This is another mod on the to-try (Or at least, to look at list). It's also one I'm considering to use for an alternate class for Vienxay for BG:2, so long as the thief multi-class can be maintained, in some future update. Story-wise I want her to fall between SoD and BG2 into using the shadow-weave entirely and lose her connection to the weave so it could be a cool option for it depending on its seamlessness.
Of course I also want her to become closer to her actual character in Neverwinter Nights and put in an option where she can be redeemed and loses her connection to both weaves and almost all magic, becoming only a shadowdancer, so it depends how easy it is to change her class midgame, I guess.
Still cannot reproduce either issue. The Show Details button is just a perma-TAB, I have no idea what relation it would have to anything script-related. Mazzy is fine after the sequence. This is very likely a mod compatibility issue. It looks like Mazzy has some sort of F/C kit which I don't have installed which may have something to do with that problem.
Mazzy as a F/C is a DoF's feature but I don't see how this can mess a cutscene. Nothing but her class/kit is altered, so any script targeting her DV should behave exactly as it is.
@AionZ do your mod make any check for Mazzy's class/kit?
This is another mod on the to-try (Or at least, to look at list). It's also one I'm considering to use for an alternate class for Vienxay for BG:2, so long as the thief multi-class can be maintained, in some future update.
You can already do this. Shadow Magic includes multi-class kits for the Shadow Adept, including a Shadow Adept/Thief.
Added immunity to certain elemental spells at 100% resistance
Daytime penalty is no longer dependent on scripts
Added +1 Charisma bonus to Nyx on levelups
BETA Spell Learning System properly requires main component to download
Daytime penalty is now 100% applied through spell opcodes, so there shouldn't be bugs like the penalty applying incorrectly when party members are in separate areas or when creatures immune to all magic repeatedly causing "Spell Ineffective" in the message log.
It also turns out there was a solution to the "negative resistances cause immunity to spells" issue with the elemental spells, so I've added the effect back in with more spells making use of it. These following spells no longer affect targets with full immunity to their respective elemental damage:
Cursed Flames (fire)
Cursed Earth (poison)
Black Ooze (acid)
Wall of Black Flame (fire)
Cone of Bitter Cold (cold)
Malefic Bomb (magic)
Negastorm (magic)
Merciless Blizzard (cold)
Fiery Pandemonium (fire)
Oh, and one more thing:
SHaDe eNCLaVe WhERe?!?!?!?!!!
I actually have been working on getting the main quest done so that a barebones version can be released for the proper 2.0 version of the mod. It probably won't have much side content off the bat but will regularly receive new content with updates. That's the plan now at least.
Not sure if its a new/old bug and im still reading the whole convo (just past where you revealed the apprentice locations lol) but my Mage/Cleric Kit when I leveled to 3 as mage4? as cleric and gained second level spells and an extra first level spell at same time it glitched out endlessly having me attempt to learn/add a new shadowweave spell but I was already at the NEW cap for level 1 shadowweaves because I used the rank 1 scroll (not not the second or third yet cause didn't have access to that level yet lol). even paused and quick saved/loaded a few times between its attempts to teach me a new spell in the window. cancel w/o selecting a spell didn't free me, selecting a red X Spell of all 9 levels didn't end it, I finaly EEKeepered the quicksave, deleted my newely learned shadow spell, and relearned thru the pop up menu and it finaly let me be free again. im going to make a few more random chars and console XP them to attempt to recreate it and see if its just early levels, gain new spell level, etc. if the extra shadowweave scrolls we buy from the merchant are useless to use before max level or when you havnt learned all the free spells from the level yet should have a warning/notice or such for the dialog that teachs them from the scroll vs the sorcerer like spell selection you use now for level 1 and level ups.
Edit: will make test those chars tomarrow. crashing for the night because been at it to long already lol.
Edit2: Derp. did some more testing, even with import/exports of extra scrolls (or EEkeeper, tried and used both) it works fine. the problem was I changed my spells (and innated the hell outa my chars cause im lazy) and somehow that broke the menu until I had fewer then it expected and could learn up to the listed maxium for level. not sure if the scrolls or the pop menu is the part that's the beta, but if you get more shadowspells then expected thru eekeeper and maybe other mods or sources it will glitch out till you only have the standard. the scrolls might currently work because they use a different system(and the menu doesn't even recognize they were used, but it does remove the spell(s) learned from the possible options) so they don't directly conflict even if they also don't communicate.
Yeah, you need to be careful if you’re editing the spellbook with the new spell learning component installed. The number of spells known is very important and having an incorrect amount will tend to lead to these issues. It tends to be worse if you have more spells than allowed rather than less, but both can cause problems. This is why I doubt the system will be integrated as part of the core unless the genius modders who founded the system manage to figure out more tricks.
the problem was I changed my spells (and innated the hell outa my chars cause im lazy) and somehow that broke the menu until I had fewer then it expected and could learn up to the listed maxium for level. not sure if the scrolls or the pop menu is the part that's the beta, but if you get more shadowspells then expected thru eekeeper and maybe other mods or sources it will glitch out till you only have the standard. the scrolls might currently work because they use a different system(and the menu doesn't even recognize they were used, but it does remove the spell(s) learned from the possible options) so they don't directly conflict even if they also don't communicate.
The Spell Selection system is the beta, it keeps track of how many spells you know and how many you should know, as specified for the kit. The shadow scrolls have an extra bit of coding added to track them, so they can add spells without counting towards the spells known limit.
Right now the best I can offer if your adding spells through EEKeeper, you should be able to block the spell selection in this mod from counting that spell if you also add a LOCAL variable to the creature (opcode 309), using the resref of the spell as the variable string, and setting the value to "2". You can do this through EEKeeper or in-game through the console.
The Spell Selection system is the beta, it keeps track of how many spells you know and how many you should know, as specified for the kit. The shadow scrolls have an extra bit of coding added to track them, so they can add spells without counting towards the spells known limit.
Right now the best I can offer if your adding spells through EEKeeper, you should be able to block the spell selection in this mod from counting that spell if you also add a LOCAL variable to the creature (opcode 309), using the resref of the spell as the variable string, and setting the value to "2". You can do this through EEKeeper or in-game through the console.
nah like the system mostly and its well balanced, if I realy need/want more spells ill just make/copy the scrolls now for learning and keeper for removing since they safely work. and that you guys already have all levels 1-9 possible if not for sale lol.
tiny request (so I can be lazy and not have to do it on every install)....can you extend the .2da class files to level 50? c0sadept.2da, c0sadep3.2da, c0sadep2.2da, c0sabard.2da all stop at 40.
quick question since my continued reading seems to fail to find it, does the Orb to become Shadow Adept exist as a buyable/lootable item in BGEE and BG2EE? wanting to RP someone becoming one by accidently crushing the orb but couldn't find a location for it if it is placed anywere in game or is it console/EEkeeper access only? wanting to try multi's but as shadow adept multis not the special multi kits (because some items cant be used by the Multi's cause they are not adepts lol) cant remember exact ones and I randomly add a lot of them that arnt in bgee/bg2ee from keeper lol. like the eyes of sharans or such? doesn't give the stats that I can figure out in bgee at least but that's probably because its a bg2ee item etc lol.
But the multi-class kits can use the special items just fine though...?
The Shadow Orb is available in BG1 via miniquest and will be in BG2. Anything that's not available in BG1 will be available when the BG2 quest & stronghold component is out.
Tentatively added compatibility with mods that remove/alter specialist restrictions
Okay, well... good news, I think. At least until someone finds some crippling problem that forces me to roll back the changes. If you know absolutely nothing about the particulars of IE coding, disregard the below. This is just a log of my experiences playing with usability flags today.
Basically, no more dummy kits (essentially a kit that has nothing and just changes to the proper kit when chargen is complete), and I think mage specialization mods should be compatible now. Basically, spells can be flagged to be restricted to more than mage kits. If mage spells are flagged as restricted from a kit that can never learn them under any circumstance, whether it be multi- or dual-class, say... Totemic Druid, for example, and then the SA kits are coded to use the Totemic Druid's usability... boom, no more Write Magic, everything else appears normal, and the kits get through chargen just fine.
Restricting mage scrolls is easy, just add opcode 319 flagged with the kit, or in this case, the Specifics flag.
There are already potential problems I can see though. For starters, anything that modifies the vanilla mage spells will probably end up changing the restriction flags back, so the mod will need to be installed as late as possible. Same with scrolls, though I think the odds of this being the case are lower. Additionally, the usability in particular is obviously not meant for a mage kit. I used Totemic Druid (0x08000000) in this case because it's a relatively safe choice with no unique restrictions with armor or weapons, but if someone, say... modded Totemic Druids to be restricted to leather, well... now these kits will suffer the same restriction despite not being druids at all. That said, I don't know of any mod that actually does that at the moment, so it shouldn't be an issue.
The intelligence bonus is probably too strong for how easy it is to get Intelligence points throughout the game - stat tomes, Arcane Lore, Potions of Genius, Mind Focusing, etc. How does this alternative sound?
Yeah it seems like extra spellslots actually work now using my current stat bonus method. The main draw is that temporary INT boosts won't be very useful since they'll expire once you rest and you lose the spellslots.
My testing indicates (and, uh, @kjeron indicated to me) that if the spells are excluded from some kit X (like Totemic Druid), then your mage kit must have that kit flag plus a mage specialist flag. So my "bard" kits, in the mage class, use 0x00800200 - Enchanter + Skald.
I think this has since been fixed - the specialist flag doesn't appear to be required anymore. Though I wouldn't rule out coincidence, there may be specific circumstances that require it.
@AionZ I have a question. If I install the new 1.9.7 and I also have the add bonus spells to Mages & Sorcerers from TnB (@subtledoctor) will the bonus slots double up?
EDIT: Is it possible to make the ability boosts an optional component? I feel the Shadow Adept and Shadow Disciple are so strong (and you keep adding great spells) that giving them all the INT, WIS, and CHA bonuses feels like overkill.
@AionZ just upgraded from 1.9.4 (thinking that I hadn't a few times cause the info on Int when I click it hadn't changed, but realized slots appeared) but also realized all my characters with multikits lost the kit, and even EEkeepering them back on they are not recognized as a shadow adept for items or even for mr quest shop.
made a new mage/thief nightblade and questman and items recognized it, but somereason the spell selection broke. for a plain shadow adept it stopped after 2 spells on creation, but the selection is trying to get a new mage/thief to add a 3rd that's impossible. like it did when I screwed around with spells in EEkeeper before, but this is literaly brand new with nothing changed at all. tried with high int 11 int and even 9 int but it kept going (I used ctrl+j and map explore to jump maps quickly between the forced pause/convos of the spell selection to test the quest guy lol) going to test other multikits and such and see if I can find some commonality. will also test a high int shadow adept which I didn't test, just average(cause I spent 0 time rerolling these guys lol)
Edit1: f/m/t f/m/c f/m m/t all had same effect havnt tried bard or sorc yet. unlearning the shadowspells (from eekeeper or from wizard tome right click) caused it to refresh and select spells to learn(including removed/unlearned from right click) and ended the loop for some reason. first time had removed one, did not work, had removed one and identifiy didn't work, removed all and worked, just removed shadow and it worked. going to continue testing. after all this tho ima go and uninstall my few mods (isra, aura, mage gear selection thingy mod(makes some staffs that are ranged possible etc) shadow magic your multikit mod and warlock) and see if maybe its something on those lines. might try and clean install after, but my download rate SUCKS and BG aint small lol.
Edit2 Sorc and bard worked fine. seems its something breaking with the multiclass kits. and your mod is the only one I have that does this. well also your mod of multi kits I think but i mainly noticed cause of shadow magic and the fact that humans could multiclass with it lol.
since my saves are broken anyhow ima undo all mods and redo them with shadowmagic last like before and see if it happens still.
Edit3: apparently was something breaking because of me updating. using the weido's to uninstall all, redoing the dlcmodmerge because of sod then installing the mods again and the multi class works fine once more (also the stat info no longer mentions the negatives or bonuses for the magic stats but they still exist it seems)
@Snow_Revol your last post got stuck in our spam filter for a few hours. That was a result of your account not being verified as a genuine user - I've now done that, so you shouldn't get the same problem in future.
Just tried the Shadow Enforcer (Elf F/M/T) in BGEE and I get no innate abilities (like day penalty outside) and the spell pick doesn't activate so I can't pick shadow spells. This was with 1.9.4.
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Appreciate you looking into this!
Of course I also want her to become closer to her actual character in Neverwinter Nights and put in an option where she can be redeemed and loses her connection to both weaves and almost all magic, becoming only a shadowdancer, so it depends how easy it is to change her class midgame, I guess.
Mazzy as a F/C is a DoF's feature but I don't see how this can mess a cutscene. Nothing but her class/kit is altered, so any script targeting her DV should behave exactly as it is.
@AionZ do your mod make any check for Mazzy's class/kit?
You can already do this. Shadow Magic includes multi-class kits for the Shadow Adept, including a Shadow Adept/Thief.
- Added immunity to certain elemental spells at 100% resistance
- Daytime penalty is no longer dependent on scripts
- Added +1 Charisma bonus to Nyx on levelups
- BETA Spell Learning System properly requires main component to download
Daytime penalty is now 100% applied through spell opcodes, so there shouldn't be bugs like the penalty applying incorrectly when party members are in separate areas or when creatures immune to all magic repeatedly causing "Spell Ineffective" in the message log.It also turns out there was a solution to the "negative resistances cause immunity to spells" issue with the elemental spells, so I've added the effect back in with more spells making use of it. These following spells no longer affect targets with full immunity to their respective elemental damage:
Oh, and one more thing:
SHaDe eNCLaVe WhERe?!?!?!?!!!
I actually have been working on getting the main quest done so that a barebones version can be released for the proper 2.0 version of the mod. It probably won't have much side content off the bat but will regularly receive new content with updates. That's the plan now at least.
Edit: will make test those chars tomarrow. crashing for the night because been at it to long already lol.
Edit2: Derp. did some more testing, even with import/exports of extra scrolls (or EEkeeper, tried and used both) it works fine. the problem was I changed my spells (and innated the hell outa my chars cause im lazy) and somehow that broke the menu until I had fewer then it expected and could learn up to the listed maxium for level. not sure if the scrolls or the pop menu is the part that's the beta, but if you get more shadowspells then expected thru eekeeper and maybe other mods or sources it will glitch out till you only have the standard. the scrolls might currently work because they use a different system(and the menu doesn't even recognize they were used, but it does remove the spell(s) learned from the possible options) so they don't directly conflict even if they also don't communicate.
Hi there, thanks for trying the mod out!
Yeah, you need to be careful if you’re editing the spellbook with the new spell learning component installed. The number of spells known is very important and having an incorrect amount will tend to lead to these issues. It tends to be worse if you have more spells than allowed rather than less, but both can cause problems. This is why I doubt the system will be integrated as part of the core unless the genius modders who founded the system manage to figure out more tricks.
Right now the best I can offer if your adding spells through EEKeeper, you should be able to block the spell selection in this mod from counting that spell if you also add a LOCAL variable to the creature (opcode 309), using the resref of the spell as the variable string, and setting the value to "2". You can do this through EEKeeper or in-game through the console.
I thought the only difference is that you might get two less uses of Shadowstep? I'll throw in updated class .2da files next update regardless.
But the multi-class kits can use the special items just fine though...?
The Shadow Orb is available in BG1 via miniquest and will be in BG2. Anything that's not available in BG1 will be available when the BG2 quest & stronghold component is out.
- Improved kit functionality
- Tentatively added compatibility with mods that remove/alter specialist restrictions
Okay, well... good news, I think. At least until someone finds some crippling problem that forces me to roll back the changes. If you know absolutely nothing about the particulars of IE coding, disregard the below. This is just a log of my experiences playing with usability flags today.Basically, no more dummy kits (essentially a kit that has nothing and just changes to the proper kit when chargen is complete), and I think mage specialization mods should be compatible now. Basically, spells can be flagged to be restricted to more than mage kits. If mage spells are flagged as restricted from a kit that can never learn them under any circumstance, whether it be multi- or dual-class, say... Totemic Druid, for example, and then the SA kits are coded to use the Totemic Druid's usability... boom, no more Write Magic, everything else appears normal, and the kits get through chargen just fine.
Restricting mage scrolls is easy, just add opcode 319 flagged with the kit, or in this case, the Specifics flag.
There are already potential problems I can see though. For starters, anything that modifies the vanilla mage spells will probably end up changing the restriction flags back, so the mod will need to be installed as late as possible. Same with scrolls, though I think the odds of this being the case are lower. Additionally, the usability in particular is obviously not meant for a mage kit. I used Totemic Druid (0x08000000) in this case because it's a relatively safe choice with no unique restrictions with armor or weapons, but if someone, say... modded Totemic Druids to be restricted to leather, well... now these kits will suffer the same restriction despite not being druids at all. That said, I don't know of any mod that actually does that at the moment, so it shouldn't be an issue.
INTELLIGENCE
1-2: -5 casting speed penalty
3-4: -4 casting speed penalty
5-6: -3 casting speed penalty
7-8: -2 casting speed penalty
9-10: -1 casting speed penalty
11-16: Nothing
17: +1 1,2nd level spellslot
18: +1 3rd level spellslot
19: +1 1,2,3rd level spellslot
20: +1 4,5th level spellslot
21: +1 4,5,6th level spellslot
22: +1 6,7th level spellslot
23: +1 7,8th level spellslot
24: +1 9th level spellslot
25: +1 9th level spellslot
Yeah it seems like extra spellslots actually work now using my current stat bonus method. The main draw is that temporary INT boosts won't be very useful since they'll expire once you rest and you lose the spellslots.
EDIT: Is it possible to make the ability boosts an optional component? I feel the Shadow Adept and Shadow Disciple are so strong (and you keep adding great spells) that giving them all the INT, WIS, and CHA bonuses feels like overkill.
Yeah probably. I'll look at the TnB scaling and decide which should take priority.
made a new mage/thief nightblade and questman and items recognized it, but somereason the spell selection broke. for a plain shadow adept it stopped after 2 spells on creation, but the selection is trying to get a new mage/thief to add a 3rd that's impossible. like it did when I screwed around with spells in EEkeeper before, but this is literaly brand new with nothing changed at all. tried with high int 11 int and even 9 int but it kept going (I used ctrl+j and map explore to jump maps quickly between the forced pause/convos of the spell selection to test the quest guy lol) going to test other multikits and such and see if I can find some commonality. will also test a high int shadow adept which I didn't test, just average(cause I spent 0 time rerolling these guys lol)
Edit1: f/m/t f/m/c f/m m/t all had same effect havnt tried bard or sorc yet. unlearning the shadowspells (from eekeeper or from wizard tome right click) caused it to refresh and select spells to learn(including removed/unlearned from right click) and ended the loop for some reason. first time had removed one, did not work, had removed one and identifiy didn't work, removed all and worked, just removed shadow and it worked. going to continue testing. after all this tho ima go and uninstall my few mods (isra, aura, mage gear selection thingy mod(makes some staffs that are ranged possible etc) shadow magic your multikit mod and warlock) and see if maybe its something on those lines. might try and clean install after, but my download rate SUCKS and BG aint small lol.
Edit2 Sorc and bard worked fine. seems its something breaking with the multiclass kits. and your mod is the only one I have that does this. well also your mod of multi kits I think but i mainly noticed cause of shadow magic and the fact that humans could multiclass with it lol.
since my saves are broken anyhow ima undo all mods and redo them with shadowmagic last like before and see if it happens still.
Edit3: apparently was something breaking because of me updating. using the weido's to uninstall all, redoing the dlcmodmerge because of sod then installing the mods again and the multi class works fine once more (also the stat info no longer mentions the negatives or bonuses for the magic stats but they still exist it seems)