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Is wand spam considered cheese?

FubbyFubby Member Posts: 189
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Obviously the definition of cheese varies from person to person, but I would like to see what the general idea is.

Most of my combat has just devolved into fireball wand spam, as they are so strong and I found so many.

I do consider monster summon wand spam cheese, because that is broken, but the other types I am wondering about
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  • FubbyFubby Member Posts: 189
    deltago said:

    If you can say "hey, doing this makes combat much easier" then you may have found some cheddar. But it really doesn't matter. What matters is that you are having fun playing the game. Who cares what dairy products you throw at enemies while you thwart your brothers plans along the sword coast.

    Yeah, I was pretty suspicious when sending in JUST my main character with boots of speed, haste and a wand was easier than sending in all 6 members of my party to fight normally.

    Beware Sarevok! I throw dairy products at your goons, and they dont stand a chance!
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    There is a wand of summon cow that can be used to create all kinds of dairy confections...

    CLUAConsole:CreateItem("wand99",99)
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2013
    I don't think it makes the combat any easier than having an ankheg plate+ dex 18+ shield +ring of protection and a +2 longsword - fighters are well armed , while mages use heavy artillery wands.

  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    The game was meant to be fun. If you're not having fun, just hold that tactic ("that" being whichever you think is too easy) in reserve as an Anti-Frustration Measure.
  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    Wand spamming...no...boots of speed...yes.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    edited April 2013
    dstoltzfus said:

    Wand spamming...no...boots of speed...yes.

    In BG1, I don't think the Boots of Speed are cheese since you only get one and choosing who wears them can involve some strategy.

    But in ToB, where you can just buy a bunch of them from a store, yeah... a critical hit against my suspension of disbelief, let's say.
  • AlexisisinneedAlexisisinneed Member Posts: 470
    Spamming Wands isn't cheese because that's what their meant to do. Plus they have a limited use so you can't use it every battle.
  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    Well, it degrades the value of potions of speed and haste spells. Plus...it's way to tempting to change the wearer during combat...which is "a critical hit against my suspension of disbelief". Imagine taking off your boots in combat and throwing them to the tank or whatever as he hops around trying to put them on fighting off kobolds. Plus, no other enemy really has the haste effect except for a couple and they actually work to do it (potion/spell casting).
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    edited April 2013
    The most realistic solution would be to prevent players from changing not only armor, but any wearable item during combat, really. Other than a cloak (maybe), changing any other wearable item in the middle of a fight sounds just as ridiculous as the boots situation you described.
  • NecomancerNecomancer Member Posts: 622
    Considering half the strategies I see for hard battles is "Use wand of summoning" I would say yes, but that doesn't make it bad. Especially since some of the tougher battles can require a thick cheese sauce poured all over.
  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    @Necomancer, doesn't the summoning limit eliminate wand of summoning cheese?
  • NecomancerNecomancer Member Posts: 622
    dstoltzfus said:

    @Necomancer, doesn't the summoning limit eliminate wand of summoning cheese?

    I wouldn't know. I never tried it, but it strikes me that if its that recommended its effectiveness is unquestionably good and therefore, if not full on cheese, at least it has a light sprinkle of cheddar.
  • EdwinEdwin Member Posts: 480
    Not cheesy. Fro a magically challenged party it may be a downright necessity.

    With a magic centric party, I often have to remind myself to make use of wands or have a cumbersome massive collection of them ere long.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    Necomancer said:

    Considering half the strategies I see for hard battles is "Use wand of summoning" I would say yes, but that doesn't make it bad. Especially since some of the tougher battles can require a thick cheese sauce poured all over.

    @Necomancer The other half you see is "set thief traps" right?
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    I don't think it's cheese since that's the only way mages can damage enemies - with magic.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Wand of Summoning *tries* to summon more, but you still can only have 5 summons at a time.

    Also, there's 2 Boots of Speed.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/8110/a-guide-to-new-magic-items-spoilers/p1

    I didn't know another one's been added to the EE. Thanks for the heads up!
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    There's a hardcoded cooldown for any spells, activated items, and whatever else. Seems fair to me...unless you're one of those WEAKLINGS that summons a bunch of creatures.
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  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,760
    There's been an interesting discussion lately on this subject.

    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14401/how-does-one-define-cheese-in-bg-spoilers/p1

    On the current topic I'd like to add that everyone has his own consideration on this matter. I don't see using wands, summing cannon folder, equiping boots of speed as cheese. But I see reloading to get a favourable result (more HP at level up, successful scribing scrolls, less casualties in a fight) as cheese. But - again - I'm sure someone would say my point of view is wrong (for example, reloading a fight and getting the better results as a consequence can be considered not only normal but also a good idea - in the sense it makes you try the better tactics). You must be honest with yourself - that's the main thing. If you find something right and something wrong - act as you wish. If you find the certain strategy cheesy, you can always try something different - it'll give you the new experience.
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    edited April 2013
    I find the fact you can buy fully charged wands of all types from Sorcerous sundries rather cheesy. They are cheap too, when you have high cha-reputation. Making a wand is very long, tiring, expensive project. It is a grand quest in its own to get the magical components needed and even then you still roll to see if you are succesful in creating the wand, according to PnP rules.

    What I did, I edited my game and removed all the wands from shops. And I made the remaining wands in the game unsellable, so you can not sell and buy them back to fully charge. Now wands are powerful, hard to find tools with fleeting power. Not some kind of 'ammo' you can buy or refill easily from a shop.
  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    @lunar, you could make it a house rule to just not buy or sell wands as I do :)
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    @dstoltzfus

    I know, but editing them is super easy too, I opened dltcep, loaded the wands, checked 'unsellable' box and saved them. Makes the rule more official feeling. ^^ Also edited the stores and removed all wands from them. Umm is it true that you can buy unlimited wands from Sorcerous sunderies, I remember it so before editing but I am not sure.
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    edited April 2013
    Tresset said:

    What isn't considered cheese these days? I don't worry about such things and just play the game my way.

    Pretty much, my last strategy for beating Sarevok down was to point wands of paralyzation at him and whittle him down with poisons and acid arrows while everybody beat his friends down and lured them into traps. Lac... *snaps fingers* ...TOSE! *snaps fingers*
  • bill_zagoudisbill_zagoudis Member Posts: 207
    no,but imo there should be less wands
  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    Not cheese.

    Not even a ham substitute.

    It is more yoghurt...
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    deltago said:

    If you can say "hey, doing this makes combat much easier" then you may have found some cheddar. But it really doesn't matter. What matters is that you are having fun playing the game. Who cares what dairy products you throw at enemies while you thwart your brothers plans along the sword coast.

    Hey, I found that actually using swords and armor makes combat much easier (than not using them).

  • MathmickMathmick Member Posts: 326
    Using wands isn't cheese... they're consumables! If you use them now you won't be able to use them later when you might need them.
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