In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
But the voters won't like it. They never do. We'll just get an endless cycle of bullshit nothing getting done like we've had for the last 30 years. Fine, enjoy your two years of shoving your ideas down people's throats like Trump did for the last four. It won't last. It never does. Not enough people truly buy into the 'party lines'. Delude yourself if you want, but that's the truth...
Edit: 52% might be a majority, but it's far from a mandate. Democracy isn't about 52-48 majorities getting everything they want. That's a recipe for disaster and gridlock, not governing. This is precisely why the fringes control the parties. Neither side can win without them. I'm willing to say fuck you to the far right. How many are willing to say the same to the far left?
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
This is exactly what has happened in the U.S. but some are so blinded by their own truths to see it. We chose, now we have the ability to compromise. It is easy to be self righteous, thank you for talking down to us from your lofty throne.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
Seriously, quit attacking law enforcement as if they were evil. Getting tired of that stance. "Law enforcement" is not a single entity, they are people that wake up every day and risk their lives so that we can live without fear of having a gun jammed in our face while driving or walking. Stop.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
Whatever law enforcement was on the scene. How the hell do these people just WALK OUT of the damn building as if nothing happened?? Everyone in that building who was escorted out should have been IMMEDIATELY detained. Like I said earlier, they treated them no different than me and my classmates when we visited the same location on our Junior/Senior class trip to DC. Like they had been renting the place out and their time had expired. Compare that to the clearing of Lafayette Square with tear gas, and tell me what the explanation is other than you get to do whatever the fuck you want if you are conservative and white.
It's not a conspiracy, it's just how cops operate. White people aren't seen as a danger, even when engaging in fucking sedition. Black people are dangerous if they are breathing and walking down the street. It's not a hard dynamic to understand or see. How many examples do we have to place beside each other for this to sink in?? I'm not saying they all sat in the lunchroom for two weeks and planned it. I'm saying this is just their NATURAL reaction to certain people who engage in this behavior. The same fucking thing happened in Michigan over the summer. More than one of those people was planning to execute the Governor on live TV.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
No sorry, that was fishy. It seriously should not have happened, it was allowed to happen. Don't know who or why but that shit was allowed to happen by someone somewhere.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
Whatever law enforcement was on the scene. How the hell do these people just WALK OUT of the damn building as if nothing happened?? Everyone in that building who was escorted out should have been IMMEDIATELY detained. Like I said earlier, they treated them no different than me and my classmates when we visited the same location on our Junior/Senior class trip to DC. Like they had been renting the place out and their time had expired. Compare that to the clearing of Lafayette Square with tear gas, and tell me what the explanation is other than you get to do whatever the fuck you want if you are conservative and white.
It's not a conspiracy, it's just how cops operate. White people aren't seen as a danger, even when engaging in fucking sedition. Black people are dangerous if they are breathing and walking down the street. It's not a hard dynamic to understand or see. How many examples do we have to place beside each other for this to sink in??
Well law enforcement felt threatened enough to shoot and kill one protester. Most of the protesters peacefully left the scene when confronted, however. It didn't escalate. Without escalation, this is what happens. Peaceful dispersal. Tomorrow might be another story, however. I hope I'm wrong...
I'll retell a story I posted here many pages ago. I was visiting Maine about 15 years ago and the big news story there was Bill Clinton visiting Kennebunkport to hang out with George Bush Sr. If those two can bury the hatchet and become friends, anything is possible...
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
No sorry, that was fishy. It seriously should not have happened, it was allowed to happen. Don't know who or why but that shit was allowed to happen by someone somewhere.
You're right. It's fishy as Hell. I'm just saying it wasn't the DC law enforcement that made the call. Who it was is anybody's guess...
Again, I simply refuse to give credit to anyone who changed their mind or had a come to Jesus moment this afternoon. It's literally clearing the lowest bar in American history to not continue to object or to act magnanimous after what happened today. And a 100 House members and at least half a dozen Senators STILL can't clear it. This event should not and cannot be an absolution mechanism for the likes of Lindsay Graham and Ben Sasse. Mitt Romney and Justin Amash get credit because they had the courage of their convictions when it mattered. They are both honorable men. Literally everyone else is complicit in causing this. Moreso than Trump in some respects, because they ALWAYS knew better. It took the monster being let loose upon their village (so to speak) to snap them out of it.
Yep, someone far above their pay grade. Just watching it I knew there was fuckery afoot. The DC police are probably the best in the country, or at the very least the most experienced at dealing with protesters. There was a credible threat given by the intelligence agencies. They did nothing. It was not a failure, but a deliberate action to prevent national security and law enforcement from stopping what happened today. No teargas, no anything. It was definitely allowed to happen. My guess it was the orange demon himself but it could have been anyone pushing his agenda. I hope they feel the pain of what they did.
I dont think there's any conspiracy with the Metro PD that was designed to allow any of this to happen. I do think there was probably some SIGNIFICANT negligence and that should be looked into (here especially, given the circumstances - but this is broadly true anywhere. If the police acts negligently, then it needs to be investigated so it never happens again).
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
This is exactly what has happened in the U.S. but some are so blinded by their own truths to see it. We chose, now we have the ability to compromise. It is easy to be self righteous, thank you for talking down to us from your lofty throne.
I am not talking down. Just pointing out compromise only gets bantered about when the Democrats are in power and tends to backfire in their faces every single time.
Obamacare was a compromise and people hated it. Why? The left hated it because it didn't go far enough. The right hated it because it reeked of a boondoggle. That's what compromise got the democrats the last time.
This doesn't mean the GOP can't do their job properly and hold the democrats to account. Give the voting public a different perspective of what they'd do if they were in power and stop fear mongering about turning into Venezuela. But that actually means they need to have a plan, and a platform to bring to the voting public.
Democrats need to focus on the priorities that got them elected. They shouldn't care what the Republicans want at this point.
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Regarding the police breakdown that lead to the storming. It only takes one or two officers to break ranks and let them stream through. I will also say I agree with Balrog that the cops did not want to escalate the situation. The police there today were different from the ones that were at Layfette square. Layfette was federal agents follow orders gleefully.
Think about the 2 people who were absent yesterday when this happen Trump and his director of Homeland Security. The first ordered it to happen and then withheld releasing the National Guard and the flew overseas to do some farewell tour.
In response to that, I feel like this is actually the perfect time to post this clip I just watched. Yeah, yeah MSNBC, liberal network, all that. Tell what they're incorrect about here. And, with all due respect, you are treating this exactly how they are saying here, like some kind of cute freak show. It isn't:
This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
Your hunch and call of bullshit might be wrong based on the evidence. Pretty sure they were the only ones on scene at this point. Guard wasn't activated until much later. Doj was doing nothing.
I dont think there's any conspiracy with the Metro PD that was designed to allow any of this to happen. I do think there was probably some SIGNIFICANT negligence and that should be looked into (here especially, given the circumstances - but this is broadly true anywhere. If the police acts negligently, then it needs to be investigated so it never happens again).
I really think it's as simple as their just DEFAULT reaction to the potential criminality of certain types of people. It probably isn't even a conscious thing, it's just what they do. In this case, like with the Bundy boys all those years ago now, if you are outwardly proclaiming you are a conservative insurrectionist, you are basically just ALLOWED to engage in outright sedition without any immediate consequence whatsoever. Don't think these people didn't see the lack of repercussions in Michigan earlier in the year. One of them has already been on FOX News tonight. Others are (as I posted) proudly showing the media items they STOLE from the office of the fucking Speaker of the House. These are not people who believe the rules apply to them. Why do they think that?? Because they certainly aren't scared of being arrested or charged with anything. They think this was a jolly good romp.
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
This is exactly what has happened in the U.S. but some are so blinded by their own truths to see it. We chose, now we have the ability to compromise. It is easy to be self righteous, thank you for talking down to us from your lofty throne.
I am not talking down. Just pointing out compromise only gets bantered about when the Democrats are in power and tends to backfire in their faces every single time.
Obamacare was a compromise and people hated it. Why? The left hated it because it didn't go far enough. The right hated it because it reeked of a boondoggle. That's what compromise got the democrats the last time.
This doesn't mean the GOP can't do their job properly and hold the democrats to account. Give the voting public a different perspective of what they'd do if they were in power and stop fear mongering about turning into Venezuela. But that actually means they need to have a plan, and a platform to bring to the voting public.
Democrats need to focus on the priorities that got them elected. They shouldn't care what the Republicans want at this point.
~
Regarding the police breakdown that lead to the storming. It only takes one or two officers to break ranks and let them stream through. I will also say I agree with Balrog that the cops did not want to escalate the situation. The police there today were different from the ones that were at Layfette square. Layfette was federal agents follow orders gleefully.
Fair enough and I respect your views.
I think it is a mistake to make excuses for those on the ground for what happened today, er.... yesterday. Not that they were at fault, not even what I imagine would be close but because it excuses the one, or ones, who left them hanging out to dry. They had the resourses to stop it cold obviously because they had the resourses to disperse them in the end, they had the knowledge it was going to happen and THEY did nothing to prevent it. There is a crime in there somewhere. They not being the men and women on the ground but the ones who knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. Just a guess, the officers there were told to hold their ground but not hurt anyone, worst case scenario, let them have their way and we will sort it all out tomorrow. Yeah, just a guess. There was a deliberate breakdown though and that should neither be excused or forgiven. Maybe they are culpable at most, but they were not the architect of what happened.
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
This is exactly what has happened in the U.S. but some are so blinded by their own truths to see it. We chose, now we have the ability to compromise. It is easy to be self righteous, thank you for talking down to us from your lofty throne.
I am not talking down. Just pointing out compromise only gets bantered about when the Democrats are in power and tends to backfire in their faces every single time.
Obamacare was a compromise and people hated it. Why? The left hated it because it didn't go far enough. The right hated it because it reeked of a boondoggle. That's what compromise got the democrats the last time.
This doesn't mean the GOP can't do their job properly and hold the democrats to account. Give the voting public a different perspective of what they'd do if they were in power and stop fear mongering about turning into Venezuela. But that actually means they need to have a plan, and a platform to bring to the voting public.
Democrats need to focus on the priorities that got them elected. They shouldn't care what the Republicans want at this point.
~
Regarding the police breakdown that lead to the storming. It only takes one or two officers to break ranks and let them stream through. I will also say I agree with Balrog that the cops did not want to escalate the situation. The police there today were different from the ones that were at Layfette square. Layfette was federal agents follow orders gleefully.
Fair enough and I respect your views.
I think it is a mistake to make excuses for those on the ground for what happened today, er.... yesterday. Not that they were at fault, not even what I imagine would be close but because it excuses the one, or ones, who left them hanging out to dry. They had the resourses to stop it cold obviously because they had the resourses to disperse them in the end, they had the knowledge it was going to happen and THEY did nothing to prevent it. There is a crime in there somewhere. They not being the men and women on the ground but the ones who knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. Just a guess, the officers there were told to hold their ground but not hurt anyone, worst case scenario, let them have their way and we will sort it all out tomorrow. Yeah, just a guess. There was a deliberate breakdown though and that should neither be excused or forgiven. Maybe they are culpable at most, but they were not the architect of what happened.
I was never suggesting they were PLOTTING to have this happen, and I don't know how I could have given this impression to anyone. I'm simply stating that they didn't view the people engaged in what happened as a threat because of who they are, demographically. People can accuse me of playing the race card if they want, but if anyone wants to seriously suggest to me that if a thousand black people, or, ESPECIALLY, if a thousand Muslims had stormed the US Capitol, that this would have unfolded the way it did, I will just simply have to assume that person (not you) isn't arguing in good faith. Because no one here is stupid, and no one believes that. Which means we all know deep down that there is a complete double-standard in how laws are applied.
But let's for a second refocus on the crux of what happened today. Which is that the President of the United States basically encouraged a mob of his supporters to literally launch an ASSAULT on the entire Legislative Branch. That is basically what took place. And when you look at it in those terms, it is ominous and frightening indeed. What's next if he stays in office for 14 more days?? Who can possibly say everything will just be fine??
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
But the voters won't like it. They never do. We'll just get an endless cycle of bullshit nothing getting done like we've had for the last 30 years. Fine, enjoy your two years of shoving your ideas down people's throats like Trump did for the last four. It won't last. It never does. Not enough people truly buy into the 'party lines'. Delude yourself if you want, but that's the truth...
Edit: 52% might be a majority, but it's far from a mandate. Democracy isn't about 52-48 majorities getting everything they want. That's a recipe for disaster and gridlock, not governing. This is precisely why the fringes control the parties. Neither side can win without them. I'm willing to say fuck you to the far right. How many are willing to say the same to the far left?
The voters voted overwhelmingly for this government. The amount Democrats need to win by, and the broad geographic coalition they need to win the EC, the Senate and the House is staggering. It's a far larger share of American voters than Republicans need to accomplish a similar trifecta, due to the caprice of the US's electoral system.
The Democrats only need to compromise with Joe freaking Manchin. And if that's not good enough for some folks, I frankly don't care right now. Because folks outside of the coalition that spreads from AOC to Joe Manchin have lost their turn at the tiller for now.
The conduct of the police today and the complete lack of preparation for something that has been telegraphed by the right-wing extremist internet for at least a MONTH should be the subject of a Congressional Commission. Because those who were there stood down at best and were giving the insurrectionists 'atta boys at worst, and the complete lack of presence in the first place compared to protests over the summer is the starkest reminder yet of how we have more than one class of citizenship in this country.
Merrick Garland (yep, that Merrick Garland) is gonna be the AG. I hope the absolute hammer is brought down on everyone they can identify and locate. These people cheered Trump's call for 10 years for destroying statues. So everyone who stepped foot in that Capitol today should be doing at LEAST a decade behind bars. I don't give a shit anymore. These people have acted unchecked for YEARS, and this is the result.
Won't happen. Statue destroyers won't get 10 years either. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's high time to defuse this shit, not rehash it every 2-4 years. Do you honestly think there's any chance that your 'side' will suddenly have a lock on power? Let's shelve this righteousness b.s. and get on with running this country the old fashioned way. Compromise...
Nope.
Time for compromise is one of those catch phrases that gets thrown around when and only when the Right loses any semblance of power. There wasn't any talk of compromising when the GOP held the House, Senate and Presidency. Why should it be different this time around? Just because the GOP screwed up their opportunity doesn't mean the democrats aren't allowed to have one ever.
In Canada, what the Democrats have right now, would be called a Majority Government. The voters have chosen to give them free reign to do what they wish for the next two years. They don't need to compromise, they need to govern and rule and fulfill the promises they made that got them elected.
If the voters do not like what the democrats are doing, midterm elections will allow the voters to speak again and put the government in a position to actually compromise. For now, the democrats need to govern how they want to govern.
But the voters won't like it. They never do. We'll just get an endless cycle of bullshit nothing getting done like we've had for the last 30 years. Fine, enjoy your two years of shoving your ideas down people's throats like Trump did for the last four. It won't last. It never does. Not enough people truly buy into the 'party lines'. Delude yourself if you want, but that's the truth...
Edit: 52% might be a majority, but it's far from a mandate. Democracy isn't about 52-48 majorities getting everything they want. That's a recipe for disaster and gridlock, not governing. This is precisely why the fringes control the parties. Neither side can win without them. I'm willing to say fuck you to the far right. How many are willing to say the same to the far left?
The voters voted overwhelmingly for this government. The amount Democrats need to win by, and the broad geographic coalition they need to win the EC, the Senate and the House is staggering. It's a far larger share of American voters than Republicans need to accomplish a similar trifecta, due to the caprice of the US's electoral system.
The Democrats only need to compromise with Joe freaking Manchin. And if that's not good enough for some folks, I frankly don't care right now. Because folks outside of the coalition that spreads from AOC to Joe Manchin have lost their turn at the tiller for now.
A sane country's political spectrum would be AOC on the left to Joe Manchin on the right, or even Bernie Sanders on the left and Hillary Clinton on the right. Instead we have the Democrats occupying all of this space, and, as many have come to the realization at long last, an authoritarian fascist party on the opposite side that still managed to get half the votes in the Senate run-offs last night. People will come to realize when history is written that the Democratic wins in 2018 and 2020 literally saved democracy. Never has that been more clear. Policy is immaterial to me at the moment. We are in "a Republic, if you can keep it" territory.
Just picking up a couple of points from the overnight (from my perspective) discussion.
25th amendment
This covers not only what happens when the president is physically unable to carry out his duties, but also mental incapacity. The vice-president and a majority of the principal officers of executive departments can issue a written statement of incapacity, which results in the vice-president becoming the acting president (potentially until the next election). The president can though challenge the statement by claiming that he is capable. In this situation the decision will ultimately be made by Congress - 2/3 majorities in both the House and Senate are required to uphold the statement, otherwise the president resumes their powers and duties. Note that this is a slightly steeper hurdle than impeachment, where only a simple majority is required in the House.
Authority of vice-president
It was mentioned a few times that Pence did not have authority to call out the National Guard, but I don't think the situation is that clear-cut. While the power to do that may be vested in the office of the president, that doesn't mean that only the president in person can exercise that power - it's quite rare for powers to be restricted to that extent, in most cases they can operate through a chain of command.
If the question came before a court I suspect the issue would boil down to whether Pence acted reasonably in issuing an order on behalf of the president. It seems that Trump was reluctant to call out the National Guard, so it's possible that a case could be made that Pence was acting against instructions. However, there is always more latitude given for chain of command orders during emergency situations and my guess is that Pence would successfully be able to make the case that, given communication difficulties and the need to respond very quickly, he was acting in the president's best interests.
One of the problems associated with the current situation in the US is that it makes it much harder to protest about undemocratic actions in other countries.
That would be akin to US authorities deciding that Stacey Abrams was acting illegally in encouraging voter registrations in Georgia. I deliberately picked that example because there clearly are people who believe that should be illegal and there have been legal actions aimed at making things more difficult for her campaign. It's those sorts of actions that make it easier for the Chinese to shrug off international protests about what they're doing.
One of the problems associated with the current situation in the US is that it makes it much harder to protest about undemocratic actions in other countries.
That would be akin to US authorities deciding that Stacey Abrams was acting illegally in encouraging voter registrations in Georgia. I deliberately picked that example because there clearly are people who believe that should be illegal and there have been legal actions aimed at making things more difficult for her campaign. It's those sorts of actions that make it easier for the Chinese to shrug off international protests about what they're doing.
They have a term for it, which is the ominous sounding "ballot harvesting" which, translated, simply means "encouraging black people to vote". Like I've been trying to beat into everyone's head, today's events didn't occur in a vacuum. The anti-democracy streak in the GOP runs to the core of what they believe. The MAIN objection they have, from complaining about Stacy Abrams' get out the vote efforts, to focusing ALL their allegations of fraud on urban areas, to the voter suppression tactics they have been trying to pass into law in red states since the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, is that the Republican Party, and by association, it's voters, have a serious objection to the votes of African-Americans being considered legitimate. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. But maybe the guy waltzing around the Capitol with a Confederate flag this afternoon, untouched by any law enforcement, will give a visual clue. What you are witnessing as we speak are the desperate death throes of the societal remnants of the Confederacy, and those still sympathetic to it's cause.
One has to wonder what that blockade was actually for as there were other people on the other side of it already. It wasn't like they were holding open the door to a government building.
This is what de-escalation looks like. 'Ya, I will pose with you for a picture but then I am going to have to ask you to leave,' sorta deal. This was also after they all were ushered out of the building as other cops are standing around in the background. That police officer's job, the one mingling with the protestors is to keep them calm and prevent them from storming the building again.
You also have to remember these events took place after police shot and killed a protestor in the building. If they didn't de-escalate then, things could have been a lot worse.
One has to wonder what that blockade was actually for as there were other people on the other side of it already. It wasn't like they were holding open the door to a government building.
This is what de-escalation looks like. 'Ya, I will pose with you for a picture but then I am going to have to ask you to leave,' sorta deal. This was also after they all were ushered out of the building as other cops are standing around in the background. That police officer's job, the one mingling with the protestors is to keep them calm and prevent them from storming the building again.
You also have to remember these events took place after police shot and killed a protestor in the building. If they didn't de-escalate then, things could have been a lot worse.
It's mighty interesting when de-escalation tactics are used are when they aren't. Quite the mystery, I don't know how we're ever going to be able to discern the reason it was used today and not a single time over the summer. I don't know, maybe it's because the windows at Foot Locker are a more pressing issue than the entire Legislative Branch of the United States being held captive for 6 hours in an effort to stop the certification of electors.
I'm for de-escalation. SELECTIVE de-escalation does nothing but further the already chasm-sized gap between the justice certain people receive and others don't. So until that is rectified (which likely means never), these treasonous fucks can face the same consequences anyone else who isn't of their particular race and political persuasion do. But they won't. For most of them, that shipped sailed when they were leisurely escorted out the front door and told to have a nice day.
It's over, for what seems like the 5th or 6th time. But make NO mistake about it, there was no peaceful transfer of power in regards to the 2020 election. And don't let anyone ever gaslight you into thinking there was. For that matter, don't let anyone memory-hole anything that happened the last four years. There is power in accurately remembering what took place in a society that, on a whole, quickly forgets:
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This IS all show. It was predicted for months, if not years, and nothing was done to protect the Capitol from this 'coup'. What a load of malarkey. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this seething in the background yet they did shit to prepare for it. Why? My prediction, check your wallets to see what comes in the aftermath...
But the voters won't like it. They never do. We'll just get an endless cycle of bullshit nothing getting done like we've had for the last 30 years. Fine, enjoy your two years of shoving your ideas down people's throats like Trump did for the last four. It won't last. It never does. Not enough people truly buy into the 'party lines'. Delude yourself if you want, but that's the truth...
Edit: 52% might be a majority, but it's far from a mandate. Democracy isn't about 52-48 majorities getting everything they want. That's a recipe for disaster and gridlock, not governing. This is precisely why the fringes control the parties. Neither side can win without them. I'm willing to say fuck you to the far right. How many are willing to say the same to the far left?
This is exactly what has happened in the U.S. but some are so blinded by their own truths to see it. We chose, now we have the ability to compromise. It is easy to be self righteous, thank you for talking down to us from your lofty throne.
My "why" is quite simple, which is that law enforcement is politically aligned with the aims of the people who stormed the building and gave the whole thing tacit approval.
The DC law enforcement? I call bullshit on that claim. What is DC, 90% Democrat? You're telling me that they intentionally let the protesters storm the Capitol? Yeah OK, and the Dominion voting system totally stole the election from Trump on orders from George Soros. Conspiracy theories go both ways...
Seriously, quit attacking law enforcement as if they were evil. Getting tired of that stance. "Law enforcement" is not a single entity, they are people that wake up every day and risk their lives so that we can live without fear of having a gun jammed in our face while driving or walking. Stop.
Whatever law enforcement was on the scene. How the hell do these people just WALK OUT of the damn building as if nothing happened?? Everyone in that building who was escorted out should have been IMMEDIATELY detained. Like I said earlier, they treated them no different than me and my classmates when we visited the same location on our Junior/Senior class trip to DC. Like they had been renting the place out and their time had expired. Compare that to the clearing of Lafayette Square with tear gas, and tell me what the explanation is other than you get to do whatever the fuck you want if you are conservative and white.
It's not a conspiracy, it's just how cops operate. White people aren't seen as a danger, even when engaging in fucking sedition. Black people are dangerous if they are breathing and walking down the street. It's not a hard dynamic to understand or see. How many examples do we have to place beside each other for this to sink in?? I'm not saying they all sat in the lunchroom for two weeks and planned it. I'm saying this is just their NATURAL reaction to certain people who engage in this behavior. The same fucking thing happened in Michigan over the summer. More than one of those people was planning to execute the Governor on live TV.
No sorry, that was fishy. It seriously should not have happened, it was allowed to happen. Don't know who or why but that shit was allowed to happen by someone somewhere.
Well law enforcement felt threatened enough to shoot and kill one protester. Most of the protesters peacefully left the scene when confronted, however. It didn't escalate. Without escalation, this is what happens. Peaceful dispersal. Tomorrow might be another story, however. I hope I'm wrong...
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/06/loeffler-electoral-votes-455679
You're right. It's fishy as Hell. I'm just saying it wasn't the DC law enforcement that made the call. Who it was is anybody's guess...
Again, I simply refuse to give credit to anyone who changed their mind or had a come to Jesus moment this afternoon. It's literally clearing the lowest bar in American history to not continue to object or to act magnanimous after what happened today. And a 100 House members and at least half a dozen Senators STILL can't clear it. This event should not and cannot be an absolution mechanism for the likes of Lindsay Graham and Ben Sasse. Mitt Romney and Justin Amash get credit because they had the courage of their convictions when it mattered. They are both honorable men. Literally everyone else is complicit in causing this. Moreso than Trump in some respects, because they ALWAYS knew better. It took the monster being let loose upon their village (so to speak) to snap them out of it.
I am not talking down. Just pointing out compromise only gets bantered about when the Democrats are in power and tends to backfire in their faces every single time.
Obamacare was a compromise and people hated it. Why? The left hated it because it didn't go far enough. The right hated it because it reeked of a boondoggle. That's what compromise got the democrats the last time.
This doesn't mean the GOP can't do their job properly and hold the democrats to account. Give the voting public a different perspective of what they'd do if they were in power and stop fear mongering about turning into Venezuela. But that actually means they need to have a plan, and a platform to bring to the voting public.
Democrats need to focus on the priorities that got them elected. They shouldn't care what the Republicans want at this point.
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Regarding the police breakdown that lead to the storming. It only takes one or two officers to break ranks and let them stream through. I will also say I agree with Balrog that the cops did not want to escalate the situation. The police there today were different from the ones that were at Layfette square. Layfette was federal agents follow orders gleefully.
Your hunch and call of bullshit might be wrong based on the evidence. Pretty sure they were the only ones on scene at this point. Guard wasn't activated until much later. Doj was doing nothing.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02
I really think it's as simple as their just DEFAULT reaction to the potential criminality of certain types of people. It probably isn't even a conscious thing, it's just what they do. In this case, like with the Bundy boys all those years ago now, if you are outwardly proclaiming you are a conservative insurrectionist, you are basically just ALLOWED to engage in outright sedition without any immediate consequence whatsoever. Don't think these people didn't see the lack of repercussions in Michigan earlier in the year. One of them has already been on FOX News tonight. Others are (as I posted) proudly showing the media items they STOLE from the office of the fucking Speaker of the House. These are not people who believe the rules apply to them. Why do they think that?? Because they certainly aren't scared of being arrested or charged with anything. They think this was a jolly good romp.
Fair enough and I respect your views.
I think it is a mistake to make excuses for those on the ground for what happened today, er.... yesterday. Not that they were at fault, not even what I imagine would be close but because it excuses the one, or ones, who left them hanging out to dry. They had the resourses to stop it cold obviously because they had the resourses to disperse them in the end, they had the knowledge it was going to happen and THEY did nothing to prevent it. There is a crime in there somewhere. They not being the men and women on the ground but the ones who knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. Just a guess, the officers there were told to hold their ground but not hurt anyone, worst case scenario, let them have their way and we will sort it all out tomorrow. Yeah, just a guess. There was a deliberate breakdown though and that should neither be excused or forgiven. Maybe they are culpable at most, but they were not the architect of what happened.
I was never suggesting they were PLOTTING to have this happen, and I don't know how I could have given this impression to anyone. I'm simply stating that they didn't view the people engaged in what happened as a threat because of who they are, demographically. People can accuse me of playing the race card if they want, but if anyone wants to seriously suggest to me that if a thousand black people, or, ESPECIALLY, if a thousand Muslims had stormed the US Capitol, that this would have unfolded the way it did, I will just simply have to assume that person (not you) isn't arguing in good faith. Because no one here is stupid, and no one believes that. Which means we all know deep down that there is a complete double-standard in how laws are applied.
But let's for a second refocus on the crux of what happened today. Which is that the President of the United States basically encouraged a mob of his supporters to literally launch an ASSAULT on the entire Legislative Branch. That is basically what took place. And when you look at it in those terms, it is ominous and frightening indeed. What's next if he stays in office for 14 more days?? Who can possibly say everything will just be fine??
The voters voted overwhelmingly for this government. The amount Democrats need to win by, and the broad geographic coalition they need to win the EC, the Senate and the House is staggering. It's a far larger share of American voters than Republicans need to accomplish a similar trifecta, due to the caprice of the US's electoral system.
The Democrats only need to compromise with Joe freaking Manchin. And if that's not good enough for some folks, I frankly don't care right now. Because folks outside of the coalition that spreads from AOC to Joe Manchin have lost their turn at the tiller for now.
A sane country's political spectrum would be AOC on the left to Joe Manchin on the right, or even Bernie Sanders on the left and Hillary Clinton on the right. Instead we have the Democrats occupying all of this space, and, as many have come to the realization at long last, an authoritarian fascist party on the opposite side that still managed to get half the votes in the Senate run-offs last night. People will come to realize when history is written that the Democratic wins in 2018 and 2020 literally saved democracy. Never has that been more clear. Policy is immaterial to me at the moment. We are in "a Republic, if you can keep it" territory.
25th amendment
This covers not only what happens when the president is physically unable to carry out his duties, but also mental incapacity. The vice-president and a majority of the principal officers of executive departments can issue a written statement of incapacity, which results in the vice-president becoming the acting president (potentially until the next election). The president can though challenge the statement by claiming that he is capable. In this situation the decision will ultimately be made by Congress - 2/3 majorities in both the House and Senate are required to uphold the statement, otherwise the president resumes their powers and duties. Note that this is a slightly steeper hurdle than impeachment, where only a simple majority is required in the House.
Authority of vice-president
It was mentioned a few times that Pence did not have authority to call out the National Guard, but I don't think the situation is that clear-cut. While the power to do that may be vested in the office of the president, that doesn't mean that only the president in person can exercise that power - it's quite rare for powers to be restricted to that extent, in most cases they can operate through a chain of command.
If the question came before a court I suspect the issue would boil down to whether Pence acted reasonably in issuing an order on behalf of the president. It seems that Trump was reluctant to call out the National Guard, so it's possible that a case could be made that Pence was acting against instructions. However, there is always more latitude given for chain of command orders during emergency situations and my guess is that Pence would successfully be able to make the case that, given communication difficulties and the need to respond very quickly, he was acting in the president's best interests.
I've posted before about the change to the law in Hong Kong some months ago, that allows the Chinese authorities to determine that almost anything constitutes a threat to national security. The excuse used for bringing in that law was to prevent violent protests. However, it is now being used in a major way against perfectly peaceful democratic organizing.
That would be akin to US authorities deciding that Stacey Abrams was acting illegally in encouraging voter registrations in Georgia. I deliberately picked that example because there clearly are people who believe that should be illegal and there have been legal actions aimed at making things more difficult for her campaign. It's those sorts of actions that make it easier for the Chinese to shrug off international protests about what they're doing.
They have a term for it, which is the ominous sounding "ballot harvesting" which, translated, simply means "encouraging black people to vote". Like I've been trying to beat into everyone's head, today's events didn't occur in a vacuum. The anti-democracy streak in the GOP runs to the core of what they believe. The MAIN objection they have, from complaining about Stacy Abrams' get out the vote efforts, to focusing ALL their allegations of fraud on urban areas, to the voter suppression tactics they have been trying to pass into law in red states since the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, is that the Republican Party, and by association, it's voters, have a serious objection to the votes of African-Americans being considered legitimate. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. But maybe the guy waltzing around the Capitol with a Confederate flag this afternoon, untouched by any law enforcement, will give a visual clue. What you are witnessing as we speak are the desperate death throes of the societal remnants of the Confederacy, and those still sympathetic to it's cause.
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One has to wonder what that blockade was actually for as there were other people on the other side of it already. It wasn't like they were holding open the door to a government building.
This is what de-escalation looks like. 'Ya, I will pose with you for a picture but then I am going to have to ask you to leave,' sorta deal. This was also after they all were ushered out of the building as other cops are standing around in the background. That police officer's job, the one mingling with the protestors is to keep them calm and prevent them from storming the building again.
You also have to remember these events took place after police shot and killed a protestor in the building. If they didn't de-escalate then, things could have been a lot worse.
It's mighty interesting when de-escalation tactics are used are when they aren't. Quite the mystery, I don't know how we're ever going to be able to discern the reason it was used today and not a single time over the summer. I don't know, maybe it's because the windows at Foot Locker are a more pressing issue than the entire Legislative Branch of the United States being held captive for 6 hours in an effort to stop the certification of electors.
I'm for de-escalation. SELECTIVE de-escalation does nothing but further the already chasm-sized gap between the justice certain people receive and others don't. So until that is rectified (which likely means never), these treasonous fucks can face the same consequences anyone else who isn't of their particular race and political persuasion do. But they won't. For most of them, that shipped sailed when they were leisurely escorted out the front door and told to have a nice day.