Me neither. I don't think these people understand. How can you prefer a game with Steam DRM to a DRM free/client free game? If you buy it on Beamdog (or hopefully GOG in the future), you won't need to remember where to download the game. You'll just download it after you buy it and keep it on your HDD.
Me neither. I don't think these people understand. How can you prefer a game with Steam DRM to a DRM free/client free game?
Beamdog's version has it's own DRM. But that's beside the point. Steam isn't just a store––it's a service. For me, it comes down to convenience. I like having most of my games in one place, always up-to-date, without having to think about it. I like the steam overlay and my friends list. I love the sales, and it is the only digital store that offers PC/Mac versions in one purchase.
In @drej163's video, TotalBuscuit makes some good points, but I don't believe people are being "irrational" when they request a Steam version (though I do think it's a bit silly to boycott the game because of it, and moronic to pirate it.)
Is Valve perfect? No. Their Mac client sucks, it's not terribly good for small SSDs (all Steam games have to be in one folder. You can use symlinks, but it's not an ideal solution) and their support isn't always the best. But their service is for me, hands-down, the most convenient place to buy my games, and I'll always go to them first if I can.
From Trent Oster's twitter posts he really hates games that enforce extreme DRM (like diablo 3). Getting the game from Beamdog without the need for a client is the simplest solution in my book. You don't have to be online to play and you aren't required to use any other client...seems like a win/win.
That being said, having a friend's list like steam would be nice but not all-together necessary considering the Baldur's Gate in-game chat (which could use a bit of enhancement btw). But that's assuming you're playing with your friend in BG and not communicating across different games.
Source, please. But tbh, I won't be surprised if they use some kind of mild DRM, like an activation key. That's nothing in comparison to the limitations Steam introduces.
For me, it comes down to convenience. I like having most of my games in one place, always up-to-date, without having to think about it. I like the steam overlay and my friends list. I love the sales, and it is the only digital store that offers PC/Mac versions in one purchase.
yeah because spending some times getting your games up to date from a vanilla install is so much fun ^^
its just easier to have all your games from one online resale company, easier keeping track of everything. and you can make stuff offline available on steam too so ...
@M0ty Beamdog is a distribution service, Overhaul Games is a division of Beamdog. You won't need the client to enjoy the game, so it's basically like downloaded from GOG. What more do you require?
Asking as an oldschool gamer who bought his games on floppies/CDs/DVDs in the past: what is so special about Steam that it's so important to get it from there?
This game would have been bought about ten seconds after it was announced if it had been released on steam. Nothing against Beamdog, of course, but since so many users know about steam and it's a convenient way to keep track of games and start multiplayer games I really hope you consider releasing it there as well.
I understand why people only buy games on steam (digitally at least), some others might limit their digital services to two platforms.
Over the years I have bought games from these different services, some I have bought a bunch (GoG, Steam). But others I have only bought one game, the first episode of the penny arcade games for instance, I got this when it first came out, from a platform that I now don't remember.
So now I am not even sure how I can re download a game that I have bought, even after a quick Google search, I'm still not sure. I'm just worried a few years down the line I will have the same problem with bgee, not to mention all the other games I have bought from other services.
So yes, I also hope this eventually comes to steam, and if and when it does, I hope those of us that have bought bgee from beamdog will be able to claim the steam version (Which I was not able to do with Penny arcade adventures and the tales of monkey island).
I'm pretty excited about this and may purchase it on one of my portable devices - I will hold off on the computer purchase until (or if) it is available on Steam. I've purchased the BG collection many times over the years other than a new adventure and some characters I feel I can get a pretty similar experience with the community mods. Thanks for doing this guys! You'll have a guaranteed purchase from me and many others if you can get it on steam.
if you release to stream you might have close to a million sales or more, i seriously dont understand why you do not do this ( i for one do not intend to buy from minor digital companys, i burned my hands to many times, and besides all my other games are on steam )
On another node, Good job overhaul, thanks for remaking one of the best games ever.
I knew devs confirmed that they do not have any plan for a steam version right now, but the problem is in some countries it's very inconvenient to purchase from beamdog. I recently saw MDK2 HD will be put on steam soon, so can we expect a steam release for BGEE sometime next year?
really looking forward to see BGEE on steam since I can not purchase it here.
I don't like Steam. I don't like being spyed on by paranoid distributing companies who bought the rights to make obscene cash off games they didn't even help to make.
They want you to be online for just about everything.
Conspiracy theories aside, being on steam means that Valve do take a cut of the profits from the game. Selling directly from here means 100% of the sale goes to the developers and/or license holders.
I really don't understand why steam is needed... I can fully understand why you would not want the beamdog client (in fact, I'm of this opinion, less third party stuff is always better) but I don't get this love for steam. There's absolutely no added value to using steam in this case (and don't get me wrong, I think steam is great, seeing how much I spent on the summer sales). And more money to the developers = more awesome games in the future.
Although steam takes its cut, there are more people who use steam than there are people who use the Beamdog Launcher. Therefore more people would actually know about BGEE if it would get a release on steam. This would lead to a greater number of potential buyers and therefore more money for Beamdog and BG3.
Thats at least why I would support a steam release. Wether they are allowed to release it on steam is a whole other matter and out of our controll however.
How is it better to get it from Steam than direct from Beamdog? You don't need a client, it's a straight up download like any other file on the internet. Saying you're better off getting it through steam is like saying you're better off if all your internet traffic were routed through steam first before it gets to you.
Getting it through Steam actually makes both you and Overhaul WORSE off.
I have to add my voice to the angry crowd of naysayers. WHY? Why do you want to be forced to use steam? As it is now, you aren't forced to use anything. You just get an .exe file, which installs the game, and you're off.
I personally can't stand steam, and I have avoided it like the plague since valve forced me to use it in order for me to play my previously steam-free copy of Counter-Strike.
I don't get it? I would be seriously miffed if I was forced to use steam to play the game, because it isn't just a matter of buying from steam (leaving the devs less of a profit), but also having to use the client in order to play. Throw in a bit of "you have to be on-line to start the game", and the level of shit just went up to your eyeballs.
I also dislike every freakin' game being on steam... I was one of the few people that actually *liked* the idea of origin. At least they provided some direct competition to steam. I own too many games on steam to just ditch it as a service completely. But, whenever I have a choice, I ALWAYS buy either directly from the source (Arena Net, Beamdog, Runic), or from a competitor that doesn't have a client I have to boot up every time I want to play my games (Amazon, GoG).
If you look through the haze and fog, *** Steam is DRM ***. And in many instances, steam punishes legitimate consumers while doing nothing to stop pirates/piracy. I challenge anyone to go through the steam catalog and find games that are NOT capable of being pirated. I also challenge anyone to state, matter of factly, that they've NEVER been hampered from playing games that they've already purchased and/or installed because of the steam client.
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In @drej163's video, TotalBuscuit makes some good points, but I don't believe people are being "irrational" when they request a Steam version (though I do think it's a bit silly to boycott the game because of it, and moronic to pirate it.)
Is Valve perfect? No. Their Mac client sucks, it's not terribly good for small SSDs (all Steam games have to be in one folder. You can use symlinks, but it's not an ideal solution) and their support isn't always the best. But their service is for me, hands-down, the most convenient place to buy my games, and I'll always go to them first if I can.
boxed version will be hard to resist though
That being said, having a friend's list like steam would be nice but not all-together necessary considering the Baldur's Gate in-game chat (which could use a bit of enhancement btw). But that's assuming you're playing with your friend in BG and not communicating across different games.
its just easier to have all your games from one online resale company, easier keeping track of everything. and you can make stuff offline available on steam too so ...
until bg-ee on steam its sticking to the mods.
what is so special about Steam that it's so important to get it from there?
Over the years I have bought games from these different services, some I have bought a bunch (GoG, Steam). But others I have only bought one game, the first episode of the penny arcade games for instance, I got this when it first came out, from a platform that I now don't remember.
So now I am not even sure how I can re download a game that I have bought, even after a quick Google search, I'm still not sure. I'm just worried a few years down the line I will have the same problem with bgee, not to mention all the other games I have bought from other services.
So yes, I also hope this eventually comes to steam, and if and when it does, I hope those of us that have bought bgee from beamdog will be able to claim the steam version (Which I was not able to do with Penny arcade adventures and the tales of monkey island).
On another node, Good job overhaul, thanks for remaking one of the best games ever.
really looking forward to see BGEE on steam since I can not purchase it here.
1.Im curious of why it should be on steam. ??
2.Howcome its better that the people that made this EE isnt selling it ?
3.Why need a 2nd or 3rd part to sell this game ?
4.Why is it inconvenient to purchase from beamdog ?
They want you to be online for just about everything.
I can fully understand why you would not want the beamdog client (in fact, I'm of this opinion, less third party stuff is always better) but I don't get this love for steam.
There's absolutely no added value to using steam in this case (and don't get me wrong, I think steam is great, seeing how much I spent on the summer sales). And more money to the developers = more awesome games in the future.
Thats at least why I would support a steam release. Wether they are allowed to release it on steam is a whole other matter and out of our controll however.
Getting it through Steam actually makes both you and Overhaul WORSE off.
I personally can't stand steam, and I have avoided it like the plague since valve forced me to use it in order for me to play my previously steam-free copy of Counter-Strike.
I don't get it? I would be seriously miffed if I was forced to use steam to play the game, because it isn't just a matter of buying from steam (leaving the devs less of a profit), but also having to use the client in order to play. Throw in a bit of "you have to be on-line to start the game", and the level of shit just went up to your eyeballs.
I was one of the few people that actually *liked* the idea of origin. At least they provided some direct competition to steam. I own too many games on steam to just ditch it as a service completely. But, whenever I have a choice, I ALWAYS buy either directly from the source (Arena Net, Beamdog, Runic), or from a competitor that doesn't have a client I have to boot up every time I want to play my games (Amazon, GoG).
If you look through the haze and fog, *** Steam is DRM ***.
And in many instances, steam punishes legitimate consumers while doing nothing to stop pirates/piracy.
I challenge anyone to go through the steam catalog and find games that are NOT capable of being pirated.
I also challenge anyone to state, matter of factly, that they've NEVER been hampered from playing games that they've already purchased and/or installed because of the steam client.