That's a unfair comparison. You're comparing BG companions to the DA protagonist.
That's fair, though if we look at the first "Dragon Age" as a whole (DLC included), there's Shale, Mhairi, Sigrun and Ariane, while the second game has Aveline, Isabela and Tallis.
But it's more about general representation: there are female knights (like Loghain's lieutenant), women in every army whether it's dwarven, elven or human, etc. You just don't get that kind of equal approach in D&D worlds. Which is understandable given the differences in age, but... well, there is a lack of balance.
Being treated equally does not change the fact that a woman walking around in plate mail is pure nonsense
That depends on the game's stats. Gameplay and Story Integration and all. Women in Baldur's Gate do not have a Strenght limit lower than males. Wether they should or not seems to be the issue, but then again, both Males and Females can have a Strenght coeficient that implies a level of physical prowess that is indeed pure nonsense.
Anyway, @shawne did you see my last comment on page 1?
Being treated equally does not change the fact that a woman walking around in plate mail is pure nonsense, not to mention other factors that make women in a Middle Age military a joke. She'd have to look like a weight-lifter in order to pull that stunt off for a short amount of time.
And mages should burn their hands when they throw fireballs, and an Ogre clubbing you in the head should result in a concussion, and so on and so forth. You can't selectively apply realistic concerns just because one element makes you uncomfortable: it's either a fantasy world where the rules are different for everyone or it's a world bound by our own conventions, in which case spiders can't be the size of houses because they breathe through tracheal tubes that can't be longer than an inch or oxygen would never reach their blood.
Why do these conversations always have to go too far. All I was asking is how many people are male vs. female on the board and if we could get more in-depth stories with the female characters. There is no need to start flinging mud.
Why do these conversations always have to go too far. All I was asking is how many people are male vs. female on the board and if we could get more in-depth stories with the female characters. There is no need to start flinging mud.
Why do these conversations always have to go too far. All I was asking is how many people are male vs. female on the board and if we could get more in-depth stories with the female characters. There is no need to start flinging mud.
Don't be silly, there's no flaming here.
Just a whole list of posts that claim women are weak fragile creatures that have no place being on a battlefield. The tone of where this thread went could do with some serious improvement.
Why do these conversations always have to go too far. All I was asking is how many people are male vs. female on the board and if we could get more in-depth stories with the female characters. There is no need to start flinging mud.
Don't be silly, there's no flaming here.
Just a whole list of posts that claim women are weak fragile creatures that have no place being on a battlefield. The tone of where this thread went could do with some serious improvement.
I'd take that guy's post and convert it from 'women are physically weaker than men and, therefore, they are the lesser melee combatant' (a not entirely unreasonable position) into a actual flaming comment that you can see in less fortunate threads. But then I'd be banned.
@Aliteri is absolutely correct: we're having a nice, civil discussion about gender roles in fantasy. May not have been where the conversation started, but let's go with it and see what happens!
All this because Shar Teel was called a stereotyped character. It may be, but only because strong woman tend to be scorned by man, therefore hate them, quite usual. There are strong woman take a look at this one: http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/thumbnailfull/yuliya-kalina-2009-11-23-8-13-55.jpg Just, a guy who trained as much will do better. Strenght requires muscle and body mass, as long as a creature has it, the sex does not matter.
I've never understood applying the argument that generally a woman will not be as strong as a man to D&D. In the real world women who train hard can attain great strength and PCs in D&D are demigods in terms of stats. We're talking heros not NPCs here. There isn't sexism in Faerun full stop, at least in terms of professions, so that should be the end of the discussion.
Seriously though, It's not exactly a stretch to say the majority of gamers are male. The rpg and fantasy genres tend to attract a greater percentage of female gamers that other genres though- just from my experience.
Why do these conversations always have to go too far. All I was asking is how many people are male vs. female on the board and if we could get more in-depth stories with the female characters. There is no need to start flinging mud.
Don't be silly, there's no flaming here.
Just a whole list of posts that claim women are weak fragile creatures that have no place being on a battlefield. The tone of where this thread went could do with some serious improvement.
I agree with @Drugar. 'll I've seen from that Maciak87 guy thus far is that he tends to be rather provocative in his attitude and narrow-minded in his opinions. So being a woman automatically degrades me to a fate of just bearing kids and deal with chores? Come on, that's a Medieval mindset. Women might indeed seem to be less physically strong, but with hard training they can equal a man's capacities. Just look at the Olympic Games airing on TV right now. Quite some muscular strong and fit women participating, ain't it? The whole 'women can't join the army because so and so' is based on the biased thought that women need to tend to the kids at home and are deemed useless on the battlefield, that war is a man's matter and not a woman's. It's got to do with ages-old socio-cultural thought patterns and role models in Western societies. Thanks God there slowly is coming change in all of that.
As for women in army the main reason don't seem to be due to their lesser muscle mass but for the effect they have on the men around them. Dying or hurt women tend to mess up morale and make men ignore orders and their own safety.
I agree with @Drugar. 'll I've seen from that Maciak87 guy thus far is that he tends to be rather provocative in his attitude and narrow-minded in his opinions. So being a woman automatically degrades me to a fate of just bearing kids and deal with chores?
@razor ever hear the song too many dix on the dance floor... Totally BGForum disco dude!
Tell the fellahs, make it understood, it aint no good if theres too much wood! Just Make sure, before you go, you know the bro/hoe dance floor ratio! There's Adam, Steve and Marty. Billy, tad and dony, on leave from the Army, the only boobs we'll see tonight'll be made of oragami!
I never liked the fact that they gave Jaheira a 14 strength. It made me waste extra points on strength because I felt I at least needed to be significantly stronger than a half-elf female. I think they were way too generous with strenght for a number of the female characters.
Interesting that there the male percentage is 90% here. I guess PocketPlaneGroup had a unusually high percentage of female forum members - I thought it was just a weird Baldur's Gate phenomenom. However that could be because the site is heavily based on NPC mods of which a large portion had female designers/modders/contributors.
I never liked the fact that they gave Jaheira a 14 strength. It made me waste extra points on strength because I felt I at least needed to be significantly stronger than a half-elf female. I think they were way too generous with strenght for a number of the female characters.
...I really hope you're joking. Please be joking. I don't know if my faith in humanity can take it.
I never liked the fact that they gave Jaheira a 14 strength. It made me waste extra points on strength because I felt I at least needed to be significantly stronger than a half-elf female. I think they were way too generous with strenght for a number of the female characters.
You could always put the belt of masculinity/femininity on Jaheira and turn her into a man. That way you wouldn't have to feel threatened by her awesome STR 14.
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But it's more about general representation: there are female knights (like Loghain's lieutenant), women in every army whether it's dwarven, elven or human, etc. You just don't get that kind of equal approach in D&D worlds. Which is understandable given the differences in age, but... well, there is a lack of balance.
Anyway, @shawne did you see my last comment on page 1?
Because it is a bait and nothing more, by someone who has learned to do it well.
But since we can learn as well, we won't take the bait this time.
There are strong woman take a look at this one: http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/thumbnailfull/yuliya-kalina-2009-11-23-8-13-55.jpg
Just, a guy who trained as much will do better. Strenght requires muscle and body mass, as long as a creature has it, the sex does not matter.
Yes, we are aware that in the real world the common woman isn't as physically strong as the common man.
Seriously though, It's not exactly a stretch to say the majority of gamers are male.
The rpg and fantasy genres tend to attract a greater percentage of female gamers that other genres though- just from my experience.
As for women in army the main reason don't seem to be due to their lesser muscle mass but for the effect they have on the men around them. Dying or hurt women tend to mess up morale and make men ignore orders and their own safety.
Tell the fellahs, make it understood, it aint no good if theres too much wood! Just Make sure, before you go, you know the bro/hoe dance floor ratio! There's Adam, Steve and Marty. Billy, tad and dony, on leave from the Army, the only boobs we'll see tonight'll be made of oragami!
Too many Dix on the dance floor!!!