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Power gamer wants to roleplay + no reload challenge

Hi, I am no expert of Baldur’s gate, neither a beginner, intermediate I would say. Anyway, what’s more important I could describe myself as a power gamer. This time however I want to try something unique for me. I want to actually role-play! Unfortunately, I am unable to do it 100% properly so I came out with a set of rules to balance things (Actually maybe you will be able to help me to tweak some of them). The plan is to go Baldur’s Gate: EE with few mods then continue to BG2:EE and TOB.

I believe that the most noticeable would be small quest packs, unfinished business, NPC project. No tactical modes except Rogue Rebalancing and components like “More realistic wolves and wild dogs”, etc. In the Big World installation, I didn’t install any yellow ticks though, didn’t install any additional items or bag containers to the enhanced edition. That’s all about my installation for now.
Maybe worth to mention: I installed a mod that allows humans to multiclass and non-humans to dual class.

Rules:
1. No reload! Over the years, I finished both games few times however I think it will be very challenging for me but I believe I have a pretty good understanding of the game. So, maybe I will be able to pull it off.
2. Core rules.
3. I am not going to bother with rolling my stats, I’m just going to give myself 100 out of 108 possible in shadowkeeper. Which is 18/01 – 19 – 17 – 18 – 10 – 18. Yes, wisdom is going to be the only weakness of my character. This is the part which I am just unable to role-play.
4. Grinding XP is not allowed. My usual cheesy tactic to go kill 1 siren for 5000xp and go to kill basilisks early on solo is also forbidden.
5. Via console I will give myself some experience after each dream. 1-2.000, 2-4.000, 3-8.000, 4-16.000, 5-32.000, 6-64.000. Yes, it may be cheating for some but I don’t care, it is me who supposed to have fun and going to kill stuff like basilisks seems silly to me so I came out with resolution where I can get similar effect and justify the outcome.
6. I always felt strange when I came to Khalid and Jaheira on lvl1 and they talk about themselves like they are experienced adventures and Jaheira regards herself as my character guardian. I am going to give them both 8.000 XP as I meet them making Khalid lvl4 fighter and Jeheira 3/3 fighter/druid.
7. For killing Sarevok I will add myself additional 250.000 XP for nicer start of BG2
8. Level cap removed.
9. HP per level randomized NVN style (upper half of the rolls, if the roll is d10 the possible hp for a particular level is 6-10)

Above rules are basically for myself really. So, won’t go beyond them and that could be the case if I just thought about them but I decided I can share them with the World as well. ;p
I will try to best of my ability role-play an evil-neutral character. I will not do, ignore, and ruin many quests because I really want to RP it as I would it in PnP. That’s also why I came out with rule
5 as I will cut out rewards for many quests probably.
If I die I am determined to try few times unless I die very late in the game (like during the battle with Sarevok). That would be the end.

All right about my character.
I’m going to play neutral-evil female elf kensai named Alice.
I should play mage/fighter but I really want to try Kensai/Mage
I began the game before as Kensai so I know how the class plays but I never finished that game.
My primary goal is to shape her character somehow during my playthrough but her main desires are going to be money and power. She’s going to disregard people in search for those things. At the beginning, I plan to be somewhat obedient to NPC’s like Jaheira and Khalid but later to develop her unique for her character and to abandon or betray NPCs that will be against her.

I’m going to start my playthrough tomorrow and I hope to use this thread to ask some questions in the future and to share my possible deaths.
Grond0JuliusBorisovSkatanAerakarCrevsDaaklolien

Comments

  • VitharVithar Posts: 64
    So you skip Basilisks and Sirens but you give yourself XP after a Dream and also play on Core Rules?
    It seems like you try to restrict yourself but cover the restriction with another thing that nearly gives the same thing.
    Also you speak about Power Gaming and Challenge but in the same time mention Shadowkeeper?
    No matter how far you are in the game , if you use no save / reload rules .... you die = you die.
    As mentioned that you wanna have fun , if you do this - at least don't call it challenge or power gaming , because it's definitely not.
  • Mantis37Mantis37 Posts: 260
    If you have trouble shedding powergaming habits then I recommend a) blindly following the advice of npcs and b) randomising with a dice among 2-3 plausible options. To be honest I like to randomise the starting character's class too, and keep my stats in the ballpark of most BG characters.
    CrevsDaak
  • Gonzo100100Gonzo100100 Posts: 26
    edited March 17
    Vithar said:


    So you skip Basilisks and Sirens but you give yourself XP after a Dream and also play on Core Rules?
    It seems like you try to restrict yourself but cover the restriction with another thing that nearly gives the same thing.

    That’s exactly right. It is because I want to try balancing my playthrough in certain way. I will see how it will play.
    Vithar said:


    Also you speak about Power Gaming and Challenge but in the same time mention Shadowkeeper?

    Power Gaming – I mentioned that I consider myself to be a power gamer, it is about my attitude towards RPG video games I have. Anyway I don’t want to talk about power gaming because it’s not what I want to be a factor of my current gameplay.
    Shadowkeeper - Yes, why not? As I said, I am going to endeavour to role-play a neutral-evil character. I finished the game multiple times and I believe I can afford to try my current idea which is to not accept or not to complete many quests given by people that need someone who is altruist. I need some means that will balance it for myself.
    Vithar said:


    No matter how far you are in the game , if you use no save / reload rules .... you die = you die.

    You’re right again! The fact that you decided to explain it to me makes me feel (doesn’t matter if I’m correct here) that you misunderstood the part of the previous post where I wrote that if I die I am determined to try few times. What I meant is that if I die I am determined to start the game from the very beginning. However, if I die very late in the game I will probably stop playing and occupy myself with something different.
    As an additional note I can say that if I can manage complete a game using this hardcore rule, it brings 10x more fun than if I would play normally.
    Vithar said:


    if you do this - at least don't call it challenge or power gaming , because it's definitely not.

    It’s definitely not power gaming but for me it is definitely a big challenge, maybe not for you – I can understand that. If I spend 6 or 7 hours on a drawing auto portrait, it will look like on black and white photograph, for me it’s not a big challenge but for someone else who can’t draw, 100 hours won’t be enough to meet that ‘challenge’.
    But again, I don’t want to become a person who managed to beat the game with the hardest possible settings. I just want to adapt it to my own possibilities and for me it is going to be very challenging because what I already noticed no reload here is much different than other games I played on that mode like Diablo 2 & 3 hardcore or Far Cry Primal permadeath. It’s not enough to just be super careful, I also have to know exactly what canters what.
    Mantis37 said:

    If you have trouble shedding powergaming habits then I recommend a) blindly following the advice of npcs and b) randomising with a dice among 2-3 plausible options. To be honest I like to randomise the starting character's class too, and keep my stats in the ballpark of most BG characters.

    I’m not sure if I understand it. What kind of NPC advice?
    To some extent I do have problem with breaking powergaming habits but I actually don’t know for sure if it bothers me. I would say that on d&d sessions or on Nwn 2 role-play servers I didn’t have much problem with that. It goes more when I play single player I automatically want to do everything perfectly, get the max possible XP, have the strongest build possible, etc. Now I want to try something what is completely different for me but should be fun I think.
    lolien
  • DevardKrownDevardKrown Posts: 326
    you play a power-gamer class combo , cheat xp and stats, and probably reload anyhow.
    just another power game run is what i see.

    pick a fringe class like Bard or Beast master , go with 3 re rolls on stat points and stick with it. play good or evil and stick to it , pick the matching dialog options even if you know they end in horrible results , refuse NPC who don't align with you.
    VitharBelgarathMTHCrevsDaak
  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Posts: 6,730
    edited March 24
    If you really want a satisfying role-playing experience, I suggest dropping that stat roll to about 80, from 100. Have some weaknesses! It makes things slightly more tense, and way more emotionally rewarding.

    And yeah, try some less powergamey class. A kensai who will probably use axes or daggers, in order to circumvent one of the defining characteristics of a kensai? (Not to mention ranged magic, later.) Dual-classing and using proficiency points from a 2nd class in order to have a high-level caster with grandmastery and tons of hit points? (Note: I know you haven't said you're planning some of this stuff; just pointing out things to try to avoid, since it can be difficult not to slip into powergaming with these games...)

    There's nothing wrong with any of that... but it is definitely powergaming. If you think it would be satisfying to try a playthrough that gets way from powergaming... then try to really get away from powergaming! It's hard, but you will have fun. (Alternatively, if you want to go on powergaming, that's fine too... I'm just throwing out suggestions based on your stated aims.)

    Either way, have fun.
    Post edited by subtledoctor on
  • Gonzo100100Gonzo100100 Posts: 26
    edited March 17

    probably reload anyhow.

    I can’t prove it. I’m not going to prove it. I don’t require you to believe me but I will not reload if I die. I promised it to myself and it will keep me very focused during my gameplay. I love games with ironman mode and permadeath mode and when I feel that I learned a particular game enough I switch to permadeath which I always enjoy a lot. Last time after beating normal game I played permadeath and survival in Far Cry Primal. I spent a lot of time on many attempts until I got bored and quit, was never able to actually finish, that game is just impossible but I managed to get quite far and I’m still proud of that. I simply find no-reload much more interesting way of playing because of that incredible thrill that appears when I’m close to be dead so no, I will not reload.

    If you really want a satisfying role-playing experience, I suggest dropping that stat roll to about 80, from 100. Have some weaknesses! It makes things slightly more tense, and way more emotionally rewarding.

    You are totally right and I know I may sound undecided like someone who doesn’t know what he wants. If I had to follow your advice which in some way feels eyes opening I believe I really would have to choose if I want to roleplay or do no reload challenge (maybe change it to minimum reload). As I consider it I convinced myself that only no reload challenge will truly help me to empathize with the role I will be playing because I will know that a fatal mistake will cost me the whole game. However, I mentioned it on the beginning, I am no expert player, I know the game fairly well, I know all the bosses, I know what to expect but I don’t know all the math behind everything and I simply believe that if I would pick for example a bard with ‘real’ stats I would surely die. So, I need to make the game a little bit easier. My experience is that in regards of dying GM can be forgiving (or not) but rigid rules of the game will never forgive. So, I picked kensai with huge stats because I thought I could have a lot of fun role-playing this genius, demigod whose powers begin to awake as the character tastes the difficulties of life and the pressure of being hunted by assassins for unknown reason and at the same time actually survive. I already have planned my character to be arrogant, being aware of her strength and intellect as the justification for those stats, also that's way I put only 10 to wisdom to play this arrogant aspect. Maybe shallow and cliché but I like it. ;p I can promise you that I wouldn’t come out with such an idea on d&d session so don’t judge me on that. xD
    For now, I will pick the option of overpowered character with no-reload challenge and I will try to roleplay to my best ability throughout the game…
    Over
    …playing a character with ordinary person weakness but without no-reload rule.
  • Gonzo100100Gonzo100100 Posts: 26
    I made myself an impossible task. Roleplaying and doing challenges such as no-reload is an impossible to succeed, at least for me, for now.

    Anyway, I must say that I made a different approach to the game by committing to roleplay and it’s a lot of fun, it’s strange because it’s like this battle in my mind of what I think my character would do vs what I really would like her to do. I am definitely satisfied from my role-playing, I took some inspirations from the adventures of Lilly Black that’s really fun let’s play and I watched few episodes.

    Nevertheless, the fun ends when I die. I tend to rush to the spot where I died and do everything exactly the same as I did before but this greatly breaks the immersion.
    My last attempt ended in chapter 3 as my party was wandering around and my main character was slain by Mustard Jelly. I had a lot of bad luck there because I basically lost because of 2 critical hits in a window of 3 seconds!

    As I think about it I believe that kensai is a very bad choice for such a challenge, having no ability to wear helmets entirely disqualify the character from melee combat and only viable option is to go and throw axes. So, until kensai regain her abilities at level 14 as a mage, it can be a very poor ranged fighter without proficiencies in axes or to be quite good ranged fighter with the proficiency points in axes anyway I wanted to wield celestial fury and belm in BG2, not viable option for my challenge as it appears.

    I came to an understanding that as for now for my ability I must separate roleplay from doing challenges. I still want to beat the game without re-loading but I have to put efficiency above everything else so I currently think of doing an ordinary solo power gaming run with just no-reload rule.

    On the other hand, doing the roleplay is amazing and I think I also want do this but with the minimum reload. In both ways, I will move away from kensai/mage concept because my current idea about this combo is that it is for unlimited re-loads run. Which happens to be also very role-play unfriendly because how to explain a change from a quite powerful fighter to a level 1 mage who can’t hit any target?

    So, in my eyes for no reload solo best choice is mage/fighter/thief and if in party then maybe fighter/mage
    And for pure roleplay with a minimum reloads there is a lot of choices depends of how difficult I want it to be. It can be bard as it was suggested before but fighter/mage is also viable I will have to think a bit more what class I will choose for that run.


    In summary, the attempt to do no-reload and roleplay failed because I’m not able to survive and rushing the game to the moment where I died last time greatly breaks the immersion.
    VitharBelgarathMTH
  • VitharVithar Posts: 64
    edited March 21
    @Gonzo100100 Sorry if it's considered off-topic but i've watched your whole BG2 Lets Play(years ago) and was epic!
  • Gonzo100100Gonzo100100 Posts: 26
    Ekhm… if you are referring to the link I posted to the let’s play… it’s not mine. I clearly wrote that I took some inspiration from that let’s play because it’s really cool but it is definitely not mine.
  • VitharVithar Posts: 64

    Ekhm… if you are referring to the link I posted to the let’s play… it’s not mine. I clearly wrote that I took some inspiration from that let’s play because it’s really cool but it is definitely not mine.

    ;(
  • SkatanSkatan Posts: 2,210
    edited March 22
    I don't understand you @Vithar or @DevardKrown, the OP clearly states his/her intentions and goals and then you feel the need to bash him/her and go all judgemental for it? It's not your playthrough, nor it is your rules. This is a forum and you are entitled to express your opinions, but don't be an ass-hat about it.

    @Gonzo100100: You seem to already reached new insight, but I would suggest picking a class with greater survivability whom you can still identify yourself with. Paladins, F/C dwarves, (dwarf anything really), berzerkers all offer easier BG1 experiences than kensais. Good luck.
    TressetCrevsDaak
  • VitharVithar Posts: 64
    edited March 22
    Skatan said:

    I don't understand you @Vithar or @DevardKrown, the OP clearly states his/her intentions and goals and then you feel the need to bash him/her and go all judgemental for it? It's not your playthrough, nor it is your rules. This is a forum and you are entitled to express your opinions, but don't be an ass-hat about it.

    @Gonzo100100: You seem to already reached new insight, but I would suggest picking a class with greater survivability whom you can still identify yourself with. Paladins, F/C dwarves, (dwarf anything really), berzerkers all offer easier BG1 experiences than kensais. Good luck.

    I don't bash him , he is stating that he has intentions for power play and he is power gamer , but in the same time telling us about some cheap stuff and cheating creating his hero etc.
    This is the real world and not everything is good / perfect / beautiful and opinions here doesn't matter.

  • SkatanSkatan Posts: 2,210
    Vithar said:

    ... opinions here doesn't matter.

    Maybe not, but behavior does.
    Gonzo100100
  • VitharVithar Posts: 64
    Skatan said:

    Vithar said:

    ... opinions here doesn't matter.

    Maybe not, but behavior does.
    According to your behavior standards people need to agree with others who obviously lie or just speak inaccurate stuff as i pointed out and as you can read above on the OP.

    Again , it seems you don't read or you cannot assimilate what going on - the OP mentions Hardcore Gaming while tells the people of him generating a max stats character trough programs and how he doesn't want to abuse a certain game mechanic but use / abuse another just to get the same goal on a ''core rules'' while also giving himself XP after ''Dream''.

    After i and others pointed about this has nothing to do with Power Gaming i get comments and bullsh*t from the kinds of you like you or the OP are some kind of oppressed ?

  • DevardKrownDevardKrown Posts: 326
    Skatan said:

    I don't understand you @Vithar or @DevardKrown, the OP clearly states his/her intentions and goals and then you feel the need to bash him/her and go all judgemental for it? It's not your playthrough, nor it is your rules. This is a forum and you are entitled to express your opinions, but don't be an ass-hat about it.

    @Gonzo100100: You seem to already reached new insight, but I would suggest picking a class with greater survivability whom you can still identify yourself with. Paladins, F/C dwarves, (dwarf anything really), berzerkers all offer easier BG1 experiences than kensais. Good luck.

    I am neither being an ass-hat nor do i Bash on him , he wanted feedback on his weird "I will cheat for this but then don't do that" play through and got it, if he don't want the feedback he just can go ahead and play it without posting , or ignore my opinion entirely what he did, so why do you feel the need to jump in and make problems where are non ?

    for all i care he can go with a 5000 HP 5 APR 25 in all stats Fighter/Mage/Thief with removed xp cap and all on level 200 and i wills till call it out for being cheap.
    Vithar
  • SkatanSkatan Posts: 2,210
    edited March 23
    Vithar said:


    According to your behavior standards people need to agree with others who obviously lie or just speak inaccurate stuff as i pointed out and as you can read above on the OP.

    Where did I say that? Please quote me so that I can understand.
    Vithar said:


    Again , it seems you don't read or you cannot assimilate what going on - the OP mentions Hardcore Gaming while tells the people of him generating a max stats character trough programs and how he doesn't want to abuse a certain game mechanic but use / abuse another just to get the same goal on a ''core rules'' while also giving himself XP after ''Dream''.

    After i and others pointed about this has nothing to do with Power Gaming i get comments and bullsh*t from the kinds of you like you or the OP are some kind of oppressed ?

    The OP states his playthough, his rules, his intensions. You state that what he does is not powergaming nor a challenge. You felt the need to go in and slap him on the wrist, being his better. I called you out on it saying that was unnecessary and now you cry and moan about it.

    Edit: The point being (as always): this is a single-player game: what the OP does in his game is not for you to judge. You don't get to decide what he considers to be power-gaming or what he thinks is a challenge. I get what you mean, I really do, I just think you should have chosen more neutral wording. That's it.
    Tresset
  • Gonzo100100Gonzo100100 Posts: 26
    Ehh I think that this whole argument is unnecessary. I am not going to try to change anybody’s opinion, in everyday life, face to face it’s difficult and in the forum almost impossible. I get that people may disagree what I came up with. I am not going to blame anybody for that although I am certainly not happy with comments that say I cheat because, technically I know that. To explain some of my intentions for the very last time I figured out a set of rules that I wanted to try to eliminate grinding xp and focus more on the story while keeping the challenge that if I die – I delete the save and this is what I did. I certainly wasn’t looking for any kind of recognition that I did something ‘prestigious’ or difficult. I am anonymous here so, the whole concept of this “look at me! Look at me!” is ridiculous to me. My main motivation for starting this thread was to create some space for myself where I could ask some questions, especially about surviving no-reload challenge and about some role-playing aspects. Unfortunately for me the thread was flooded with opinions about how much wrong my idea was but I don’t hold any offence as it was fun this discussion.
    Nevertheless, the thread is surely ruined now because if I actually had some questions, before people will get through this whole argument, they will lose interest (at least it is what happens to me, if I see people arguing on a forum about non-relevant things, I immediately go somewhere else). So as for me the thread may be closed, no hard feelings though, if I will need help, I’ll ask probably in another thread.

    JuliusBorisovbaron_pampa
  • SkatanSkatan Posts: 2,210
    Yeah.. you're right @Gonzo100100. I apologize.
    semiticgodGonzo100100CrevsDaak
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