Rather than aggressively antagonizing everyone once it was revealed that most of what you posted in this thread was incorrect, why don't you specify who, exactly, you're attacking?
Come on. You made a random thread complaining that the PALADIN NPC objects to your evil acts. Any reason why that should be confusing to you went out the window when you were corrected regarding Drizzt's origins. It's obvious that the game doesn't account for EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO in which Keldorn would object, so the original developers simply hit the main issues for him, such as Drizzt, the silver dragon, and certain members of his order.
Man up and admit you were wrong. This thread is finished, all that remains is you belligerently lashing out.
Your writing leaves much to be desired in the specificity departments.
And whatever the specific encounter you're having is with Keldorn, the answer is going to be one of two things: Either a) You're wrong, and the NPC isn't part of Keldorn's order, or b) You're right, and it's a minor oversight like many other possible encounters in the game.
Listen man, no need to rage. You were wrong, people are wrong all the time. I may have misread your insistence on your false information as trolling, and for that I'm sorry.
Nope. You can kill members of the order that come for you post ambush. Your screenshots prove that you like madhax dont read and thus cant admit to being wrong.
(This is my topic but you just want to troll it but i guess that is better than stay on topic for some people)
Honestly, all @Madhax did was politely correct a false statement, and explain his position. You can't stay on topic for a topic that is based on things that are literally not true.
Like Person 1 "The unicorn I met yesterday was such a jerk" Person 2: "there is no such thing as unicorn" Person 1: "stop trolling"
Regardless, discussion (I thought) were meant to share opinions/views that are not always the same. If anyone that disagrees with you is going off topic, then what were you posting for? For everyone to say "yeah I agree, you are totally right"?
I misread something that had a GLARING typo (which apparently is trolling). English might not be your first language, so honest mistake. Perhaps I misread your insistence on false information after multiple (at least four) people disagreed as an attempt to troll. If this was not the case, then sorry.
edit: also you said Keldorn is fine attacking paladins "post-Firkraag ambush". You didn't mention that you did not make the right choice with Garren Windspear.
Tennisgolfboll, you do have to realise that your English is far from perfect. It's not always easy to understand exactly what you are trying to say because of the numerous issues with the language in your posts, so you have to beforgiving with people for misinterpreting what you're saying.
Am I right in thinking that the sort of situation you're thinking of is before you complete Windspear Hills, after you kill the first party that attacks you when you go there? If you turn down Galen Windspear's offer of sanctuary, Paladins will randomly attack you in Athkatla. I believe that Keldorn does not object to you killing those guys. Is that what you're saying?
Nope. You can kill members of the order that come for you post ambush. Your screenshots prove that you like madhax dont read and thus cant admit to being wrong.
Omg u are one stubborn ...
Why didnt u just say that to begin with? Instead of just hurling insults at somebody who made a genuine mistake and misread "aerie and korgan dong get along", and probably missed that your "dong" meant "don't".
Anyway I think I know the above scenario, I haven't encountered it myself, but I've seen it mentioned by others. As I understand it...
1) Firkraag tricks ur party into killing Ajantis and other members of the Order. 2) If u refuse Garren Windspear's offer to explain yourself to the Order, then you will be attacked by members of the Order when you return to Athkatla.
This is totally different to "Keldorn is okay with me slaughtering the Order of the Radiant Heart". Because Keldorn has been tricked by Firkraag, and his order has wrongly accused him of murder, and thus he can arguably feel compelled to defend himself and his comrades. (It is morally ambiguous, but clearly not an objectively evil act compared to simply storming the Order of the Radiant Heart).
Keldorn is fine with war and bloodbaths, he will accept alot and it makes sense charname is worth it.
Oh and on this point.
"Charname is worth it"... How could Keldorn know? I mean you the player with metagame knowledge knows that Charname may eventually rid the world of great evils. But Keldorn cannot be expected to simply know about Charname's destiny, or the decisions he will make in the future. Thus Keldorn can only be expected to judge Charname based on his actions in the present.
If Charnames decides to murder a renowned hero of Faerun, clearly Keldorn feels that Charname has 'fallen to the Bhaal taint' and must be stopped before he grows into an even greater danger to the world.
Your use of the word "Betrayal" sparked a discussion, one you were all-too-willing to participate in on the first page of this thread. It takes two to tango off-topic. And frankly, from your original post, I didn't think you really wanted to ask about Adalon as much as you simply wanted to complain about Keldorn, and given that it took you this long to play the "off-topic" card I'm not sure I was wrong in that assumption.
I actually don't know if Keldorn attacks you if you attack Adalon. I don't make it a habit of committing evil acts with a paladin in the party. Some light googling seems to indicate that no party members will quit if you attack her, though.
I actually don't know if Keldorn attacks you if you attack Adalon. I don't make it a habit of committing evil acts with a paladin in the party. Some light googling seems to indicate that no party members will quit if you attack her, though.
We disagree about keldorns personality but that isnt what i asked ofc. We can talk about that aswell but only to a point i still want my topic to stay on topic
You cant help yourself can you? Please read my previous post a few more times
Ironically, you are the one who is totally dismissing entirely related and reasoned arguments, backed up with facts and logic, whilst you have responded only with insults. Up until this point, I have not been remotely rude to you. But fuck it, I can't be bothered. I've made my point. Take it or leave it.
The logic of making coherent and respectful arguments, without using personal insults when someone happens to disagree with your position.
Also the logic of realizing that when people are thrown off by your spelling mistakes, and later apologize for it, perhaps there was no ill will to begin with?
"Keldorn betrays me for killing that evil drow Drizzt! WTF?" "Drizzt isn't evil." "He killed a whole bunch of people!" "Nope. That's kind of his backstory." "But Keldorn is fine with me killing other good people!" "Such as?" "His own Order!" "Nope - evidence #1." "The other guys!" "Nope - evidence #2." "The guys from the ambush!" "You mean the guys who are hunting you because you sided with a Red Dragon?" "Yeah!" "It's self-defense, Firkraag tricked you." "Does Keldorn betray you for killing Adalon?" "Uh... were you planning on using your Paladin to murder a good dragon who's willing to help you?" "... Stop derailing my posts!"
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Man up and admit you were wrong. This thread is finished, all that remains is you belligerently lashing out.
And whatever the specific encounter you're having is with Keldorn, the answer is going to be one of two things: Either a) You're wrong, and the NPC isn't part of Keldorn's order, or b) You're right, and it's a minor oversight like many other possible encounters in the game.
But since you havent for all this time i will help you. You probably still wont read but meh....
Keldorn betrays me if i kill drizzt. Does he do the same for the silver dragon?
(This is my topic but you just want to troll it but i guess that is better than stay on topic for some people)
Btw im 90 percent sure of the answer allready
Listen man, no need to rage. You were wrong, people are wrong all the time. I may have misread your insistence on your false information as trolling, and for that I'm sorry.
Like
Person 1 "The unicorn I met yesterday was such a jerk"
Person 2: "there is no such thing as unicorn"
Person 1: "stop trolling"
Regardless, discussion (I thought) were meant to share opinions/views that are not always the same. If anyone that disagrees with you is going off topic, then what were you posting for? For everyone to say "yeah I agree, you are totally right"?
I misread something that had a GLARING typo (which apparently is trolling). English might not be your first language, so honest mistake. Perhaps I misread your insistence on false information after multiple (at least four) people disagreed as an attempt to troll. If this was not the case, then sorry.
edit: also you said Keldorn is fine attacking paladins "post-Firkraag ambush". You didn't mention that you did not make the right choice with Garren Windspear.
Am I right in thinking that the sort of situation you're thinking of is before you complete Windspear Hills, after you kill the first party that attacks you when you go there? If you turn down Galen Windspear's offer of sanctuary, Paladins will randomly attack you in Athkatla. I believe that Keldorn does not object to you killing those guys. Is that what you're saying?
Why didnt u just say that to begin with? Instead of just hurling insults at somebody who made a genuine mistake and misread "aerie and korgan dong get along", and probably missed that your "dong" meant "don't".
Anyway I think I know the above scenario, I haven't encountered it myself, but I've seen it mentioned by others. As I understand it...
1) Firkraag tricks ur party into killing Ajantis and other members of the Order.
2) If u refuse Garren Windspear's offer to explain yourself to the Order, then you will be attacked by members of the Order when you return to Athkatla.
This is totally different to "Keldorn is okay with me slaughtering the Order of the Radiant Heart". Because Keldorn has been tricked by Firkraag, and his order has wrongly accused him of murder, and thus he can arguably feel compelled to defend himself and his comrades. (It is morally ambiguous, but clearly not an objectively evil act compared to simply storming the Order of the Radiant Heart).
Will keldorn betray charname for killing the silver dragon?
Read it in caps another 5 times before you talk about evil deeds etc etc
"Charname is worth it"... How could Keldorn know? I mean you the player with metagame knowledge knows that Charname may eventually rid the world of great evils. But Keldorn cannot be expected to simply know about Charname's destiny, or the decisions he will make in the future. Thus Keldorn can only be expected to judge Charname based on his actions in the present.
If Charnames decides to murder a renowned hero of Faerun, clearly Keldorn feels that Charname has 'fallen to the Bhaal taint' and must be stopped before he grows into an even greater danger to the world.
I actually don't know if Keldorn attacks you if you attack Adalon. I don't make it a habit of committing evil acts with a paladin in the party. Some light googling seems to indicate that no party members will quit if you attack her, though.
Keldorn says he joins you to serve justice, save your friend and later on to help you become (and make sure you remain) a force of good in the world.
I'd say going around killing innocents or heroes is betraying him, not the other way around.
That you assume its to complain is to bad.
You mean the one in which you said Again, it is not a betrayal. Its like saying if you attack Korgan after he punches your mom, you are somehow the one who is doing the betraying.
You have done nothing but try your hardest to derail my topic
Also the logic of realizing that when people are thrown off by your spelling mistakes, and later apologize for it, perhaps there was no ill will to begin with?
Anyway, this topic gave me syphilis.
"Keldorn betrays me for killing that evil drow Drizzt! WTF?"
"Drizzt isn't evil."
"He killed a whole bunch of people!"
"Nope. That's kind of his backstory."
"But Keldorn is fine with me killing other good people!"
"Such as?"
"His own Order!"
"Nope - evidence #1."
"The other guys!"
"Nope - evidence #2."
"The guys from the ambush!"
"You mean the guys who are hunting you because you sided with a Red Dragon?"
"Yeah!"
"It's self-defense, Firkraag tricked you."
"Does Keldorn betray you for killing Adalon?"
"Uh... were you planning on using your Paladin to murder a good dragon who's willing to help you?"
"... Stop derailing my posts!"
Still not on topic but kudos