But as my question was answered by my own playthrough we are no longer off topic.
And with these words, Certus left to find other adventures. Though he never reached the dizzying heights of those that came before and after him, many lulz were had, and many a werebear slain.
He finally found his home along with his other kind at Durlags Tower, and with it, a sense of peace, free from remorse for his past questionable actions.
Though he met his end ingloriously, by the hands of Durlag himself no less, legends speak of a faint glow from the basement of that famous tower, of a whisper which were believed to be his last words.....Cernd, I did it for the lo....
But as my question was answered by my own playthrough we are no longer off topic.
And with these words, Certus left to find other adventures. Though he never reached the dizzying heights of those that came before and after him, many lulz were had, and many a werebear slain.
He finally found his home along with his other kind at Durlags Tower, and with it, a sense of peace, free from remorse for his past questionable actions.
Though he met his end ingloriously, by the hands of Durlag himself no less, legends speak of a faint glow from the basement of that famous tower, of a whisper which were believed to be his last words.....Cernd, I did it for the lo....
For you to be upset over Keldorn turning against you in this matter tells me that you don't have much understanding of alignments and role playing.
One thing that is lacking in computer games, and likely always will be (due to the complexity of programming that would be required) is bona fide role playing. BG and the Infinity Engine do a pretty good job, but still remains imperfect.
* I agree with your point on Viconia. Keldorn should be opposed to this; the scenario played out was a witch hunt, not a lawful trial. * Paladins and the like do have a belief in redemption and atonement. Drizzt is redeemed by his many acts of good works and turning has back on the ways of the Drow. * The slaughter of the knights in Windspear Hills was by outside influence. A Paladin would be dishonored by taking part in this carnage, but this would not be without redemption as outside influences were at stake. * It is an evil act to seek someone's demise for your own self-gain.
If truth be known, any Ranger or good-aligned character should also turn against a character who decides it's a good idea to kill a Drizzt: Minsc, Valygar, Anomen (if he passed his test and is Lawful Good), Nalia, Imoen -- all of these good-aligned characters should stand against this act. Even Edwin, "Lawful Evil", could reasonably stand against you. (The "evil" part of this wouldn't bother him, but the act is also "chaotic", and even though "evil" a "Lawful Evil" believes that there must be order).
Korgan (Chaotic Evil) and Jan (Chaotic Neutral) are the only 2 I can think of off the top of my head who could possibly (according to alignment and role playing) back this decision. And maybe ... maybe the neutrals, such as Jaheira and haer'Dalis.
So, honestly, from the perspective of a veteran D&D player, I don't understand your complaint that Keldorn stands against you in this choice as I am disappointed that other good-aligned characters will stick by the protagonist when committing evil acts.
Can someone please explain what 'fallen ranger' means. I killed some dragon and one of my characters has lost his spells?
@certus 'tis a ranger that has tripped and can't get up. He dropped his spellbook when he took the tumble and therefore can cast no arcane spells, nor perform ranger special abilities, such as offensive spin and quivering palm
Can someone please explain what 'fallen ranger' means. I killed some dragon and one of my characters has lost his spells?
It means that your Ranger probably killed a dragon of good alignment or performed some other act that was against goodness and/or against nature.
Rangers are expected to be of good alignment and they are expected to be protectors of the natural world. By committing acts that act against goodness and nature, they defy their mythos, and by doing so, lose the grace of their diety.
With Rangers, Paladins and Cleric/Priests, your spells and abilities are granted to you by your diety. If you act against your diety's mythos, your diety will remove those divinely-granted powers.
Neither, as there would be no evil act involved in this chaos. But, as it is chaos, each playing their own game by their own rules, a Paladin (or any creature of LAWFUL alignment; be it LAWFUL GOOD, LAWFUL NEUTRAL or LAWFUL EVIL) would each set out to get Cernd and this Ranger/Cleric playing the same game by the same rules.
Now, if Cernd was fighting for his life against a Ranger/Cleric, Keldorn would attack Cernd.
Rangers are of good alignment, and being so, Keldorn would likely be correct to assume that the Ranger/Cleric was acting as a force of good.
Cernd (being a Druid) is of Neutral alignment. And Druids act according to "balance"; in the (in Keldorn's mind) "false" belief that there must be evil for good to exist. By opposing the Ranger/Cleric, it would appear that this day, Cernd had decided to "preserve the balance" by performing an evil act or defending an evil being.
To the Lawful Good, and ESPECIALLY to the Paladin, there is no such thing as "Neutral". Go back to the Copper Coronet and Anomen: "Strangers! Are you a force of righteousness?" "There is no true good or evil. The universe is a balance of all things." "Bah! The excuse of the damned!"
Again, the aspect of role playing is sorely lacking in computer games, but once in a while, playing a "good" creature or running around with "good" creatures then thinking you can do whatever you want to do without consequence does come to haunt you, LoL.
@Karnage Hmmm, the manual that came with the game didnt say any of that stuff. Im not calling you a liar or anything, its just a lot to take in.
Im pretty sure i killed a metallic dragon in pool of radiance and everyone cheered and i won the game. Totally different game i know but that was FR as well im pretty sure.
Enough! I will no longer listen to the babbling of ignorant children! I haven't the time for this! Your pathetic magics are useless. Let this end!
I've had a brief look at your comments elsewhere, both as certus and also tennisgolfballs, you aren't always so... 'difficult', so perhaps it is partly my fault that I goaded you into such a response.
This disturbance is over! We shall not meet again. (In this thread at least).
certus/tennisgolfball: "Even if I fall, my accounts are many! You will be overwhelmed!"
@Karnage Hmmm, the manual that came with the game didnt say any of that stuff. Im not calling you a liar or anything, its just a lot to take in.
Im pretty sure i killed a metallic dragon in pool of radiance and everyone cheered and i won the game. Totally different game i know but that was FR as well im pretty sure.
Anyway thanks for your help
In Pool of Radiance that was a good Dragon possesed by an evil spirit ("Tyranthraxus"). Metal dragons are all good aligned, and ordinarily would by allies (or at worst, indifferent) towards a good aligned party. Color named dragons are always evil. At one point (1E, "Fiend Folio") there were also Gem dragons that were neutral in alignment; but I don't believe they ever officially made the transition to 2E.
Ive never been able to go through the game with Keldorn, hes problematic on so many levels. I personally take great joy in killing drizzt in each and every one of my playthroughs, I like Viconia, Dorn, Hexxat and use them regularly, all of whom hell end up attacking.
No flaming but I've got a feeling you don't pay any attention to the story in the game you're currently playing. I did not play Pool of Radiance, but I am pretty sure I would know why I am killing the final boss.
"Hey you there, there is great evil coming, in order to stop it you have to go and slay a metallic dragon!" "Aren't metallic dragon's righteous and noble creatures?" "Worry not about things like this pal, u takin' the job or not?"
Ok antagonist, I will answer your question with a question and then I will decide wether you are worthy of the answer. Not many people have played pool of radiance so far as I know, even fewer have probably completed it, it being on a C128 if I remember correctly (I'm quite sure a lot of people would have got lost in a maze on a certain level, I know I did)
Not only would it be a massive spoiler, in some ways it demeans a rite of passage.
Do you believe tennisgoofball and myself to be one and the same person?
Yeah I googled Pool of Radiance earlier and checked both versions, the 2001 remake seemed pretty lame, but the 1988 C128 game looks hardcore, I wonder if I'd still have the willpower to get through that kind of game.
Im pretty sure i killed a metallic dragon in pool of radiance and everyone cheered and i won the game. Totally different game i know but that was FR as well im pretty sure.
So I felt a bit like you're totally ignoring the game's storyline, especially that it's not a... well.. modern pathetic attempt to deceive you into thinking you're playing a Role Playing Game, and as such it would seem quite hard not to know what's going on there.
2. I have no interest in further quarrel over the whole doppelganger paranoia 3. Okay, I admit there was a point when I actually thought it might be true, mainly because you were the only two people here to share same opinions (which from my point of view were total bullshit. Mostly.), the whole discussion was already on a pathetic low level and I think it's safe to assume most of us had already met such a situation(multi-account trolling) at some point of our life. I DON'T KNOW, NOR DO I CARE. But ignorant statements like:
If I play D&D i want to go into a dungeon and kill a dragon. Paladins kill dragons. There even a class for that, cavalier. So please stop with the hate.
really give me a headache. The whole discussion was referring to killing a good aligned dragon, you knew about it.
Seriously though, this whole thread gave so much laughter I will remember it for quite a time I think.
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LOL
Korgan is my favorite npc in any game ive played. He still makes me laugh.
Aye the dwarf will have to do it.
And later i'll split yer gut open, heh heh
He finally found his home along with his other kind at Durlags Tower, and with it, a sense of peace, free from remorse for his past questionable actions.
Though he met his end ingloriously, by the hands of Durlag himself no less, legends speak of a faint glow from the basement of that famous tower, of a whisper which were believed to be his last words.....Cernd, I did it for the lo....
One thing that is lacking in computer games, and likely always will be (due to the complexity of programming that would be required) is bona fide role playing. BG and the Infinity Engine do a pretty good job, but still remains imperfect.
* I agree with your point on Viconia. Keldorn should be opposed to this; the scenario played out was a witch hunt, not a lawful trial.
* Paladins and the like do have a belief in redemption and atonement. Drizzt is redeemed by his many acts of good works and turning has back on the ways of the Drow.
* The slaughter of the knights in Windspear Hills was by outside influence. A Paladin would be dishonored by taking part in this carnage, but this would not be without redemption as outside influences were at stake.
* It is an evil act to seek someone's demise for your own self-gain.
If truth be known, any Ranger or good-aligned character should also turn against a character who decides it's a good idea to kill a Drizzt: Minsc, Valygar, Anomen (if he passed his test and is Lawful Good), Nalia, Imoen -- all of these good-aligned characters should stand against this act. Even Edwin, "Lawful Evil", could reasonably stand against you. (The "evil" part of this wouldn't bother him, but the act is also "chaotic", and even though "evil" a "Lawful Evil" believes that there must be order).
Korgan (Chaotic Evil) and Jan (Chaotic Neutral) are the only 2 I can think of off the top of my head who could possibly (according to alignment and role playing) back this decision. And maybe ... maybe the neutrals, such as Jaheira and haer'Dalis.
So, honestly, from the perspective of a veteran D&D player, I don't understand your complaint that Keldorn stands against you in this choice as I am disappointed that other good-aligned characters will stick by the protagonist when committing evil acts.
'tis a ranger that has tripped and can't get up. He dropped his spellbook when he took the tumble and therefore can cast no arcane spells, nor perform ranger special abilities, such as offensive spin and quivering palm
Rangers are expected to be of good alignment and they are expected to be protectors of the natural world. By committing acts that act against goodness and nature, they defy their mythos, and by doing so, lose the grace of their diety.
With Rangers, Paladins and Cleric/Priests, your spells and abilities are granted to you by your diety. If you act against your diety's mythos, your diety will remove those divinely-granted powers.
@booinyoureyes:
Neither, as there would be no evil act involved in this chaos. But, as it is chaos, each playing their own game by their own rules, a Paladin (or any creature of LAWFUL alignment; be it LAWFUL GOOD, LAWFUL NEUTRAL or LAWFUL EVIL) would each set out to get Cernd and this Ranger/Cleric playing the same game by the same rules.
Now, if Cernd was fighting for his life against a Ranger/Cleric, Keldorn would attack Cernd.
Rangers are of good alignment, and being so, Keldorn would likely be correct to assume that the Ranger/Cleric was acting as a force of good.
Cernd (being a Druid) is of Neutral alignment. And Druids act according to "balance"; in the (in Keldorn's mind) "false" belief that there must be evil for good to exist. By opposing the Ranger/Cleric, it would appear that this day, Cernd had decided to "preserve the balance" by performing an evil act or defending an evil being.
To the Lawful Good, and ESPECIALLY to the Paladin, there is no such thing as "Neutral". Go back to the Copper Coronet and Anomen: "Strangers! Are you a force of righteousness?" "There is no true good or evil. The universe is a balance of all things." "Bah! The excuse of the damned!"
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Again, the aspect of role playing is sorely lacking in computer games, but once in a while, playing a "good" creature or running around with "good" creatures then thinking you can do whatever you want to do without consequence does come to haunt you, LoL.
Im pretty sure i killed a metallic dragon in pool of radiance and everyone cheered and i won the game. Totally different game i know but that was FR as well im pretty sure.
Anyway thanks for your help
(Late to the party but had to say it.)
Seriously, I've got a question for @certus
No flaming but I've got a feeling you don't pay any attention to the story in the game you're currently playing. I did not play Pool of Radiance, but I am pretty sure I would know why I am killing the final boss.
"Hey you there, there is great evil coming, in order to stop it you have to go and slay a metallic dragon!"
"Aren't metallic dragon's righteous and noble creatures?"
"Worry not about things like this pal, u takin' the job or not?"
Not only would it be a massive spoiler, in some ways it demeans a rite of passage.
Do you believe tennisgoofball and myself to be one and the same person?
Just checked it on wiki
It was 3rd edition and i did use a sword for chaotic good that always hit and power attack. It was op, still a poor game imo
@certus As for your question...
1. Like I said, no flaming, and it just felt kinda awkward seeing this: So I felt a bit like you're totally ignoring the game's storyline, especially that it's not a... well.. modern pathetic attempt to deceive you into thinking you're playing a Role Playing Game, and as such it would seem quite hard not to know what's going on there.
2. I have no interest in further quarrel over the whole doppelganger paranoia
3. Okay, I admit there was a point when I actually thought it might be true, mainly because you were the only two people here to share same opinions (which from my point of view were total bullshit. Mostly.), the whole discussion was already on a pathetic low level and I think it's safe to assume most of us had already met such a situation(multi-account trolling) at some point of our life. I DON'T KNOW, NOR DO I CARE. But ignorant statements like: really give me a headache. The whole discussion was referring to killing a good aligned dragon, you knew about it.
Seriously though, this whole thread gave so much laughter I will remember it for quite a time I think.