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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    All he cares about is the sound bite and the money that comes with it.

    This I agree with, well said.

    Now on Milo the "Catholic Queer Greek/Jew that likes black men" self proclaimed, If he is what passes for fascist these days we have nothing to worry about.

    Milo's completely irrelevant these days but there's actual documented evidence of his work to promote the alt-right.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNLPIRS62g - That appears to be Richard Spencer doing that Nazi salute in a gathering of white supremacists while Milo sings "America the Beautiful."

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism - Check out this well documented story about how Milo used his position at Breitbart to bring white supremacy front and center.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Röhm - Ernst Röhm is well documented as a gay member of the Nazi party, before he was killed during the Night of Long Knives.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html - There were Jewish men in the Nazi's army.

    Anyway, fascism in and of itself is not specific to any particular race, it's about nationalism. A common manifestation of it is white nationalism, which we see currently in the US and UK, as well as other European nations. But we can see the Proud Boys actively recruit men of color, and Andy Ngo, who is Vietnamese-American, but who is a threat to Portland's communities and provides kill lists to Atomwaffen, as they say in some part of the internets.

    Of course there were Jews in the Nazi party, Ashke(nazi).

    The Proud Boys or ALt-right/lite have every right to exist if Antifa and other Marxist Anarchist groups do. Both sides these days are provocateurs and shit disturbers for hire. People who affiliate themselves or associate with these groups should be drawn and quartered.

    Also I don't understand why people say only Fascism is Nationalistic, Communism is also. China, Cuba, North Korea, Laos and Vietnam.

    We're all still waiting on the first homicide from Antifa, and it's been almost 4 years. Know of at least 3 deaths that can be DIRECTLY tied to the Alt-right world-view (Charlottesville and the Portland train stabbings). And that number is only that low if you're gonna flat-out ignore the 22 people killed in El Paso perpetrated by a guy who wrote a manifesto about how he was going there to murder immigrants. But we won't ignore that. So, at BEST as of April 2020, the death scorecard is: Alt-Right-25 Antifa-0. But BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!

    Took me two seconds to find this article from late last year. I think the Dayton dude is mentioned. He may not have been a card-carrying antifa member, but if I remember right his views overlapped with theirs.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/antifa-far-left-violence-extremism-deadly-year-opnion-1477065?amp=1

    Well, #1, I already read that, and #2, you're counting the guy HIMSELF as a murder because he was killed by police?? That's what they have. An extreme leftist got himself killed. We're comparing that equally to two dozen cold-blooded murders?? Come on.

    Then Ngo goes on to paint a conspiracy theory worthy of Seth Rich that because a known Antifa member turned up dead, he MUST have been killed by other members while providing.....no evidence whatsoever (besides a random Facebook post). In fact, Ngo himself invented this theory out of whole cloth. I remember in real-time when he did so. "A car with bullet holes in it". Sounds alot like those theories in the '90s that because two teens were found dead on a train track in Arkansas, it must have been the Clintons who killed them (yup, that was a thing).

    So let's say EVERYTHING in this is what he suspects it is. That would still mean the only people Antifa has killed is......each other. One suicide by cop and one (big maybe) inside hit job. Thin gruel indeed.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    bleusteel wrote: »
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    bleusteel wrote: »
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    Got an email from our bank about the corona stimulus. They say that benefits would be based on tax returns, which would mean my family gets nothing. I thought that was negotiated to be based on scoial security?

    If you’re receiving social security benefits, you should be able to receive the impact payment without filing a return according to this press release from the Treasury Dept:

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm967

    We've been trying to get social security for 6 years now. according to every single proffesional we talk to, we not only qualify, but we are MORE qualified for it than most people that receive it. Nothing like getting screwed over.

    @jjstraka34 Considering that we have 0 income. I don't even know HOW we'd file taxes...

    Hey @ThacoBell did you see that non-filers can update their info with the IRS to get the stimulus payout?

    https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/economic-impact-payments

    He claimed us as dependants. We can't file our own form.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    I was referring to Connor Betts (the Dayton shooter) with my comment. He was mentioned in that article but wasn't the main point of it.
  • MaleficentOneMaleficentOne Member Posts: 211
    edited April 2020
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    All he cares about is the sound bite and the money that comes with it.

    This I agree with, well said.

    Now on Milo the "Catholic Queer Greek/Jew that likes black men" self proclaimed, If he is what passes for fascist these days we have nothing to worry about.

    Milo's completely irrelevant these days but there's actual documented evidence of his work to promote the alt-right.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNLPIRS62g - That appears to be Richard Spencer doing that Nazi salute in a gathering of white supremacists while Milo sings "America the Beautiful."

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism - Check out this well documented story about how Milo used his position at Breitbart to bring white supremacy front and center.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Röhm - Ernst Röhm is well documented as a gay member of the Nazi party, before he was killed during the Night of Long Knives.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html - There were Jewish men in the Nazi's army.

    Anyway, fascism in and of itself is not specific to any particular race, it's about nationalism. A common manifestation of it is white nationalism, which we see currently in the US and UK, as well as other European nations. But we can see the Proud Boys actively recruit men of color, and Andy Ngo, who is Vietnamese-American, but who is a threat to Portland's communities and provides kill lists to Atomwaffen, as they say in some part of the internets.

    Of course there were Jews in the Nazi party, Ashke(nazi).

    The Proud Boys or ALt-right/lite have every right to exist if Antifa and other Marxist Anarchist groups do. Both sides these days are provocateurs and shit disturbers for hire. People who affiliate themselves or associate with these groups should be drawn and quartered.

    Also I don't understand why people say only Fascism is Nationalistic, Communism is also. China, Cuba, North Korea, Laos and Vietnam.

    We're all still waiting on the first homicide from Antifa, and it's been almost 4 years. Know of at least 3 deaths that can be DIRECTLY tied to the Alt-right world-view (Charlottesville and the Portland train stabbings). And that number is only that low if you're gonna flat-out ignore the 22 people killed in El Paso perpetrated by a guy who wrote a manifesto about how he was going there to murder immigrants. But we won't ignore that. So, at BEST as of April 2020, the death scorecard is: Alt-Right-25 Antifa-0. But BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

    https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-far-left-violence-extremism-deadly-year-opnion-1477065

    https://mynorthwest.com/1450698/tacoma-detention-center-shooting-manifesto/
    Good thing they got him first.

    https://reason.com/2017/09/08/antifa-has-backed-its-message-with-viole/

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

    As long as they kill each other it's totally fine to have their little spats. I've said before they are all paid provocateurs that are taking advantage of the political climates in countries.

    Still standing, if anyone associates with these groups in today's society where we are trying to come together and understand our differences at a human level, should be dragged through the streets. There is no need for these types of extremes in a civil, democratic society. Sympathizers should be put into this group as well. We are either for freedom of oppression in all its forms or just another parrot cawing for their favorite team. The parrots are what they are, they never get their hands dirty but if they make enough noise they can cause a violent negative response.

    *To try and not sound too direct, this comment has been edited.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    After multiple days under 30k in new cases per day, we spiked right back up to that number again this afternoon. We are now getting a more accurate counting of people dying in their homes rather than the hospital, and we're now hitting nearly 2500 deaths a day. Nearly the amount of people who died in 9/11 dying every 24 hours. The talk about reopening anything at this point with these numbers where they are and absolutely NO national plan for testing and contact tracing even being envisioned, much less worked on, is lunacy.
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    edited April 2020
    DinoDin wrote: »

    Andy Ngo is not a trustworthy journalist, sorry. A shame on Newsweek for running a story from him too. Though it does belie the claim that "mainstream media" won't run stories by conservatives, that's for sure.

    Isn't it notable that the opening example is of a father in the midst of a custody dispute who also happens to be sympathetic to antifa? No, that's not telling at all? I'm sorry, but *I* wouldn't be so disingenuous to credit violence committed in the midst of a child custody dispute on the political ideology of the parent.

    Ngo however is. And notably, that's his headlining example.

    It's wild that wikipedia uncritically reports Andy's claim that he's center right given that there's video of him hanging out with members of a far right group plotting a violent attack on people hanging out at a bar, and laughing about it. Plus there's the endless litany of documented lies from him, such as photos of far right types who violently attacked antifa and were fought off, and painting them as innocent victims of violent leftist attacks.

    Plus there's the far right's obsession with falsely painting specific leftists as mass shooters in the first few hours after the shooting happens, hoping to get ahead of the actual news and firmly plant the notion that antifa kill people in the public eye.

    Here's a more balanced article on Betts

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html
  • dunbardunbar Member Posts: 1,603
    Someone please tell me that this isn't really happening and that The Independent has got it completely wrong:

    "Trump news - live: President throws wild accusations at WHO about coronavirus as he threatens to adjourn House and Senate (Follow the latest updates from the court of King Trump)"
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-coronavirus-us-update-today-who-funding-twitter-a9465681.html
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    dunbar wrote: »
    Someone please tell me that this isn't really happening and that The Independent has got it completely wrong:

    "Trump news - live: President throws wild accusations at WHO about coronavirus as he threatens to adjourn House and Senate (Follow the latest updates from the court of King Trump)"
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-coronavirus-us-update-today-who-funding-twitter-a9465681.html

    He absolutely said he might do it. And not for any reason other than ramming through his appointees without Congressional approval. For the record, in 24 hours, he has suggested 1.) Stripping power from Governors and 2.) What is essentially temporarily dissolving Congress. 35% of the country is absolutely fine with this. The Republicans are nothing more than an American Fascist Party. Period. End of discussion. There isn't even ideology behind any of this anymore. It's the rabid cult of a madman.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited April 2020
    43,000 taxpayers, who earn more than $1 million annually, are each set to receive a $1.7 million windfall, on average, thanks to a provision buried in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

    Republicans don't give a damn about you. They're the party of the elites. We live in an authoritarian far right Kleptocracy. And it's awful.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/14/why-are-rich-americans-getting-17-million-stimulus-checks/#f281e57665b4
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,389
    In Trump's briefing yesterday there was an obviously staged question referring to allegations on Fox News that the US government had high confidence the SARS-CoV-2 virus had been accidentally released by the Wuhan research lab as a result of poor safety protocols.

    He gave a surprisingly careful answer to that - suggesting to me he'd actually prepared pretty thoroughly for it. On first hearing my guess is that many people will have taken the impression that the US government does have that confidence, but what Trump actually said is that they've been hearing the same story.

    I can't of course rule out that there was some sort of accident in the Wuhan lab, but I can be certain in my own mind that this entire story is fictitious and that the US intelligence agencies have no specific reason at all to believe that.

    It really is bizarre following what are theoretically the same sort of briefings about Covid-19 in both the US and UK. In the UK they're pretty dry, factual affairs with heavy input from scientific staff and concentrating entirely on the progress of the disease and the actions being taken to deal with it. In the US - well you can fill in the gaps for yourself ...
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    Grond0 wrote: »
    In Trump's briefing yesterday there was an obviously staged question referring to allegations on Fox News that the US government had high confidence the SARS-CoV-2 virus had been accidentally released by the Wuhan research lab as a result of poor safety protocols.

    He gave a surprisingly careful answer to that - suggesting to me he'd actually prepared pretty thoroughly for it. On first hearing my guess is that many people will have taken the impression that the US government does have that confidence, but what Trump actually said is that they've been hearing the same story.

    I can't of course rule out that there was some sort of accident in the Wuhan lab, but I can be certain in my own mind that this entire story is fictitious and that the US intelligence agencies have no specific reason at all to believe that.

    It really is bizarre following what are theoretically the same sort of briefings about Covid-19 in both the US and UK. In the UK they're pretty dry, factual affairs with heavy input from scientific staff and concentrating entirely on the progress of the disease and the actions being taken to deal with it. In the US - well you can fill in the gaps for yourself ...

    The "sources" who are hearing it are almost certainly from the White House. They give that story to CNN and the Washington Post, they print it, and now it's suddenly legitimate. I've read the stories, and it is nothing but paragraph after paragraph of "some people are saying". Something is being manufactured, but it likely isn't the virus.

    As for the daily press briefings at the White House, they have absolutely nothing to do with public health. They are substitutes for Trump's now impossible to hold campaign rallies. No new information is ever given, he goes on for 90-120 minutes, spending most of that time shifting blame and lying about what happened/is going to happen. Trump's only "goal" here is, again, to win any media war he can within a 24-hour period. NOTHING is being driven by saving lives. This is how we go from "15 cases soon to be zero" to "anything under 100,000 deaths is a great success". Trump follows the basic rules of propaganda, and they still work. Make wild claims, say them loudly, and say them often.
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  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    copied from elsewhere: Trump and Republican response to Coronavirus is not just a failure. It's been a literal scam.

    Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word. (1)

    This is in addition to the Fed stealing supplies from shipments from states, and acts of piracy abroad. (2)

    Here's how what they're doing works:
    1.) Eliminate oversight of the spending of nearly a trillion dollars of tax dollars. (3)

    2.) Acquire the authority to command which businesses get which contracts. (4)

    3.) Have trusted people stand up companies through which the money can be funneled (3 week old company, founded through a loan approved via the Coronavirus Stimulus bill, is now the center of medical supply distribution): (5) “I don’t want to overstate, but we probably represent the largest global supply chain for Covid-19 supplies right now,” he said. “We are getting ready to fill 100 million-unit mask orders.” (16)

    4.) Have the federal government sell, at a reduced price, its strategic stockpile to the new companies, run by your buddies. (6) (15)

    5.) Have the states bid on the supplies, driving up the price. (7)

    6.) Have the federal government spend taxpayer dollars to ship supplies purchased from China to these brand new private companies. (8)

    7.) Eliminate the competition. Attack any company that doesn’t play ball. (9)

    States are having to smuggle in supplies aboard sports teams jets, and escort them with state police (10). Is it really to this point that we're going to have to have states deploy the national guard to protect their shipments and supplies and treat the federal government like the enemy?

    This is no different from the Somalian government stealing food sent by the United Nations and cartels selling it illegally. (11)

    Except in this situation FEMA is the cartels and the banana republic is the United States.

    Also regarding Trump removing the watchdog overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus bill? In 1998 the Supreme Court ruled line item vetos are unconstitutional. (12)

    His excuse? The Take Care Clause. And the Take Care Clause just says the President can't make his underlings do stuff that's against the law. It underscores that the executive is under a duty to faithfully execute the laws of Congress and not disregard them. (13)

    If you don't know what that's about, Trump wrote a line item veto into the stimulus bill that he was going to ignore the oversight provisions in the bill and do it himself. (14)

    1 - https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

    2 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52161995

    3 - https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/490737-stimulus-opens-new-front-in-trumps-oversight-fight

    4 -
    5 - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184

    6 -
    7 -
    8 - https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823543513/project-airbridge-to-expedite-arrival-of-needed-supplies-white-house-says

    9 - https://mothership.sg/2020/04/trump-3m-10-million-masks/

    10 - https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-million-n95-masks-are-coming-from-chinaon-board-the-new-england-patriots-plane-11585821600

    11 - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/10/aid-somalia-stolen-un-report

    12 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_New_York

    13 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution

    14 - https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/03/trump-says-hell-ignore-key-oversight-provision-in-stimulus-bill-1/

    15 -

    16 - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    This idea of "declaring" a consumer-based economy "open" is hilarious on it's face. What are they going to do, frog-march us all into Applebee's and Chili's for appetizers during happy hour?? Until the public can be reasonably sure going out is safe, it isn't going to make a lick of difference. If even say, half the country doesn't believe enough has been done from a testing perspective for it to work, they simply aren't going to participate in the re-opening. What Trump doesn't understand AT ALL is that he can't turn this on like a faucet. He has to make people BELIEVE it's going to be ok. And he has done nothing concrete from an Administrative perspective to make that happen. It's just platitudes and bloviating. You can reopen all the restaurants and bars you want. If the clientle drops by 60% compared to pre-COVID, it won't matter.
  • jonesr65jonesr65 Member Posts: 66
    I am going to make I have enough food for 2 weeks so I will only have to go to Wally World once or twice for milk and bread on the state of Arkansas opens up. Not going anywhere else and I am going to keep my kids limited as much as possible ( I can't stop the adult ones from going to work but I'm letting hang out with friends, shopping, etc. Going to stay off the roads as much as possible people are going to be driving like idiots.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    The Trump administration paid $55mil for N95 masks to a bankrupt company with 0 employees.

    Apparently they are being paid $5.50/mask while 3M charges $0.63/mask. This company has not produced health products to this point.

    Article here:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/fema-paid-bankrupt-company-no-employees-55-million-n95-masks-2020-4
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,389
    Further to the recent discussion about Africans in China, this BBC story today refers to both the big reduction in numbers of Africans in China in recent years and that there is clear discrimination against those that are left in the wake of Covid-19.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    deltago wrote: »
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).

    Multiple thoughts here:

    1.) Like the Tea Party, this is being astroturfed. An organization funded by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos (and her war criminal brother Erick Prince) is behind it.

    2.) These people prevented an ambulance from being able to get out of a parking lot for at least 15 minutes. So they might have literally killed someone.

    3.) If everything is as fine and safe as these people claim, why did the bulk of the protest take place in their cars??

    4.) What does the Confederate flag have to do with any of this?? This symbol being brought to a protest in MICHIGAN, a Union state, which is ostensibly about a quarantine, should put to bed once and for all the argument about what this flag is all about (hint: it isn't "Southern heritage").

    5.) While the reports were that THOUSANDS of people showed up, I counted maybe 50-70 cars in the picture I saw. So unless there was 20 people piling into each one, it was definitely NOT that large. Neither were the Tea Party rallies in 2009, but they were covered as if they were a mass uprising.

    6.) Trump's only comment today was that "these people seem to like me". Yeah, no fucking shit.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited April 2020
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    deltago wrote: »
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).

    Multiple thoughts here:

    1.) Like the Tea Party, this is being astroturfed. An organization funded by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos (and her war criminal brother Erick Prince) is behind it.

    2.) These people prevented an ambulance from being able to get out of a parking lot for at least 15 minutes. So they might have literally killed someone.

    3.) If everything is as fine and safe as these people claim, why did the bulk of the protest take place in their cars??

    4.) What does the Confederate flag have to do with any of this?? This symbol being brought to a protest in MICHIGAN, a Union state, which is ostensibly about a quarantine, should put to bed once and for all the argument about what this flag is all about (hint: it isn't "Southern heritage").

    5.) While the reports were that THOUSANDS of people showed up, I counted maybe 50-70 cars in the picture I saw. So unless there was 20 people piling into each one, it was definitely NOT that large. Neither were the Tea Party rallies in 2009, but they were covered as if they were a mass uprising.

    6.) Trump's only comment today was that "these people seem to like me". Yeah, no fucking shit.

    It's likely they will inspire copycats in other states and also get multiple days of positive coverage amid interviews with some selected morons on Fox News.

    Trump's comment today was that "these people seem to like me" and if you like him then you can break the law. He doesn't care.

    He selected people for his committee to reopen America council scam thing. It includes among it's infamous members the Republican senators who committed insider trading and haven't been charged by Barr's corrupt DOJ.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    deltago wrote: »
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).

    I live in Michigan. Even the conservative radio station I listen to (WJR AM-760) for news when I'm driving basically said these people were jackasses. These morons don't represent 99% of Michiganders by any means. They were handing out candy to kids with out gloves on for God's sake!

    Having said that, there are a lot of people legitimately upset by some of the restrictions because they're really arbitrary on what they do and don't allow (for example, you can canoe but you can't use a motorboat of any kind on the water - wtf?).
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    deltago wrote: »
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).

    I live in Michigan. Even the conservative radio station I listen to (WJR AM-760) for news when I'm driving basically said these people were jackasses. These morons don't represent 99% of Michiganders by any means. They were handing out candy to kids with out gloves on for God's sake!

    Having said that, there are a lot of people legitimately upset by some of the restrictions because they're really arbitrary on what they do and don't allow (for example, you can canoe but you can't use a motorboat of any kind on the water - wtf?).

    Exercise compared to recreation is what I think with that boating example.

    But it doesn’t matter who these people represent. Expect more of these and then expect the numbers of cases to increase, then expect these same people to blame the democratic governors for not being able to control the spread of the virus in their state.

    Time will tell the extent of this stupidity I suppose. Just glad I am Canadian.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    deltago wrote: »
    Well it looks like Michigan is going to be the litmus year. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/us/michigan-protest-coronavirus/index.html

    If cases in the state don’t sky rocket in two weeks because of this stupidity, expect more organized protests like this to happen around North America.

    But if cases do spike and it can be linked directly to this protest, expect either stricter lockdown measures being enforced, or people actually smartening up and taking this seriously (but expect the former).

    I live in Michigan. Even the conservative radio station I listen to (WJR AM-760) for news when I'm driving basically said these people were jackasses. These morons don't represent 99% of Michiganders by any means. They were handing out candy to kids with out gloves on for God's sake!

    Having said that, there are a lot of people legitimately upset by some of the restrictions because they're really arbitrary on what they do and don't allow (for example, you can canoe but you can't use a motorboat of any kind on the water - wtf?).

    Was really impressed by the woman who clearly thinks the roots of her hair turning grey is a valid concern in the current climate. I'd like to get a haircut too. Isn't happening. I'm not gonna take an SUV to City Hall and honk the horn about it because I'm not a 5-year old child.

    In other news, the three big TV "doctors" (Dr. Oz, Dr. Drew and Dr. Phil) have all revealed themselves to be nothing less than dangerous quacks in the recent days, and should all never be on TV for a single second ever again.

    Dr. Phil used the "hey, this sounds brilliant in my head" line of "x amount of people die from car crashes and we don't stop driving". Yeah, but guess what?? Car crashes don't spread exponentially. If every person who drove by a car crash on the road then themselves got in a car crash two weeks later, we would, in fact, stop driving until we figured out what was going on.
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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Maybe all those people who celebrated his "new tone" for one afternoon two weeks ago should take a serious look in the mirror and realize they are Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy holding the football:

  • DinoDinDinoDin Member Posts: 1,581
    edited April 2020
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Maybe all those people who celebrated his "new tone" for one afternoon two weeks ago should take a serious look in the mirror and realize they are Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy holding the football:



    One of the more astute political writers of this era, imo has been Serwer, whose ideas I've essentially stolen when talking about the decades-long project of American conservative de-legitimizing everything outside the party. His stories at the Atlantic are definitely worth one's time.

    It's important to note than in all these states that must be "liberated" that Democratic governors won comfortable majorities, as well Democrats control comfortable majorities in some of their state legislatures as well (not true in Michigan, which also suffers from a Wisconsin-style gerrymandered statehouse, more evidence of this philosophy at play). Additionally, polls show that residents in these states, generally, approve of the lockdown measures. Trump, and many prominent conservatives, are calling for minority rule. But that's because they do not believe a certain subset of American deserve equal rights.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    DinoDin wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Maybe all those people who celebrated his "new tone" for one afternoon two weeks ago should take a serious look in the mirror and realize they are Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy holding the football:



    One of the more astute political writers of this era, imo has been Serwer, whose ideas I've essentially stolen when talking about the decades-long project of American conservative de-legitimizing everything outside the party. His stories at the Atlantic are definitely worth one's time.

    It's important to note than in all these states that must be "liberated" that Democratic governors won comfortable majorities, as well Democrats control comfortable majorities in some of their state legislatures as well (not true in Michigan, which also suffers from a Wisconsin-style gerrymandered statehouse, more evidence of this philosophy at play). Additionally, polls show that residents in these states, generally, approve of the lockdown measures. Trump, and many prominent conservatives, are calling for minority rule. But that's because they do not believe a certain subset of American deserve equal rights.

    Unless people understand your last sentence and then accept the basic truth it is saying, they can't understand how we got here. It's been a 40-year project since Reagan (arguably since Goldwater) to destroy government and roll back the New Deal and Civil Rights Act. For the record, Virginia was already "liberated". Guy named Lincoln was responsible. These people are still fighting a proxy Civil War because they lost the first one.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    Jacksonville decided to reopen their beaches with "social distancing rules in place". It's been open for 30 minutes. Here's a photo. Marvel at the space between everyone:

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Jacksonville decided to reopen their beaches with "social distancing rules in place". It's been open for 30 minutes. Here's a photo. Marvel at the space between everyone:


    There is no cure for stupid...
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited April 2020
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Jacksonville decided to reopen their beaches with "social distancing rules in place". It's been open for 30 minutes. Here's a photo. Marvel at the space between everyone:


    There is no cure for stupid...

    Would you agree (generally) that the reason Governors like Whitmer, Cuomo and Inslee are getting such high marks from their constituents compared to Trump is that, even though they haven't been perfect, they aren't attempting to bullshit anyone and are leveling with people in a sober and honest way?? I've seen Whitmer alot the last few days, and she hardly strikes me as some kind of liberal ideologue. To put it another way, I seriously doubt most Michigan residents feel they need to "liberated" from Gretchen the Tyrant.
  • DinoDinDinoDin Member Posts: 1,581
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Jacksonville decided to reopen their beaches with "social distancing rules in place". It's been open for 30 minutes. Here's a photo. Marvel at the space between everyone:


    There is no cure for stupid...

    There actually is a cure for having stupid policymakers. And this kind of nihilistic fatalism, especially when voiced by conservatives, is also part of the problem. Neither party in America is perfect, nor have they ever been. But right now, one party is disproportionately more stupid and dangerous than the other.
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