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The German Dub - We are still waiting.

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  • BelegCuthalionBelegCuthalion Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 425
    i'd like to chime in again here ...

    yes, it likely doesn't fully pay to do this work ... (but we payed already)
    but at least restaurating the existing german VO is actually not *so* difficult to do, and in the spirit of keeping the game alive "in all its glory", this is worth doing, as the original german VOs were actually great.

    HeinrichBhaal
  • sanwablosanwablo Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2017
    I recently bought BG2:EE and was indescribably disappointed to find out that the original German voices, which made the game so famous and beloved, are missing!

    I can see that they have been kept in BG1:EE, IWD:EE and PST:EE. I would like to know why not BG2 then?

    As has already been mentioned, the old files were already of outstanding quality. So is it really so difficult to import them to the new version? I'm not a programmer, but it seems the kind of thing that would require very little work and at the same time achieve a massive effect, which would be immensely appreciated by the German-speaking community.

    See the German thread here: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/23869/deutsche-sprache-in-bg-2-ee/p5

    Post edited by sanwablo on
    BelegCuthalionHeinrichBhaal
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,259
    i'm really sad for you german guys, you need to be making a lot more noise about this.

    Shandyrsanwablo
  • ShandyrShandyr Member Posts: 8,263
    A LOT OF NOIZ!!!!

    BAAAAAM BUUUUMM BAAAAAAM!!!

    @JuliusBorisov @TrentOster

    bob_vengHeinrichBhaal
  • BelegCuthalionBelegCuthalion Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 425
    edited June 2017
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/59793/der-deutsche-dub-wie-haetten-sies-denn-gern

    In this vote, we tried to find out what would be "best" to have for German VO:

    - record everything missing, then include the complete thing ... While nice to have, I think as it did not happen until now, it's not going to happen at all ...
    - include what is there, and fill in the English parts for everything not available in German. that should be rather easy and was proven to work with mods, so please don't ignore the second largest community you have ...
    - include what is already there, and mute everything that's missing ... That's the easy and non-immersion-breaking variant ... May need some sorting of ressources maybe to make it work reliably?

    vote is between second and third option obviously, and it's not hard or expensive to implement, given that Trent said rights a for this are clear ... so please finally do this for 2.4 / 3.x patch ... It was talked about so many times before and seemed clear to happen but it never manifested ... So now is the time! @JuliusBorisov @TrentOster

    AstroBryGuysanwablobob_vengHeinrichBhaal
  • HeinrichBhaalHeinrichBhaal Member Posts: 15
    Honestly? I have not bought a game from you ever since I found this out! And I will continue dont buy your games, until finally the VO is back in the game. You wrote the vo will return with a update!

  • sanwablosanwablo Member Posts: 11
    Not even an acknowledging reply? Is this being ignored on purpose? Sad... :(

  • sid6581sid6581 Member Posts: 2
    Beamdog announced a new patch which will have "completed localizations". So fingers crossed this will finally include german voices. Bad communications about this isssue however.

    sanwabloButtercheese
  • AbathornAbathorn Member Posts: 15
    The same problem happens with the spanish voices. All the original voices dissapear and we need a mod to restore.

  • sanwablosanwablo Member Posts: 11
    sid6581 said:

    Beamdog announced a new patch which will have "completed localizations". So fingers crossed this will finally include german voices. Bad communications about this isssue however.

    @sid6581 Thanks for the info! Could you please share the source?

  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 18,822
    Thank you all for letting us know this is a feature you're passionate about and sorry for the silence!

    We can't promise anything at this point as we're confirming V/O rights and file compatibility, however we’ll include any news we can share on this front in future updates about Enhanced Edition patches beyond the iOS update series.

    In the meantime, what are a few of your favorite non-English performances in Baldur’s Gate II? We’re curious what makes them stand out.

  • sid6581sid6581 Member Posts: 2

    Who's definitely outstanding is german Irenicus ...

    I can wholeheartedly agree to this. German voiceover work has always been great, coming from a long tradition of movie voiceovers, often leading to better voices than in the original versions. Definitely the case in BG2. Plus, having german voices doesn't leave you with a gap between spoken english voices and german text. The game would finally feel how it shold be. Right now it's a bit off for german players who play it out of nostalgia or maybe even for the first time. We are all aware of Beamdog's tight schedules but don't be thrown off by a lower post count in the german forums (most of us are rather proficient in the english language), the german fanbase of the IE games is huge. And we would be happy to get those voiceovers.

    volneb83HeinrichBhaal
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745
    sid6581 said:


    I can wholeheartedly agree to this. German voiceover work has always been great

    Weeeeell, let's not give praise where it's not deserved. While generally German dubs usually tend to be at least okay, we also got cases like the super trashy BG1 dub and the famously awful dub of Metal Gear Solid. And there are more out there, though nothing specifically comes to mind right now.

    Either way, BG2's dub is one of the better dubs out there and as I stated before, people are missing out without it.

  • volneb83volneb83 Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 471

    Weeeeell, let's not give praise where it's not deserved. While generally German dubs usually tend to be at least okay, we also got cases like the super trashy BG1 dub

    I would kind of disagree with you. As strange and bizarre the German voices in BG1 may sound, I have grown to like the different dialects. I've never come across any other game that has made use of such a variety of German and Austrian accents. That really makes BG1 stand out compared to other RPGs.

    HeinrichBhaalKamigoroshi
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745
    volneb83 said:

    Weeeeell, let's not give praise where it's not deserved. While generally German dubs usually tend to be at least okay, we also got cases like the super trashy BG1 dub

    I would kind of disagree with you. As strange and bizarre the German voices in BG1 may sound, I have grown to like the different dialects. I've never come across any other game that has made use of such a variety of German and Austrian accents. That really makes BG1 stand out compared to other RPGs.
    I wouldn't call it a good thing when in a game that takes itself somewhat seriously there are elves that speak with a saxon accent :tongue: Also, I said trashy, not bad. Trashy is a "so bad it's good" and/or "it's fundamentally flawed but enjoyable in it's own right" type of situation.

    Push!

    I appreaciate the effort, but save it for when the thread hasn't posted in for weeks or month, and not for the same day ;)

  • BelegCuthalionBelegCuthalion Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 425
    I'd even miss the german bg1 voices ... But there it's primarily for nostalgia and some oddities.
    In bg2, it's about atmosphere, they add to the experience and and are never off.

  • SenoSeno Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2017
    first, sorry for my bad englisch.

    I can not understand why this grandiose German synchronization has not inserted into the EE.
    That's makes my Baldur's gate feeling!
    If I hear the original, I get goosebumps every time.
    With the English synchronization this feeling is simply gone.
    I can not understand why something important is left out
    Why is this so unimportant to you? We have grown up with it, and that is an important factor why we buy it again!

  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,259
    there's some legal obstacle. maybe german distributors own the rights to the VO, and it must be bought from them, so maybe they ask a lot of money or communication has been extremely slow...who knows

  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,073
    More like the real obstacle up until now was being understaffed. Trend Oster already confirmed that the ownership of the German VO has been made clear. So it's not a legal obstacle per se. All that's really needed is for some of the beamdog employees to finally sit through it till the end. Luckily, there're now at least two more people officially hired at beamdog. Which theoretically should make room for someone to handle the remaining official VO's in honest. Whenever it's German dub or Polish dub.

    Honestly, I can't blame other German players for getting impatient here either. I do as well after all. Seeing as it's already been almost 4 years since the release of BGII:EE. It is understandable that there's an end to anyone's patience.

    ButtercheesesanwabloHeinrichBhaal
  • BelegCuthalionBelegCuthalion Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 425
    Any chance for an update on this with the coming up patches in planning?

    I've even found my old redmine entry on this, are these still considered for the new patches?
    https://support.baldursgate.com/issues/24764

  • DoubledimasDoubledimas Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 1,180

    Any chance for an update on this with the coming up patches in planning?

    I've even found my old redmine entry on this, are these still considered for the new patches?
    https://support.baldursgate.com/issues/24764

    I guess they will. They have also been closing down reports from around the time you posted yours.

    An important update:

    Planning has started on the next round of patches for the Enhanced Edition games on all platforms. We're currently going through all the reports on Redmine and evaluating each bug and feature.

    For a better end result, our developers comment on Redmine if they need more information from bug reporters. In cases where we have had no reply to requests for follow up, the appropriate reports may be closed.

    Players still encountering the issue are recommended to file a new bug, following the steps located here: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/49845/how-to-report-bugs.


  • sanwablosanwablo Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2017
    Any news on this? I've only seen "Steam achievements and the Shaman class" promised for 2.5.

    ThomasB96
  • ShandyrShandyr Member Posts: 8,263
    One additional information:

    Shandaxx said:


    The release version of the 2.5 Update will include the correct German VO for Baldur’s Gate II: Enhanced Edition from the original Baldur’s Gate II, but it won’t be included in the beta.

    @JuliusBorisov

    As far as I understand only the German VO from the original, vanilla game returns.

    Naturally this raises one question: How do you handle the German VO for the NEW content in BG2:EE?


    We don't plan to do translations of VO for the new content. VO/Sounds not overridden by the language mod will play what is in the base game. So the existing English VO will likely play.

    Buttercheesesanwablo
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745
    edited December 2017
  • ShandyrShandyr Member Posts: 8,263
    To be honest, I am glad that I am used to playing my games in English.

    If I was not and now I got a bilingual game, that has German text while some of the voice over was English... I'm not sure I would like that.

    And I can understand if people would rather dislike that, especially when as you say @Buttercheese there was German VO for the new content in BG1:EE.

    Anyway, removing all German VO from BG2:EE was an even more curious decision so I guess for the moment we should be thankful that the original German VO will make it back.

    Buttercheese
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745
    edited December 2017
    There's not much I can really say on the topic that I haven't said already. It just kinda makes for a really bad precedent in regards to how much Beamdog seems to care about their non-english speaking audience. There has been another incident, but I am not sure I am allowed to talk about that given that I am still under an NDA (though that alone should ring bells with the people who should know what I am refering to).

    I know Beamdog is just a small studio, but given that WotC have been working on expanding more strongly in the non-english speaking markets, one has to wonder why they wouldn't put more money into localisations such as these.

    As this thread shows, people are disapointed about the strong delay (three years now).
    Like, I wanna be happy that this is finally happening, but A. there was no reason that this was delayed for so long besides disinterest from the devs' side (since there where no legal issues that needed resolving like with the Polish dub) and B. this is still not a full dub.

    This small victory tastes very very bitter.

    Shandyr
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