I fully support this decision. I was not happy with the screenshots of the new UI they released, and hopefully they will work on it with this time (hint: bring the old BG classic style stone interface back, or give an option for it!)
That said, a recently released rpg game I'm playing right now reminds me of Baldur's Gate, called Inquisitor. An old school, deep and complex rpg, I recommend it as a stopgap in the meantime!
Seriously? We're a few days from release date and now you announce that you need not a few days or heck, even a week for the release but a friggin' 6 weeks?!?
How did you arrive on that number? No matter how I do my math I get 11 weeks (from now).
Lol, they need 3 more month for what? they are taking as much time as a full video game, yet this is barely a big patch with 3 big mods bundled together.
Quite untrue. You don't possess the insight to make this kind of statement, and it is unfair of you to make it. BG:EE is not as easy as sticking a few mods together, not even close. BG:EE cleans up that mess of a code that BG was, and adds tons of flexibility to the engine to allow for new features (which in turns, guess what, take time).
I have written this twice already, and I'll keep repeating it until everyone fully understands it: the devs did not realize last minute they needed more time. They tried until the last minute to avoid delaying the ship date. And to be a tag along, this announcement had to go through WotC's approval process as well, which took time.
It would have been dishonest to charge you for an unfinished product. To delay the release date a couple months to deliver a truly stellar product is, in fact, a corageous act and a display of honesty and customer care.
Still free to cancel your preorder if you so like, but please do not cast groundless accusations to the devs: They don't deserve it.
This is just ridiculous, I hope this does not turn into another Duke Nukem where they want everything to be perfect and it takes ten years and ends up being crap because they spent too much time trying to make a masterpiece. More time does NOT mean a better product, history has shown this.
It also does not fill me with much confidence in their ability if the problem is technical issues considering how old the game is and how low tech it is that even modders can produce new content easily for it.
Either way, Im disappointed and am lowering my expectations, at this point Im just hoping for an experience comparable with the original game, because they cant mess that up, right?
Delays are eventually forgotten, broken releases are not.
Precisely. There's nothing wrong with post-release patching, but it doesn't change initial impressions. For an extreme example, look at the ways the Extended Cut did and did not change the reputation of "Mass Effect 3" after launch - if Beamdog needs more time to ensure that the wider audience's first encounter with BG:EE is a dominantly positive one, let them have it.
Im a sad panda, but hey, ive been a Blizzard/Bioware fan since diablo 1/BG1 so a delay like this is the same as waiting for the first delay to even get announced from those guys. I always think "this is the time we get a good game quickly" but I dont think its possible. Id prefer to get a good game than to get the game quickly
@VampQueen31 - You haven't really read any posts before yours, have you?
I did, they seem mostly filled with knee-jerk fanboy like defense of Overhaul Games. Yes, we all love the original product, but its Bioware/BIS that earned my trust, not beamdog. All I've seen from them is unforgivable missed release days and alot of promises.
there's really no excuse for waiting this long for something they obviously knew they would have to do. having firsthand knowledge of how production on a title works, this is just sloppy, disrespectful to the customers, and in my eyes a quick grab for more last minute preorders. sure, it takes guts to push back a title, but it's just plain lazy to wait until the last minute. and that crap about getting approval to inform us about this just goes to show how off the ball they were to begin with.
i know some people can't help but defend the devs, especially those working closely with them (i'm sure there's no personal reasons behind defending them, at all), but as an unbiased consumer who is now seeking a refund, i can easily say that this delay wouldn't have mattered a bit to me had it been brought to my attention within a reasonable time frame.
i think vampqueen said it best, when actions like this do a lot to lower expectations, hence why i feel my 17 dollars is best served to someone else.
Thanks for your imput, guys. It helps those of us who are frustrated, but not mad, understand what is going on.
That said, I am a bit worried. I have a baby coming 12/29, and expect to do no more gaming after that for quite some time. That means, barring no more delays, I have 1 month to get through the game.
I don't have a problem with a delay. In fact, I expected some delay due to the challenge of cramming all the deliciousness into a game built for windows 95. I been waiting for fresh content for more then a decade, a few more months isn't a big deal. =]
Well ... with 2 more months of time, Let's hope we can get more new content... I don't think it would be a problem to create banters and interjections between the BG1 original characters within those 2 months.
In the AMA, one said that it doesn't offend the contracts, but that they just didn't have the time to write dialogues... now they do, or am I wrong?
hmmmmm,. this is worrying news. to take nearly an extra 3 months to complete worries me. To tell me that my pre order date will not be honored is also worrying. I have taken time off work for this, and to be told on a friday night a few days before release is really bad PR. Granted I dont want another Stronghold 3/ sword in the stars debacle, but the amount of notice is to be quite frank pathetic, and the email that I was sent made it sound like they were doing me a favour, by putting the game back. tis not good IMHO :-(
I did, they seem mostly filled with knee-jerk fanboy like defense of Overhaul Games.
I'm sorry you feel that way. We're merely reporting our first-hand experience working with the devs on the beta. Many of us are the same modders that brought you the mods you love for the originals, so I guess they would know if BG:EE was an epic fail. They're no Overhaul employees and may stop beta testing any time if they didn't like what they saw. I still think the devs deserve some trust. Or would you rather get a buggy product next week?
Too much negativity in this thread. Gamers are way too impatient! We are going to be getting a better game for 2 months of your time sitting on your butt playing guild wars 2 or whatever.
I guess it's okey, the release date was kind of quick comparing to to the number of people actuially in the team. I just wish they would tell us what exactly caused the delay. Bug fixing? Engine fixing? Content adding? Voice-set changing? etc.
Well ... with 2 more months of time, Let's hope we can get more new content... I don't think it would be a problem to create banters and interjections between the BG1 original characters within those 2 months.
In the AMA, one said that it doesn't offend the contracts, but that they just didn't have the time to write dialogues... now they do, or am I wrong?
@Zwiebelchen I truly hope you are right, it would be such a great thing!!!
I did, they seem mostly filled with knee-jerk fanboy like defense of Overhaul Games.
I'm sorry you feel that way. We're merely reporting our first-hand experience working with the devs on the beta. Many of us are the same modders that brought you the mods you love for the originals, so I guess they would know if BG:EE was an epic fail. They're no Overhaul employees and may stop beta testing any time if they didn't like what they saw. I still think the devs deserve some trust. Or would you rather get a buggy product next week?
Im not doubting you, but Im not working with the devs, so im completely unbiased. I loved the original products though i have no input or anything in the EE process so you'll have to forgive me if I dont have the same faith as you who has seen the game already. As a consumer all I see is they keep missing release dates on a very old game and making many promises without showing anything for it. They have not earned my trust like Bioware did, maybe after BG:EE comes out and its as great as the other Volunteers and you say it is then my trust will be earned with future products.
I get the passion the Devs and people like you are putting into the product, but the simple fact of game development is no game will ever be perfect, so yes I'd rather they just got their act together and released the game and patched the problems they have with it later. Most gamers never expect a bug free game at launch, just a playable one. Still this isnt some brand new game, its an old game, it shouldnt be giving them so much problems.
At this point Im considering a refund until the game actually does come out, as I said, and its nothing personal, its just being unbiased from never even hearing of them before this.
Not on the board for 3-1/2 hours and suddenly a postponed date and already 8 pages full of comments.
I agree on the decision: better wait for a polished product. The screenshot with some obvious things-not-right (the graphic glitch, the line on the right not extending to below like the left one, the still un-functional clock), gave me the impression the team was working very very hard to iron things out before the 18th. In reality, they've been busy negotiating the much-needed postponement it seems. Mind, no critisism is meant here, I understand that under the contract the other parties also have to agree.
Right now I'll take a fix against the withdrawal syndroms by looking forward to finish maybe some more of the BG Tutu & SOA campaigns I'm playing, to have a more clean sleet in november (while Trent Oster is managing releasing a game, I'm busy with 2 CHARNAME's campaigning against Sarevok, 4 against Irenicus and 2 whole parties take on Poquelin).
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That said, a recently released rpg game I'm playing right now reminds me of Baldur's Gate, called Inquisitor. An old school, deep and complex rpg, I recommend it as a stopgap in the meantime!
I have written this twice already, and I'll keep repeating it until everyone fully understands it: the devs did not realize last minute they needed more time. They tried until the last minute to avoid delaying the ship date. And to be a tag along, this announcement had to go through WotC's approval process as well, which took time.
It would have been dishonest to charge you for an unfinished product. To delay the release date a couple months to deliver a truly stellar product is, in fact, a corageous act and a display of honesty and customer care.
Still free to cancel your preorder if you so like, but please do not cast groundless accusations to the devs: They don't deserve it.
It also does not fill me with much confidence in their ability if the problem is technical issues considering how old the game is and how low tech it is that even modders can produce new content easily for it.
Either way, Im disappointed and am lowering my expectations, at this point Im just hoping for an experience comparable with the original game, because they cant mess that up, right?
@Rajick you'll need that entertainment much more after the wee one is born
i know some people can't help but defend the devs, especially those working closely with them (i'm sure there's no personal reasons behind defending them, at all), but as an unbiased consumer who is now seeking a refund, i can easily say that this delay wouldn't have mattered a bit to me had it been brought to my attention within a reasonable time frame.
i think vampqueen said it best, when actions like this do a lot to lower expectations, hence why i feel my 17 dollars is best served to someone else.
Thanks for your imput, guys. It helps those of us who are frustrated, but not mad, understand what is going on.
That said, I am a bit worried. I have a baby coming 12/29, and expect to do no more gaming after that for quite some time. That means, barring no more delays, I have 1 month to get through the game.
Plus, we get something extra, OOOOOO?!
In the AMA, one said that it doesn't offend the contracts, but that they just didn't have the time to write dialogues... now they do, or am I wrong?
I just wish they would tell us what exactly caused the delay.
Bug fixing?
Engine fixing?
Content adding?
Voice-set changing?
etc.
I get the passion the Devs and people like you are putting into the product, but the simple fact of game development is no game will ever be perfect, so yes I'd rather they just got their act together and released the game and patched the problems they have with it later. Most gamers never expect a bug free game at launch, just a playable one. Still this isnt some brand new game, its an old game, it shouldnt be giving them so much problems.
At this point Im considering a refund until the game actually does come out, as I said, and its nothing personal, its just being unbiased from never even hearing of them before this.
I agree on the decision: better wait for a polished product. The screenshot with some obvious things-not-right (the graphic glitch, the line on the right not extending to below like the left one, the still un-functional clock), gave me the impression the team was working very very hard to iron things out before the 18th. In reality, they've been busy negotiating the much-needed postponement it seems. Mind, no critisism is meant here, I understand that under the contract the other parties also have to agree.
Right now I'll take a fix against the withdrawal syndroms by looking forward to finish maybe some more of the BG Tutu & SOA campaigns I'm playing, to have a more clean sleet in november (while Trent Oster is managing releasing a game, I'm busy with 2 CHARNAME's campaigning against Sarevok, 4 against Irenicus and 2 whole parties take on Poquelin).