Aerie has a high pitched voice, more so than both Nalia and Imoen. She is also petulent and feeble in that she stutters from time to time and always seeks the approval of others to boost her own self esteem, unlike say Imoen, Jahiera, Viconia, Nalia or any other female character in the saga who are much more strong willed than her. Trying to say she doesn't meet these two criteria for the definition of whining is like trying to tell me my car isn't red, that it's "blood red." Also being petulent or feeble has NOTHING to do with the reason why she is complaining... I'll repeat myself for you: Complain in a petulant of feeble WAY. Emphasis mine. It is the manner in which she complains, not the reason why. You're welcome for the clarification.
You enjoy arguing for the sake of it, huh? The opinion that Aerie whines too much is a popular one amongst many players of BG and has been for YEARS and you're honestly trying to tell me that she doesn't whine at all? Not that you don't mind it if she whines because you feel she is somehow justified, or it is endearing to you because it's the type of character trait you enjoy in a woman, but that it is a FACT that she doesn't do it? You're being ridiculous.
Ok... quite a long time ago I decided that you are too stubborn to bother trying to persuade, so I stopped commenting on this 'debate'. 'Agree to disgree', so to speak... but now you've crossed a line, because clearly you don't understand that sentiment.
It seems YOU are the one who enjoys arguing for the sake of it, and claims it is 'ridiculous' that people don't accept your view on Aerie. Your tone was never particularly polite, but now it has descended into down-right rudeness and condescension. If you repeatedly slam a character many players have grown to love in their BG 2 experience, you should expect some resistance. Live with it, many of us love Aerie, we think her 'high-pitched' voice is sweet, her traumatic history deserves sympathy and her inner-strength and fortitude marks her out as somebody very special, if she was a real person.
Courage is not the ability to pretend you are an uncaring badass, it's the ability to face your fears and press on through them. I believe Aerie demonstrates that in abundance, so no, I do not think she is 'weak' in the slightest.
Your attitude makes me wonder if you simply lack empathy. I hope it's not how you treat people in real life.
I claimed it was ridiculous to insist that Aerie wasn't whining when her behavior exactly matches the definition of the term not that anyone didn't accept my view on it. Also, I never slammed the character, I said I do not like taking her along because she whines. That's my preferrence and if that feels like a slam towards the character, whom I agreed was kind and good natured earlier on, then I'm sorry you feel that way but it's your problem not mine. I'm glad that you like the character Heindrich, I don't because she whines so I'm afraid you're going to have to "live with it" that I don't like her... I'm sure you'll be able to just fine, I'm having no troubles living with the fact that you like her. ~.^
Sorry that my opinion on a fictional video game character shook your faith in my empathy to the core. And yes this is how I "treat people in real life" too, when I don't agree with them on something I tell them why. Or did you mean how I'm treating Aerie? I'm not treating her in any way because she is a fictional character, I'm talking about the reasons why I do not enjoy her as a character... is that treating her badly? I hope I didn't hurt her non-existant feelings. But in all seriousness no, I don't hang around with people who whine all the time in real life either. If that makes me "cold hearted" because I don't like to listen to peoples problems over and over again then so be it I suppose.
@Coutelier It doesn't matter if the "complaint is feeble" or not! It is the manner in which you complain. If someone came into a grocery store and demanded he have the money for his banana's returned because there were too many stickers on them but did it in a gruff demanding voice that captured everyones attention and made his point with a bullet it wouldn't be whining. It is a feeble complaint, to be sure, but the manner in which it was delivered was not whining. You clearly don't understand what the definition of the word means even after having read it and having me explain it to you at least once so I see there's really no point in arguing the matter with you. Your opinion on whether someone whines or not when you don't know what whining is seems irrelevent.
I do know what whining means, thanks. Sorry my dictionary doesn't exactly match what you had in your dictionary, but that's how these things go. The problem is that there are actually two meanings; one that applies to tone or sound of something, and one that applies to constantly complaining and moaning over nothing... I've shown her behavior doesn't exactly match either. Yes, in the example you gave the complaint is feeble. It's also trivial, and therefore is whining. Whereas with Aerie, yes, she stutters. But as that's a symptom of the traumatic past she's had and the fact that she's not used to communicating as an equal with anyone, I think to call it whining is simply being dismissive not to mention devaluing the word. The person's voice is irrelevant, as people clearly can't help what voice they have. Otherwise, I'd have to start believing that anytime anyone complains about anything who isn't some gruff, manly man, they're just whining.
A tip though; if you don't like Aerie, say it's because of the nasty things she says about Khalid. That at least definitely does happen and no one can dispute it. I would point out that Viconia does it well, and not just in the romantic catfights like Aerie does, but remarks casually outside them as well. It's obviously just far more shocking when Aerie does it because it's very unusual behavior for her, and you probably shouldn't read too much into things people say when they're depressed and angry anyway. But it does happen.
Is that so? I'm curious what dictionary you use then.
"I've shown her behavior doesn't exactly match either."
"And having listened a lot to the sound sets I'd say Imoen's voice is higher." That doesn't show anything, that's your opinion. And this disproves nothing, at best all it means is that when Imoen complains she whines as well... good thing she doesn't complain constantly like Aerie.
It's an opinion either way, but as far as I can make out there is little discernible difference in the pitch of their voices. There are times when they go up, and times when they go down, but in general not much between them. Maybe Aerie does have a slightly higher pitched than an average woman, but she hardly sounds like Alora.
And as earlier established, Aerie doesn't constantly complain. She never discusses her wings with any other NPC, and only talks about it to the PC if she trusts and has feelings for them, and then she comes to terms with her feelings and stops.
"Aerie is also a very strong willed character; more determined and more aggressive even than Nalia or even Imoen." Has nothing to do with the way she complains, making her a whiner... unless you own the as of yet unnamed dictionary you possess that seems to have a different definition than every other dictionary.
Whining - adjective/noun.
1. A long, high, sad sound.
2. Making repeated, especially trivial, complaints.
Yes, I can copy and paste as well.
Tip noted but I think I'll continue to dislike her for my own reasons.
As you wish. I was just trying to help, as your reasons are nonsense.
Yeah, cool. Blah Blah, are we done yet?
I was done ages ago, but you've kept going on about it.
This thread has devolved into whether or not Aerie's soundset and romance is technically whining.
What?
How we use language is somewhat important, more so than the actual dictionary definition, and whining is usually dismissive and meant to say those aren't real problems worth complaining about. Slavery and amputation... none of that's as bad as my papercut, which I showed to my friend who's a fireman and he agreed it was the worst kind of injury anyone's ever had to endure.
Why are you trying to convince me? My comment was made regarding the direction of this thread, directed towards the arguments you two are having toward the specific dictionary definition of "whining", and whether or not it applies to Aerie exactly to the letter or not.
One lovely example was an argument one of you that Aerie isn't technically whining because the pitch of her voice isn't high relative to other characters.
Why are you trying to convince me? My comment was made regarding the direction of this thread, directed towards the arguments you two are having toward the specific dictionary definition of "whining", and whether or not it applies to Aerie exactly to the letter or not.
One lovely example was an argument one of you that Aerie isn't technically whining because the pitch of her voice isn't high relative to other characters.
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Great, now I'm derailing the thread.
It's not really my argument; I explained, or tried to, I'm not really that interested in whether it exactly matches a particular dictionary definition or whatnot. Other people keep bringing up that stuff. If people are saying she has a high pitched voice, then naturally it will be pointed out that she hasn't really.
So, to go back on track then, Quayle may be a funnier character at first, but only in a way that gets repetitive and old very fast. That's why I prefer Aerie.
I wish people wouldn't fight about these kinds of things. I don't much understand why some people get so invested in being right about a matter of opinion that they aggressively lash out at anyone who thinks differently. The world is so much more interesting when one can appreciate and sympathize with various opinions, ways of thinking, and worldviews.
Back on topic: I once used a photograph of actress Bree Williamson, who played Jessica Buchanan on One Life to Live, for Aerie in my game:
Now that I look at her again, I guess maybe she doesn't look quite wide-eyed and wounded enough for the character, depending on how her makeup is done. With just the right makeup and costume, she might fit into the role pretty well, though.
I wish people wouldn't fight about these kinds of things. I don't much understand why some people get so invested in being right about a matter of opinion that they aggressively lash out at anyone who thinks differently. The world is so much more interesting when one can appreciate and sympathize with various opinions, ways of thinking, and worldviews.
I don't know. I really don't like arguing at all, at least not like this. I'm a nice person, really; I don't like being rude to people or aggressive. Not even on the internet. But what tends to happen in my experience, mostly of this very topic oddly enough, is that you start off trying to be nice and reasonable and saying 'well, that's interesting, but I've got a different opinion to yours...' But then, instead of a reasonable discussion you just get insulted, and then it's very hard to still be nice so you begin to answer in kind. Still, I agree; life would be boring if everyone just thought the same about everything.
When I was in college, there was a girl who I thought looked a lot like Aerie, with the pale skin, little mouth, and narrow chin. Obviously she didn't have the ears, and her eyes weren't as big or as slanted, and she had black hair instead of blonde. But otherwise... kind of wish I'd gotten to know her now.
Yeah, I didn't insult anyone actually and you were trying to prove that Aerie wasn't whining, you weren't voicing your opinion. Lets not beat around the bush here.
Fun fact about Quayle: he wears a hat. See, I'm still on topic.
Yeah, I didn't insult anyone actually and you were trying to prove that Aerie wasn't whining, you weren't voicing your opinion. Lets not beat around the bush here.
Fun fact about Quayle: he wears a hat. See, I'm still on topic.
Quayle wears a hat, but at least it isn't a fedora. And he has a beard and wears glasses, but at least it isn't a nasty neckbeard. ...Quayle, you are SO close to me letting Shar-Teel use you as a training dummy.
Yeah, I didn't insult anyone actually and you were trying to prove that Aerie wasn't whining, you weren't voicing your opinion. Lets not beat around the bush here.
And you were trying to prove that she was, by quoting a dictionary. One dictionary out of hundreds, and even then open to some interpretation. Quayle wears spectacles too. Does he wear them all the time? Are they for reading? Things we can only speculate about (I think they're for cheating at cards).
I certainly was but didn't try to deny it afterwards. That was actually the same definition from google dictionary and the top 4 results when you google "whining definition", not just one, I stopped after reading the same thing 5 times and it validated what I knew the definition to be.
I certainly was but didn't try to deny it afterwards. That was actually the same definition from google dictionary and the top 4 results when you google "whining definition", not just one, I stopped after reading the same thing 5 times and it validated what I knew the definition to be.
Dear me; you just have to have the last word don't you. I have several dictionaries, and google, thanks. I say she isn't whining, and not just because of what a dictionary says, but because of the way the word is typically used in language. That is my position; I haven't denied it at all.
This thread has devolved into whether or not Aerie's soundset and romance is technically whining.
What?
Sad part is it still hasn't improved.
Oh no; it's improved a lot. At least it would have if we were Cardassians; they like repetition. I suppose there's not really a whole lot more to be said about 'Aerie vs Quayle'. The topic never really had any legs anyway. I have occasionally wondered what would happen if you blew a gnome, or halfling, up to the size of human... pound for pound they must be much stronger. Quayle would break every bone in your hand by shaking it.
Oh no; it's improved a lot. At least it would have if we were Cardassians; they like repetition. I suppose there's not really a whole lot more to be said about 'Aerie vs Quayle'. The topic never really had any legs anyway. I have occasionally wondered what would happen if you blew a gnome, or halfling, up to the size of human... pound for pound they must be much stronger. Quayle would break every bone in your hand by shaking it.
So you're saying that the next time I hug Finch, I should get down on my knees? ? That would be the most adorable cause of a broken ribcage, ever!
In almost all games i keep Aerie, she is a powerhouse of spells and could join very early in the game. The occasional whining doesn't really bother me. The insistence of going on their questline does, but Minsc and Jaheira do the same.
Quayle: heh, a gnome sitting on the road when i approach Baldur's Gate with a full party. No chance, gnome.
The good news at least with him, Tiax, and with Alora is that you are rewarded for your patience. But yea I see where you are coming from.
If Quayle could join your party in BG2 - and he had worse stats than Aerie - I'd still choose him over Aerie, if only so I could hear Quayle's smug remarks when the party finds Tiax. XD
That would be pretty awesome. That and any Jan/Quayle dialogue. Frankly I think that he'd have been a great addition to BG2. Alas, such things are left to modders.
Oh no; it's improved a lot. At least it would have if we were Cardassians; they like repetition. I suppose there's not really a whole lot more to be said about 'Aerie vs Quayle'. The topic never really had any legs anyway. I have occasionally wondered what would happen if you blew a gnome, or halfling, up to the size of human... pound for pound they must be much stronger. Quayle would break every bone in your hand by shaking it.
So you're saying that the next time I hug Finch, I should get down on my knees? ? That would be the most adorable cause of a broken ribcage, ever!
If you made her the size of a human. She'd be four or five times stronger than you, or something...
If Quayle could join your party in BG2 - and he had worse stats than Aerie - I'd still choose him over Aerie, if only so I could hear Quayle's smug remarks when the party finds Tiax. XD
That would be pretty awesome. That and any Jan/Quayle dialogue. Frankly I think that he'd have been a great addition to BG2. Alas, such things are left to modders.
I think Quayle does say something to Jan if you talk him in the circus tent with the other gnome. Not much though; I'd have to look it up with InfExp...
When it comes to gnomes/halflings and their strength. Perhaps they are a bit stronger than humans/elves pound-for-pound, but actually I think on average their strength and constitution must be much lower.
For example 15/15/15 (str/dex/con) might be exceptional for a human warrior, but it would be godly for a halfling/gnome. In fact this is one reason I could never roleplay a halfling/gnomes, at least not in a frontline fighter role, cos I could not justify giving him any more than 10 for Str and 10 for Cons. Then again I am so stubborn about 'realism' it almost offends me when people put 18/18/18 into any character. lol
Oh no; it's improved a lot. At least it would have if we were Cardassians; they like repetition. I suppose there's not really a whole lot more to be said about 'Aerie vs Quayle'. The topic never really had any legs anyway. I have occasionally wondered what would happen if you blew a gnome, or halfling, up to the size of human... pound for pound they must be much stronger. Quayle would break every bone in your hand by shaking it.
So you're saying that the next time I hug Finch, I should get down on my knees? ? That would be the most adorable cause of a broken ribcage, ever!
If you made her the size of a human. She'd be four or five times stronger than you, or something...
If Quayle could join your party in BG2 - and he had worse stats than Aerie - I'd still choose him over Aerie, if only so I could hear Quayle's smug remarks when the party finds Tiax. XD
That would be pretty awesome. That and any Jan/Quayle dialogue. Frankly I think that he'd have been a great addition to BG2. Alas, such things are left to modders.
I think Quayle does say something to Jan if you talk him in the circus tent with the other gnome. Not much though; I'd have to look it up with InfExp...
Yes they do share a few lines. Its very chummy though (they know eachother and Jan jokingly calls Quayle "queasy").
When it comes to gnomes/halflings and their strength. Perhaps they are a bit stronger than humans/elves pound-for-pound, but actually I think on average their strength and constitution must be much lower.
For example 15/15/15 (str/dex/con) might be exceptional for a human warrior, but it would be godly for a halfling/gnome. In fact this is one reason I could never roleplay a halfling/gnomes, at least not in a frontline fighter role, cos I could not justify giving him any more than 10 for Str and 10 for Cons. Then again I am so stubborn about 'realism' it almost offends me when people put 18/18/18 into any character. lol
It wouldn't be without precedent in nature though... Chimpanzees, for example, are half the size of us, but just as strong, perhaps stronger.
I think Quayle does say something to Jan if you talk him in the circus tent with the other gnome. Not much though; I'd have to look it up with InfExp...
Yes they do share a few lines. Its very chummy though (they know eachother and Jan jokingly calls Quayle "queasy").
Yeah. I'd always imagined that if something happened to Quayle and Aerie was forced to leave the party for any reason, the Jansen's might be one of the few places she would go that would take her in. Or she might just go there anyway, since I doubt she ever wants to return to the circus; she just wants a bit of help to find her own feet.
I certainly was but didn't try to deny it afterwards. That was actually the same definition from google dictionary and the top 4 results when you google "whining definition", not just one, I stopped after reading the same thing 5 times and it validated what I knew the definition to be.
Dear me; you just have to have the last word don't you. I have several dictionaries, and google, thanks. I say she isn't whining, and not just because of what a dictionary says, but because of the way the word is typically used in language. That is my position; I haven't denied it at all.
I find it quite funny when someone complains that the other person "always has to have the last word!" and then proceeds to get the last word in immediately afterwards. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
I certainly was but didn't try to deny it afterwards. That was actually the same definition from google dictionary and the top 4 results when you google "whining definition", not just one, I stopped after reading the same thing 5 times and it validated what I knew the definition to be.
Dear me; you just have to have the last word don't you. I have several dictionaries, and google, thanks. I say she isn't whining, and not just because of what a dictionary says, but because of the way the word is typically used in language. That is my position; I haven't denied it at all.
I find it quite funny when someone complains that the other person "always has to have the last word!" and then proceeds to get the last word in immediately afterwards. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
I certainly was but didn't try to deny it afterwards. That was actually the same definition from google dictionary and the top 4 results when you google "whining definition", not just one, I stopped after reading the same thing 5 times and it validated what I knew the definition to be.
Dear me; you just have to have the last word don't you. I have several dictionaries, and google, thanks. I say she isn't whining, and not just because of what a dictionary says, but because of the way the word is typically used in language. That is my position; I haven't denied it at all.
I find it quite funny when someone complains that the other person "always has to have the last word!" and then proceeds to get the last word in immediately afterwards. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
It's funnier when someone complains about that, and in so doing hopes to have the last word.
I find it quite funny when someone complains that the other person "always has to have the last word!" and then proceeds to get the last word in immediately afterwards. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
Well, Collins defines 'words' as:
1. The text of a part of an actor, etc 2. The text or lyrics of a song, as opposed to the music 3. angry speech (esp in the phrase have words with someone)
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
What does this have to do with Aerie, Quayle, or Cleric/Mages in general?
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
What does this have to do with Aerie, Quayle, or Cleric/Mages in general?
I think some people do find talk about numbers a bit... dry. It's not really fair to rate them that way; If Quayle were in BG2, he'd hit the same caps as Aerie, and vice versa, and they both have other advantages and abilities to make up for any shortcomings. Both can carry shields and wear helmets, Aerie can use her cleric spells in sequencers and the like, which Quayle can't; well, I think I found one scroll of minor spell sequencer in my last playthrough. But in any case, Aerie is Quayle's successor, not his rival.
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
What does this have to do with Aerie, Quayle, or Cleric/Mages in general?
I think some people do find talk about numbers a bit... dry. It's not really fair to rate them that way; If Quayle were in BG2, he'd hit the same caps as Aerie, and vice versa, and they both have other advantages and abilities to make up for any shortcomings. Both can carry shields and wear helmets, Aerie can use her cleric spells in sequencers and the like, which Quayle can't; well, I think I found one scroll of minor spell sequencer in my last playthrough. But in any case, Aerie is Quayle's successor, not his rival.
I don't think talking about the definition of words is any more scintillating.
There is nothing functional that stops someone from using Quayle as a playable character in BG2. Other than the mods, which may not fully work with BG2EE, all you have to do is have debug mode enabled and hit ctrl-q on him. He has his voice sets from BG1. He just won't have any dialogue interactions (unless of course you use a mod or write them yourself). Necromancy spells are the only spells they differ in being able to use.
i prefer quayle because (before baeloth), he was the second best caster in BG due to fact that with multi-class capping in BG he only lost a couple of cleric or mage spells compared to straight cleric or mages (quayle will cap as a 7/7 c/i, missing out on 2 mage levels and 1 cleric level)
aerie's impact is less, as i don't think she's the next best (or even third best) caster in SoA, because with the multi xp cap, she misses out on more levels. (aerie caps in SoA as a 14/15 m/c, missing out on 3 mage levels and 6 cleric levels)
disclaimer: i've not played to the SoA cap for years, so my maths might be off on those levels
If you are strictly going off the 2,950,000 cap that the original SoA used then Cleric/Mage would get level 13 as a mage and 14 as a cleric. With the ToB cap, and assuming each party member gets 3.3 million XP before the end of SoA, you would get around a 15/14 Cleric/Mage.
Suddenly I want to know how various dictionaries define words again...
What does this have to do with Aerie, Quayle, or Cleric/Mages in general?
I think some people do find talk about numbers a bit... dry. It's not really fair to rate them that way; If Quayle were in BG2, he'd hit the same caps as Aerie, and vice versa, and they both have other advantages and abilities to make up for any shortcomings. Both can carry shields and wear helmets, Aerie can use her cleric spells in sequencers and the like, which Quayle can't; well, I think I found one scroll of minor spell sequencer in my last playthrough. But in any case, Aerie is Quayle's successor, not his rival.
I don't think talking about the definition of words is any more scintillating.
No. It's not. I fully agree there.
There is nothing functional that stops someone from using Quayle as a playable character in BG2. Other than the mods, which may not fully work with BG2EE, all you have to do is have debug mode enabled and hit ctrl-q on him. He has his voice sets from BG1. He just won't have any dialogue interactions (unless of course you use a mod or write them yourself). Necromancy spells are the only spells they differ in being able to use.
Or vice-versa; you can create Aerie as a character in BG1, and I have done. I agree; she is far more awesome in BG1 than in 2, due to not being far behind a single class mage or cleric at the cap. But she's still pretty awesome in 2.
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Yeah, cool. Blah Blah, are we done yet?
I was done ages ago, but you've kept going on about it. How we use language is somewhat important, more so than the actual dictionary definition, and whining is usually dismissive and meant to say those aren't real problems worth complaining about. Slavery and amputation... none of that's as bad as my papercut, which I showed to my friend who's a fireman and he agreed it was the worst kind of injury anyone's ever had to endure.
One lovely example was an argument one of you that Aerie isn't technically whining because the pitch of her voice isn't high relative to other characters.
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Great, now I'm derailing the thread.
So, to go back on track then, Quayle may be a funnier character at first, but only in a way that gets repetitive and old very fast. That's why I prefer Aerie.
Back on topic:
I once used a photograph of actress Bree Williamson, who played Jessica Buchanan on One Life to Live, for Aerie in my game:
Now that I look at her again, I guess maybe she doesn't look quite wide-eyed and wounded enough for the character, depending on how her makeup is done. With just the right makeup and costume, she might fit into the role pretty well, though.
When I was in college, there was a girl who I thought looked a lot like Aerie, with the pale skin, little mouth, and narrow chin. Obviously she didn't have the ears, and her eyes weren't as big or as slanted, and she had black hair instead of blonde. But otherwise... kind of wish I'd gotten to know her now.
Fun fact about Quayle: he wears a hat.
See, I'm still on topic.
Wait.
Quayle wears a hat, but at least it isn't a fedora. And he has a beard and wears glasses, but at least it isn't a nasty neckbeard.
...Quayle, you are SO close to me letting Shar-Teel use you as a training dummy.
I think they're to make him see gooder.
For example 15/15/15 (str/dex/con) might be exceptional for a human warrior, but it would be godly for a halfling/gnome. In fact this is one reason I could never roleplay a halfling/gnomes, at least not in a frontline fighter role, cos I could not justify giving him any more than 10 for Str and 10 for Cons. Then again I am so stubborn about 'realism' it almost offends me when people put 18/18/18 into any character. lol
1. The text of a part of an actor, etc
2. The text or lyrics of a song, as opposed to the music
3. angry speech (esp in the phrase have words with someone)
Is that the kind of thing you were after?
There is nothing functional that stops someone from using Quayle as a playable character in BG2. Other than the mods, which may not fully work with BG2EE, all you have to do is have debug mode enabled and hit ctrl-q on him. He has his voice sets from BG1. He just won't have any dialogue interactions (unless of course you use a mod or write them yourself). Necromancy spells are the only spells they differ in being able to use.