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  • GundanRTOGundanRTO Member Posts: 81
    Justin Trudeau's wife tested positive for Covid-19, following a trip to the UK.
    Balrog99
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    GundanRTO wrote: »
    Justin Trudeau's wife tested positive for Covid-19, following a trip to the UK.

    Maybe the UK should have been on the travel ban. It wasn't because Trump has golf courses there and likes the conservative government.
    Balrog99
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    Someone needs to explain how the Utah Jazz basketball team can get 58 tests done in a matter of hours, but the CDC only completed 77 TOTAL for the rest of the country yesterday. One of the famous incidents in Chernobyl was their initial reading of the radiation units in the air (I forget what they are called, it's not important to my overall point). It initially came back 3.6. Not good, certainly, but not the end of the world. However, the tool they were using to take the reading only went up to 3.6. They had maxed it out. When a real reading was taken, the number was 15,000. Point being, you can't gauge what you aren't actually measuring.

    We are roughly 14-16 days behind Italy, which is at the moment (along with China and Iran) the thing to look to as worst case scenario. This isn't going to truly hit home for at least another 7-10 days. Our lack of testing is criminal. We now know we rejected testing kits from the WHO in January, because Trump wasn't interested. As has been suspected all along, his only interest has been in keeping the numbers on his scorecard low. We have NO clue who has this virus. We are so far behind ever other industrialized country in testing it's not even funny. Our response in this regard has been by any measure worse than any of them. We can't gauge what we're not measuring.

    We have started to implement social distancing, but it is only in about half the country at this point. And it's half-assed to say the least. And as I was discussing with @Balrog99 last night, FOX News viewers are quite literally being fed deadly disinformation about the virus, and MOST of those viewers are over the age of 55. My aunt told me last night her and her husband still plan to go to a concert at a casino in northern MN tomorrow night. It's not a big city, but I'm certain people from big cities are going to travel there. I told her not to go, but I'm fairly sure they will anyway. There isn't anything I can do to make people understand. It's one of the most frustrating things I've ever encountered. And the scary thing is, she can't stand Trump. She isn't even in that group that thinks it's a conspiracy to take him down. She's just an average American who can't conceive something that bad can happen here. In my anecdotal experience the last week, that is an all-consuming attitude among nearly everyone I encounter.
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  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Someone needs to explain how the Utah Jazz basketball team can get 58 tests done in a matter of hours, but the CDC only completed 77 TOTAL for the rest of the country yesterday. One of the famous incidents in Chernobyl was their initial reading of the radiation units in the air (I forget what they are called, it's not important to my overall point). It initially came back 3.6. Not good, certainly, but not the end of the world. However, the tool they were using to take the reading only went up to 3.6. They had maxed it out. When a real reading was taken, the number was 15,000. Point being, you can't gauge what you aren't actually measuring.

    We are roughly 14-16 days behind Italy, which is at the moment (along with China and Iran) the thing to look to as worst case scenario. This isn't going to truly hit home for at least another 7-10 days. Our lack of testing is criminal. We now know we rejected testing kits from the WHO in January, because Trump wasn't interested. As has been suspected all along, his only interest has been in keeping the numbers on his scorecard low. We have NO clue who has this virus. We are so far behind ever other industrialized country in testing it's not even funny. Our response in this regard has been by any measure worse than any of them. We can't gauge what we're not measuring.

    We have started to implement social distancing, but it is only in about half the country at this point. And it's half-assed to say the least. And as I was discussing with @Balrog99 last night, FOX News viewers are quite literally being fed deadly disinformation about the virus, and MOST of those viewers are over the age of 55. My aunt told me last night her and her husband still plan to go to a concert at a casino in northern MN tomorrow night. It's not a big city, but I'm certain people from big cities are going to travel there. I told her not to go, but I'm fairly sure they will anyway. There isn't anything I can do to make people understand. It's one of the most frustrating things I've ever encountered. And the scary thing is, she can't stand Trump. She isn't even in that group that thinks it's a conspiracy to take him down. She's just an average American who can't conceive something that bad can happen here. In my anecdotal experience the last week, that is an all-consuming attitude among nearly everyone I encounter.

    I used to think The Walking Dead was far-fetched...
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Someone needs to explain how the Utah Jazz basketball team can get 58 tests done in a matter of hours, but the CDC only completed 77 TOTAL for the rest of the country yesterday. One of the famous incidents in Chernobyl was their initial reading of the radiation units in the air (I forget what they are called, it's not important to my overall point). It initially came back 3.6. Not good, certainly, but not the end of the world. However, the tool they were using to take the reading only went up to 3.6. They had maxed it out. When a real reading was taken, the number was 15,000. Point being, you can't gauge what you aren't actually measuring.

    We are roughly 14-16 days behind Italy, which is at the moment (along with China and Iran) the thing to look to as worst case scenario. This isn't going to truly hit home for at least another 7-10 days. Our lack of testing is criminal. We now know we rejected testing kits from the WHO in January, because Trump wasn't interested. As has been suspected all along, his only interest has been in keeping the numbers on his scorecard low. We have NO clue who has this virus. We are so far behind ever other industrialized country in testing it's not even funny. Our response in this regard has been by any measure worse than any of them. We can't gauge what we're not measuring.

    We have started to implement social distancing, but it is only in about half the country at this point. And it's half-assed to say the least. And as I was discussing with @Balrog99 last night, FOX News viewers are quite literally being fed deadly disinformation about the virus, and MOST of those viewers are over the age of 55. My aunt told me last night her and her husband still plan to go to a concert at a casino in northern MN tomorrow night. It's not a big city, but I'm certain people from big cities are going to travel there. I told her not to go, but I'm fairly sure they will anyway. There isn't anything I can do to make people understand. It's one of the most frustrating things I've ever encountered. And the scary thing is, she can't stand Trump. She isn't even in that group that thinks it's a conspiracy to take him down. She's just an average American who can't conceive something that bad can happen here. In my anecdotal experience the last week, that is an all-consuming attitude among nearly everyone I encounter.

    I used to think The Walking Dead was far-fetched...

    These numbers are absolutely meaningless due to the lack of testing and incubation period of the virus. The shock point is going to be overrun hospitals:

    Balrog99ThacoBell
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    edited March 2020
    Hmm, I could've sworn someone warned about the dependency we have put on China. Yet we continued to give them power over our actual productions. Now we've seen it bite us on the *beep*

    Heck what happen when the outbreak hit them? The government turned around ships filled with N95 masked produced my American companies in China claiming, "we need them more, they are in our country and we control it"


    https://ph.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-cause-global-medicine-074616375.html


    Xinhua notes that “most of the drugs in the United States are imported,” and that “most masks in the United States are made in China and imported from China,” an that if restricted, the US won’t be able to take “the most basic measures to prevent the new coronavirus.”

    80% of present medicines consumed in the United States are produced in China. This includes Chinese companies and foreign drug companies that have outsourced their drug manufacture in joint ventures with Chinese partners. According to Rosemary Gibson of the Hastings Center bioethics research institute, who authored a book in 2018 on the theme, the dependency is more than alarming.

    http://shoebat.com/2020/03/05/china-threatens-to-kill-americans-by-withholding-medicines-demands-that-america-apologize-to-china-or-else/

    "Basically we've outsourced our entire industry to China," retired Brig. Gen. John Adams told NBC News. "That is a strategic vulnerability."

    Antibiotics, which turn life-threatening infections into minor nuisances, are considered the single biggest advance in modern medicine.

    But imagine if the supply of antibiotics to the United States was suddenly cut off.

    considered the single biggest advance in modern medicine.

    But imagine if the supply of antibiotics to the United States was suddenly cut off.


    American national security officials are worrying about that scenario as they come to grips with this little understood fact: The vast majority of key ingredients for drugs that many Americans rely on are manufactured abroad, mostly in China.

    As the U.S. defense establishment grows increasingly concerned about China's potentially hostile ambitions, the pharmaceutical supply chain is receiving new scrutiny.

    "If China shut the door on exports of medicines and their key ingredients and raw material, U.S. hospitals and military hospitals and clinics would cease to function within months, if not days," said Rosemary Gibson, author of a book on the subject, "China Rx."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/u-s-officials-worried-about-chinese-control-american-drug-supply-n1052376
    smeagolheart
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    The President has been in direct contact with at least two people who have tested positive within the last two weeks, and he is glad handling and shaking hands with the entire upper apparatus of his response team and American business CEOs at this press conference, despite his refusal to get tested. Unreal.

    We need to get this next part into people's thick skulls FAST: at no time in our lives has our personal behavior more affected the fate of others. If we don't adapt to this credo, we're screwed.
    ThacoBell
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,037
    I guess you could always hope for martial law. Once implemented, your aunt will be forced to stay home at gunpoint, which will definitely keep her safe from catching anything from anyone else. Martial law would also force everyone to get tested.

    Perhaps we should be repatriating all that critical manufacturing and production so that China cannot threaten in that regard any more.
    Ardanis
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    I guess you could always hope for martial law. Once implemented, your aunt will be forced to stay home at gunpoint, which will definitely keep her safe from catching anything from anyone else. Martial law would also force everyone to get tested.

    Perhaps we should be repatriating all that critical manufacturing and production so that China cannot threaten in that regard any more.

    I don't really see how this rhetoric helps the situation or the discussion. If this rundown is even 75% on the money, we are in for the greatest social upheaval since the Great Depression:

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    I am not suggesting people panic or that they start hoarding goods (but that is inevitably what people who are trying their best to ignore this throw at you to shift the conversation). I'm saying our behavior as a society is going to have to fundmentally change for at least 2-3 months to successfully mitigate this, and frankly, I don't think we're capable of it.
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  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    I guess you could always hope for martial law. Once implemented, your aunt will be forced to stay home at gunpoint, which will definitely keep her safe from catching anything from anyone else. Martial law would also force everyone to get tested.

    Perhaps we should be repatriating all that critical manufacturing and production so that China cannot threaten in that regard any more.

    I don't really see how this rhetoric helps the situation or the discussion. If this rundown is even 75% on the money, we are in for the greatest social upheaval since the Great Depression:

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    I am not suggesting people panic or that they start hoarding goods (but that is inevitably what people who are trying their best to ignore this throw at you to shift the conversation). I'm saying our behavior as a society is going to have to fundmentally change for at least 2-3 months to successfully mitigate this, and frankly, I don't think we're capable of it.

    We'll get through it. As cynical as I am about human nature, humans always manage to amaze me when the shit hits the fan.
    Mathsorcerer
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    Tha chances for a rosier than expected outcome are dwindling by the hour:


    Just was at the grocery store (I'm buying just a few things each evening after work to be responsible to others). National Enquirer, which is at the front of every damn checkout line in the country has a headline: "Coronavirus cure finally found". The editors and publisher should be jailed. This is nothing less than yelling fire on a crowded theater. We aren't just dealing with the math of exponential growth. We are combating a society that has been dumbed down to lowest common denominator. And stores should be ashamed for stocking this trash.
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  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    The Chief Justice of the United States

    One First Street, N.E.

    Washington, D.C. 20543

    March 11, 2020

    Dear Chief Justice Roberts:

    I hereby resign my membership in the Supreme Court Bar.

    This was not an easy decision. I have been a member of the Supreme Court Bar since 1972, far longer than you have, and appeared before the Court, both in person and on briefs, on several occasions as Deputy and First Deputy Attorney General of Hawaii before being appointed as a Hawaii District Court judge in 1986. I have a high regard for the work of the Federal Judiciary and taught the Federal Courts course at the University of Hawaii Richardson School of Law for a decade in the 1980s and 1990s. This due regard spanned the tenures of Chief Justices Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist before your appointment and confirmation in 2005. I have not always agreed with the Court’s decisions, but until recently I have generally seen them as products of mainstream legal reasoning, whether liberal or conservative. The legal conservatism I have respected– that of, for example, Justice Lewis Powell, Alexander Bickel or Paul Bator– at a minimum enshrined the idea of stare decisis and eschewed the idea of radical change in legal doctrine for political ends.

    I can no longer say that with any confidence. You are doing far more— and far worse– than “calling balls and strikes.” You are allowing the Court to become an “errand boy” for an administration that has little respect for the rule of law.

    The Court, under your leadership and with your votes, has wantonly flouted established precedent. Your “conservative” majority has cynically undermined basic freedoms by hypocritically weaponizing others. The ideas of free speech and religious liberty have been transmogrified to allow officially sanctioned bigotry and discrimination, as well as to elevate the grossest forms of political bribery beyond the ability of the federal government or states to rationally regulate it. More than a score of decisions during your tenure have overturned established precedents—some more than forty years old– and you voted with the majority in most. There is nothing “conservative” about this trend. This is radical “legal activism” at its worst.

    Without trying to write a law review article, I believe that the Court majority, under your leadership, has become little more than a result-oriented extension of the right wing of the Republican Party, as vetted by the Federalist Society. Yes, politics has always been a factor in the Court’s history, but not to today’s extent. Even routine rules of statutory construction get subverted or ignored to achieve transparently political goals. The rationales of “textualism” and “originalism” are mere fig leaves masking right wing political goals; sheer casuistry.

    Your public pronouncements suggest that you seem concerned about the legitimacy of the Court in today’s polarized environment. We all should be. Yet your actions, despite a few bromides about objectivity, say otherwise.

    It is clear to me that your Court is willfully hurtling back to the cruel days of Lochner and even Plessy. The only constitutional freedoms ultimately recognized may soon be limited to those useful to wealthy, Republican, White, straight, Christian, and armed males— and the corporations they control. This is wrong. Period. This is not America.

    I predict that your legacy will ultimately be as diminished as that of Chief Justice Melville Fuller, who presided over both Plessy and Lochner. It still could become that of his revered fellow Justice John Harlan the elder, an honest conservative, but I doubt that it will. Feel free to prove me wrong.

    The Supreme Court of the United States is respected when it wields authority and not mere power. As has often been said, you are infallible because you are final, but not the other way around.

    I no longer have respect for you or your majority, and I have little hope for change. I can’t vote you out of office because you have life tenure, but I can withdraw whatever insignificant support my Bar membership might seem to provide.

    Please remove my name from the rolls.

    With deepest regret,

    James Dannenberg
    ThacoBell
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    James Dannenberg is a retired Hawaii state judge. He sat on the District Court of the 1st Circuit of the state judiciary for 27 years. Before that, he served as the deputy attorney general of Hawaii. He was also an adjunct professor at the University of Hawaii Richardson School of Law, teaching federal jurisdiction for more than a decade. He has appeared on briefs and petitions as part of the most prestigious association of attorneys in the country: the Supreme Court Bar. The lawyers admitted to practice before the high court enjoy preferred seating at arguments and access to the court library, and are deemed members of the legal elite. Above all, the bar stands as a sprawling national signifier that the work of the court, the legitimacy of the institution, and the business of justice is bolstered by tens of thousands of lawyers across the nation.

    On Wednesday, Dannenberg tendered a letter of resignation from the Supreme Court Bar to Chief Justice John Roberts. He has been a member of that bar since 1972. In his letter, reprinted in full above, Dannenberg compares the current Supreme Court, with its boundless solicitude for the rights of the wealthy, the privileged, and the comfortable, to the court that ushered in the Lochner era in the early 20th century, a period of profound judicial activism that put a heavy thumb on the scale for big business, banking, and insurance interests, and ruled consistently against child labor, fair wages, and labor regulations
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  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,037
    jjstraka34 wrote: »

    The URL of the article you cite reads "act today or people will die". How is that *not* suggesting panic?

    Mr. Dannenberg is just another quitter, like Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Amy Klobuchar. If they were POTUS they would not have the option of quitting. Tulsi Gabbard is not a quitter--people should be taking notice of that.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    jjstraka34 wrote: »

    The URL of the article you cite reads "act today or people will die". How is that *not* suggesting panic?

    Mr. Dannenberg is just another quitter, like Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Amy Klobuchar. If they were POTUS they would not have the option of quitting. Tulsi Gabbard is not a quitter--people should be taking notice of that.

    It's amazing that stating an obviously true fact based on everything we've seen in other countries is now considered "panic". This is part of the problem. "Acting" is not heading to the store and loading your cart with everything not nailed down. Acting is implementing the social distancing measures that are literally the ONLY thing that has stopped it (eventually, after weeks or months). We are doing some of this, kind of. Every day we delay what we're inevitably going to be forced to do anyway, we're killing people. Again, I pray to god I'm incorrect, but on March 23/24, no one is going to be talking like this. Because that is when the REAL panic is gonna set in.
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  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »

    The URL of the article you cite reads "act today or people will die". How is that *not* suggesting panic?

    Mr. Dannenberg is just another quitter, like Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Amy Klobuchar. If they were POTUS they would not have the option of quitting. Tulsi Gabbard is not a quitter--people should be taking notice of that.

    It's amazing that stating an obviously true fact based on everything we've seen in other countries is now considered "panic". This is part of the problem. "Acting" is not heading to the store and loading your cart with everything not nailed down. Acting is implementing the social distancing measures that are literally the ONLY thing that has stopped it (eventually, after weeks or months). We are doing some of this, kind of. Every day we delay what we're inevitably going to be forced to do anyway, we're killing people. Again, I pray to god I'm incorrect, but on March 23/24, no one is going to be talking like this. Because that is when the REAL panic is gonna set in.

    A week ago there was nobody famous with the disease now there's Tom Hanks and his wife, Trudeau's wife, a handful of NBA players, Bolsanaro and his henchmen, and more. For better or worse, people notice when the famous people get infected. When some of these people start dropping dead people will really notice.
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,037
    Name any concert, theme park, sporting event, or other social gathering which has *not* been canceled or put on hold indefinitely; even the zoos in this area are temporarily closing, for which the animals are thankful, I am certain. I cannot think of any, so I am uncertain how social distancing is that much of a problem--there isn't anything for people to go do, at least not in large numbers. I don't think the casinos have shut down yet, but those don't exist everywhere. Right now, the only panic I have heard about are the people who think, like that elderly couple in the CNN story, that by going into a store they are going to *die*--they sat in their car for 45 minutes until one helpful person took their money, went inside to fill out their list, then returned with their items and change. Of course, my second job is replenishing the grocery and dairy backstock at a grocery store and there may not be much for me to do this evening--on Thursday we ran out of milk, except for the odd/specialty items like strawberry milk, buttermilk, and goat milk.

    Let us focus on the political aspects of this event, though. How far do you want measures to go to ensure that we are helping stop the spread? Mandatory curfews? No being out in public unless you have a valid reason to be out in public? Right now there is no law *mandating* that people engage in social distancing, an event for which introverts have been training their entire lives, so if something is not required by law then people are going to do it, even if they shouldn't because it is a bad idea.
    Balrog99
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Certain places have to remain open. Medical, grocery, pharmacy. Throw in whatever else you like. Everything else should be moving into shutdown mode immediately. My work has seemed to START the process of getting us set-up to work from home, but this should have been done weeks ago. There are no confirmed cases in our area yet, but it's basically 3 cities interconnected with a quarter million people and the largest hospital facility from Seattle to the Mississippi River. It's only a matter of time. Restaurants need to move to delivery only, and all the delivery services I used are sending emails within the last 48 hours about no-contact drop-off options.
    ThacoBell
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,037
    edited March 2020
    All things considered, I actually don't mind a policy of "avoid other people at all cost"--most people aren't worth being around, anyway.

    Should *all* large groups of people be suspended or canceled right now? Even Congress?

    Incidentally, a brick/mortar comics/gaming store in my area is still running a draft for MtG tonight. That's right--open a pack, run your grubby fingers all over the cards, pick one, and then pass the cards to the person on your left. Do that 14 more times. Open another pack--repeat. Open a third pack--repeat. You get the idea.
    Balrog99MaleficentOne
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    We are so not ready for this, and you know what else isn't very reassuring??:


    Can't shoot or kill your way out of this one, folks. No amount of bullets will help you. All I see in other counties is community solidarity. We're buying fucking guns. God help us.
    ThacoBell
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,037
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Can't shoot or kill your way out of this one, folks. No amount of bullets will help you.

    No, but the immediacy of the panic is such that when the situation has not improved in the next week some people are going to resort to looting. We already have supplies sufficient to ride out at least one week, nearly two if we are careful.

    A coworker of mine got released on Monday. There is an unopened bottle of hand sanitizer on his desk. Should I make $50 the easy way? (clearly I jest--I would never price gouge anyone)
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    We are so not ready for this, and you know what else isn't very reassuring??:


    Can't shoot or kill your way out of this one, folks. No amount of bullets will help you.

    But you need them to protect your rolls of toilet paper!

    With that, I am going to dinner tonight, at an all you can eat restaurant. The rest of my family are flying down to Mexico tomorrow morning.

    Am I concerned that I personally am going to get sick, sure, but I also think at this point it’s unavoidable, so carry on with life normally. Albeit, I don’t have any elderly or people with immune system problems so I personally think I can think like that.
    Balrog99
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    France and Spain are going into the same lockdown as Italy. It is absolute insanity (and the all-time height of American arrogance) that we think we aren't headed there ourselves. We should do it now, but instead, we'll wait while watching our own future play out in Europe. At this point I'm just straight-up stunned that we don't understand this.
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    So I'm currently expecting to see these exact same type of articles from the left about Mexico and Guatmela now. I want to hear how they are all racist, xenophobic, alt right, and how walls can't stop viruses so they need to open their boarders.

    "World leaders have long linked germs and immigrants to stoke fear in moments of crisis.

    Seated behind his desk in the White House Wednesday, Trump looked into the camera and warned Americans of an enemy who has infiltrated our borders. We are at war, he said, with a “foreign virus.”


    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/11/21175987/trump-travel-ban-europe-coronavirus-speech


    “We are therefore announcing that everyone who arrives from Canada and the United States between now and midnight on Monday will be subject to quarantining,” Giammattei said in a televised address.

    The president said he had also asked the Mexican government to halt deportations of migrants by land to Guatemala.

    No cruise ships will be allowed to dock, but public events and school classes would go ahead for the time being, he added.

    Earlier this week, Guatemala banned arrivals from European countries, China, Iran, South Korea and North Korea.

    Earlier in the day, the Central American country announced its first case of confirmed coronavirus infection. The man had come to Guatemala from Madrid via Colombia, Giammattei said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-guatemala-idUSKBN211010
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  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    France and Spain are going into the same lockdown as Italy. It is absolute insanity (and the all-time height of American arrogance) that we think we aren't headed there ourselves. We should do it now, but instead, we'll wait while watching our own future play out in Europe. At this point I'm just straight-up stunned that we don't understand this.
    In correct, we know we are heading there, just look at what the government is doing compared to what they are saying...

    On top of that people constantly lying saying the flu is worse, when this thing was no real way comparible to the flu.

    It's interesting really, people are complaining that our government didn't do anything to help prevent this, or wasn't fast enough, are the same people who want the government to consolidate HEALTH CARE AND THE MEDICAL SYSTEM in this country.

    Funniest part about all of this, every single time people started to say, "get some emergency supplies just in case." They were laughed at and shouted down. Liberals downplayed this shit just like Republicans.

    Just paying attention to how China acted when this first appeared should've been a read flag to everyone. People was releasing pictures of people dropping in the streets , before the Chinese government started snatching the ish down. They locked up whistle blowers quickly and even literally barred people in their own houses.

    All of this before it even touched ground her in the states. And both the left and the right ignored it and downplayed it.
    Even freaking now people are still downplaying it. There is a difference between not wanting to cause panic and straight up being dismissive of it.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2020
    DragonKing wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    France and Spain are going into the same lockdown as Italy. It is absolute insanity (and the all-time height of American arrogance) that we think we aren't headed there ourselves. We should do it now, but instead, we'll wait while watching our own future play out in Europe. At this point I'm just straight-up stunned that we don't understand this.
    In correct, we know we are heading there, just look at what the government is doing compared to what they are saying...

    On top of that people constantly lying saying the flu is worse, when this thing was no real way comparible to the flu.

    It's interesting really, people are complaining that our government didn't do anything to help prevent this, or wasn't fast enough, are the same people who want the government to consolidate HEALTH CARE AND THE MEDICAL SYSTEM in this country.

    Funniest part about all of this, every single time people started to say, "get some emergency supplies just in case." They were laughed at and shouted down. Liberals downplayed this shit just like Republicans.

    Just paying attention to how China acted when this first appeared should've been a read flag to everyone. People was releasing pictures of people dropping in the streets , before the Chinese government started snatching the ish down. They locked up whistle blowers quickly and even literally barred people in their own houses.

    All of this before it even touched ground her in the states. And both the left and the right ignored it and downplayed it.
    Even freaking now people are still downplaying it. There is a difference between not wanting to cause panic and straight up being dismissive of it.

    ONLY the American right has been PURPOSEFULLY downplaying this the last two weeks to protect the President. Every liberal on Twitter has their hair on fire trying to warn people what's coming. If I read the line "most of Italy's population is old" one more time I'm going to lose my shit. There is a significant portion of this country who thinks this is a hoax, and trust me, it isn't because of what's on CNN and MSNBC. It's because of what's on the 3rd network. Even @Balrog99 agrees with me 100% on this. The deaths of countless senior citizens will be able to be laid directly at the doorstep of FOX News.
    smeagolheartBalrog99ThacoBell
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    DragonKing wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    France and Spain are going into the same lockdown as Italy. It is absolute insanity (and the all-time height of American arrogance) that we think we aren't headed there ourselves. We should do it now, but instead, we'll wait while watching our own future play out in Europe. At this point I'm just straight-up stunned that we don't understand this.
    In correct, we know we are heading there, just look at what the government is doing compared to what they are saying...

    On top of that people constantly lying saying the flu is worse, when this thing was no real way comparible to the flu.

    It's interesting really, people are complaining that our government didn't do anything to help prevent this, or wasn't fast enough, are the same people who want the government to consolidate HEALTH CARE AND THE MEDICAL SYSTEM in this country.

    Funniest part about all of this, every single time people started to say, "get some emergency supplies just in case." They were laughed at and shouted down. Liberals downplayed this shit just like Republicans.

    Just paying attention to how China acted when this first appeared should've been a read flag to everyone. People was releasing pictures of people dropping in the streets , before the Chinese government started snatching the ish down. They locked up whistle blowers quickly and even literally barred people in their own houses.

    All of this before it even touched ground her in the states. And both the left and the right ignored it and downplayed it.
    Even freaking now people are still downplaying it. There is a difference between not wanting to cause panic and straight up being dismissive of it.

    ONLY the American right has been PURPOSEFULLY downplaying this the last two weeks to protect the President. Every liberal on Twitter has their hair on fire trying to warn people what's coming. If I read the line "most of Italy's population is old" one more time I'm going to lose my shit. There is a significant portion of this country who thinks this is a hoax, and trust me, it isn't because of what's on CNN and MSNBC. It's because of what's on the 3rd network. Even @Balrog99 agrees with me 100% on this. The deaths of countless senior citizens will be able to be laid directly at the doorstep of FOX News.
    ...-_- I had a whole response typed it, accidently just touched the wrong place on my phone and lost it all... Ef typing all that, here goes the abridged version .

    Twitter? The same Twitter who kept repeating the argument, "the flu kills more people" that Twitter?

    The same Twitter that made fun of Tim Pool for telling everyone to stay safe and get emergency supplies?

    The same Twitter that is so caught in trump derangement syndrome that even when the president repeats something THEY SAY, they call it racist, that Twitter?

    If you think Fox news is the one who holds all the blame then you're either willfully chosing to ignore all the other stations and TWITTER that spread the same false bs.

    If o remember correctly, I'll have to go back and double check, but even Tucker Carlson was calling the bs out on how the virus was being down played
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Twitter is not the Borg. Is is made up of individual people (or bots) posting. If you want to a bet on the people saying "it's just the flu" being OVERWHELMINGLY conservative, I will put a $1000 on it seven days a week and twice on Sunday.
    smeagolheartThacoBell
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Twitter is not the Borg. Is is made up of individual people
    Same logic applies to fox news, spoiler alert a lot of actual liberals work there.

    Same logic literally applies literally any group you can mention, I don't care of it's the black panther party or the KKK.

    There is literally a reason I distinctly seperate generals from individuals.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited March 2020
    Um, well if you can't see that Fox News is full of corona deniers and conservatives are pushing the conspiracy that "it's just the flu!" then you are missing something that is clearly there to be seen.

    Yes Tucker Carlson is apparently a notable exception who is not downplaying it but he's the exception and he's still calling it "the chinese flu" which is intentionally misleading because a virus doesn't need immigration papers and is all over the globe.

    For example Fox Business host Trish Regan on 'hiatus' amid controversial coronavirus remarks where she said INSANE things.

    Video here:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-business-host-trish-regan-unleashes-batshit-rant-about-coronavirus-impeachment-scam

    Alternate source
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/487577-fox-business-says-host-trisha-regan-on-hiatus-amid-controversial-coronavirus

    Fox News accused of downplaying coronavirus as it moves to protect staff

    The cable news channel has featured guests suggesting an anti-Trump agenda among those calling for more action and others promoting conspiracy theories

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/13/fox-news-accused-of-downplaying-coronavirus-as-it-moves-to-protect-staff

    No other network peddles lies and conspiracies like Fox does. People who watch Fox News are less informed than people who watch no news. That's scientific fact.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

    Grond0ThacoBell
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