity and this was communicated to various social justice websites by an employee of the developer. As you might expect; this only added more fuel to the fire.
Thankfully this all died down eventually, perhaps in part due to the public statement that certain things would be changed within the game. (i.e. a different dialogue tree, the GG joke removed and bugs being fixed.)
So to sum it up; I'd say it clearly doesn't revolve around the singular issue of the inclusion of one transgender character. It seems to be a hostile overreaction based on incomplete information, badly handled public relations and the conflicting ideas between two ideologies.
I just didnt see the problems other people have seen.
I felt the game was great and as ive said im just glad to have some more baldurs gate.
The problem is that sometimes people, no matter where they reside, love making mountains out of mole hills.
For clarification, that's something we say in America when someone makes a bigger deal out of something than there should be. You probably wouldn't understand if you're European
As an aside it should be noted that Imoen can only multi class from pure thief to mage in the enhanced edition and never reach level 9 due to the experience cap in that version of the game.