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subtledoctor said:(Note my own reaction to her mods dialogue logically suggested that it is superior to the Game of Thrones... if that's toxic I don't know how to be non-toxic )
(Note my own reaction to her mods dialogue logically suggested that it is superior to the Game of Thrones... if that's toxic I don't know how to be non-toxic )
Mirandel said:Today I learned a lot about acquainted taste...
Today I learned a lot about acquainted taste...
Raduziel said:Had a little issue with Roxanne. She added Deities of Faerun to her megamod tool without asking permission to do so.
Had a little issue with Roxanne. She added Deities of Faerun to her megamod tool without asking permission to do so.
AionZ said: Raduziel said:Had a little issue with Roxanne. She added Deities of Faerun to her megamod tool without asking permission to do so.
It'd be easier to count the mods she did get consent for. If there even are any, besides her own that is.Granted, I didn't have as much of an issue with the idea of her install tool until after she started changing all the mod links to a personal Dropbox hub.
AionZ wrote: »
This mod has a ton of issues that go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past just being a megamod/Mary Sue character.
Skitia wrote: »
I'll take this one on to help it go on-topic. Bit of a long answer.
Is Sandrah Saga worth it?
The Answer varies, like with any mod. It is, despite it's criticisms and flaws, a passion project. Making a mod by yourself is very difficult. And it should be understood that many players do not check a mod to see if it has anything stolen, but if they can install it without issue and it has what they are looking for in its listed contents. They're looking for something new and fresh above all.
As a modder, I have downloaded and perused through its files (I have done this for almost every NPC mod I could find.). It's a useful resource to see how some things work, though I'm not fond of the reply style in dialogue, I prefer my ++'s. I would personally play it if I did an EET playthrough, purely for understanding it's relationship to EET and what you could do with it, and if any of my own mods are bugged in an EET playthrough. So if you are a modder, I would say it is worth looking at the files at least for research and understanding. You don't need to play it for that.
If you care about ethics however, then I would not recommend this mod. As others said, they did use other people's mods without asking.
This is an odd thing to bring up, in a way, the entire point of a MoD requires resources that you don't really ask to use, and are entirely at the liberty of the game creators. If Beamdog said "No, you can't do this", then I would have to take my mod down. If I took resources from Fire Emblem and Intelligent Systems said no, I'd have to remove every voice asset I used in my mod. So there can be a fair argument that if one is just writing original code/lines for X fan character, such could be okay unless the creator says NO. I wouldn't care if my characters had crossmod written for them without asking. But I would be miffed if my work was re-uploaded and directly used. This is what Sandrah did in some cases. And while she removed some, others persist and that stings. It is completely understandable for someone to refuse to download the mod and ask others to not play it for this reason alone.
If you like playing big mods, and the above isn't an issue, then you will probably like the Sandrah Saga. It's enormous and allows you to play Baldur's Gate in an entirely different way. That it goes through the entire saga and adds things after it isn't something that is really replicated anywhere else.
If you are looking for good writing, look elsewhere. I'm going to stress, making a mod is hard, especially alone. You can be good at the design part, the writing part, the programming part, the art, or the audio part, but good luck being good at all of that. Writing isn't the modder's strongsuit. Sandrah is definitely the fitting definition of a Marysue. Hers definitely feels the creation of what a teenager might make. It has about that writing strength. It might sound harsh, but she is basically, from my analysis of the writing, that self-insertion for the teenage girl. The main character in parts, almost worships them, and there isn't much variation in response. I would uneducatedly guess this was a late highschool/early college project, and they started around that age range.
As for story, maybe? There are interesting story bits and quests. I can see some players enjoying it and others finding it too much. On their sexuality...they get around a bit. Nothing wrong with sleeping around, but it should contribute something interesting to explore in their character. Also, they shouldn't do the Mystra *and* the Elminister angle. One or the other (And they still have other super unique background additions that could be cut out as well). Too many unique snowflake details makes a very poor character.
My specific advice to them would be to give Sandrah flaws. Make her real. If you are going to give her something like Elminster's daughter, what are the flaws of this? Does she resent him? Idealize him?
If I were going to do this, I would have them *wrongly* think they are Elminister's daughter, be arrogant about it, almost like an Anomen. Have them discover the truth and have it rip apart their world. <CHARNAME> could tell them they are still a great mage or cleric, or just laugh at them down because hey, they were so arrogant and egotistical, and now they got their comeuppance. But that's my editor's suggestion.
The character needs less special features so it can focus on its story-beats and play off of them. You don't want too much, this is a supporting character in the end. In the end though...a mod is above all, for the maker. If they are happy with it, then they are happy with it. But if they want more widespread appeal, it could use some tweaks, some more serious than others.
No modder is perfect. Even modders I label my favorite have their flaws. I would say Roxanne's flaws are definitely around developing a character, and that would be my advice to focus on.
My answer to the question amounts to: I would download it myself, for research. But I would not recommend it to anyone because of the thievery.
jastey wrote: »
Well, the mod surely gets you going, as it seems. I wish I had such a fangirlboy!
ThacoBell wrote: »
@NiziNizi Are you saying Roxxanne never made any alt accounts?