@Loub, wow - I'm speechless. I never actually expected anyone to provide such a detailed and factual answer to my whimsical question. Once again I leave this thread with an enlightened mind and an amended lore score.
OK everyone. That is enough of that line of discussion. Remember that this is a PG-13 forum and too much talk about sex is against the rules. This has become too much. Lets get back on topic.
If Grael (the greater ghoul in Durlag's Tower) is actually guarding the remains of Durlag like he says, then where are said remains? I can't see them...
If Grael (the greater ghoul in Durlag's Tower) is actually guarding the remains of Durlag like he says, then where are said remains? I can't see them...
If Grael (the greater ghoul in Durlag's Tower) is actually guarding the remains of Durlag like he says, then where are said remains? I can't see them...
Actually, HE IS DURLAG! But yeah, Ghoulified of course.
If Grael (the greater ghoul in Durlag's Tower) is actually guarding the remains of Durlag like he says, then where are said remains? I can't see them...
On a real no-jokingly thing I suppose: it could be that Durlag's remains were kept in the place you need the Wardstone that ghoul carries.
Ghouls eat dead people... Do I have to say anything else?
I eat dead animals... am I a ghoul?
On the term 'ghoul', from what I've studied in literature:
Etymologically, it comes from the Gul fairytale of the region that is known today as 'Iran', which was derived from the fact that there were a lot of graverobbers in ancient times, and as such they created an allegorical figure of a spirit who ate the bodies of the dead as a way of explaining why bodies kept disappearing - the graverobbers stole the corpses not only for their valuables such as jewelry, but also for their fat, flesh, bones and hair - which had numerous uses in making things such as bonemeal, lamp oil, ritualistic paraphernalia and 'medicine'. Due to the overall dearthful state of the people in relation to their rulers, they had to overlook certain sinistries to make sure the population wouldn't be driven to worse things, plus, a lot of the spoils from graverobbery were valuable for the noblemen, and they were no worse than those crafted from animals, but much cheaper due to the fact that Persia was not a very prosperous land for farming, so hiding where they came from for the noblemen as well as keeping people from panicking over such sinistries proved this legend to be a valuable social construct for the preservation of order in ancient Persia.
Eventually, the 'ghoul' term extended not only to the fey and graverobbers, but also to anyone with a morbid fascination - there was even a literary movement driven by those 'ghouls': it's called 'symbolism' - its authors were often bourgeois men from highly religious backgrounds who became obsessed with death and the supposed afterlife, as well as related subjects such as decay, ruin and disease. They often gathered around cemeteries and the like, and due to their obsession with death often died young from common diseases such as typhoid which tainted the air, ground and water of such dwellings. Not that they minded though, a lot of them wrote poems about getting their 'wonderful' turn at perishing.
Why are you dragged to hell when you kill Irenicus but Imoen isn't dragged to hell when she kills Bodhi?
Hell in DnD is not usually a place where dead souls go unless they have some sort of pact with Baatezu, which Irenicus procured in order to boost his power - since he had no soul, once he gained one it would automatically be the possession of some infernal lord once he died, in this case, yours. Generally speaking, no matter how perfid you were in life, you would end up in your god's plane as a soul which would slowly become part of the plane itself as their servants. This was not the case for the faithless such as Bodhi- their souls would go to the wall of the faithless in the fugue plane under the dominion of Kelemvor, where you would forever suffer for simply not worshipping a god - your body would slowly dissolve until you became another formless mound of flesh in the wall and your mind would slowly wither until you no longer had a sense of self.
@Loub Actually, you end up in whatever plane your alignment is. Lawful Evil - Nine Hells Chaotic Evil - Abyss Lawful Good - Celestia etc etc
Bhaal was Lawful Evil, so his "soul" was destined to go to the Nine Hells. Since Bhaalspawn have part of his soul, that's what their souls will go.
When Irenicus stole CHARNAME's soul, the soul was drawn by default to the Nine Hells when he died. But since it also tried to return to it's original owner, it dragged both Irenicus and Charname into the hells.
Perhaps this violent act of a soul struggling to both return to it's owner and go to Hell (quite literally) caused a local area of effect, dragging the whole party into it.
That's one reason why the Solar at the end, tells you that if you give up the taint, you will be free to make your own destiny.
That's not true. Souls in the Forgotten Realms go to the Realm their God has their home in, unless they've sold their soul (in which they'll end up in the Nine Hells, Gehenna, or the Abyss, depending on the fiend), or they're one of the faithless or false (in which they stay in the Gray Waste with Kelemevor). Bhaal, while being Lawful Evil, did not have his Throne of Blood in the Nine Hells. His Realm was Gehenna. A Lawful Neutral worshipper of Bhaal would end up in Gehenna as well as his Lawful Evil and Neutral Evil worshippers, when Bhaal was alive.
And Sarevok very specifically went to the Abyss.
When you first fight Irenicus, the Throne of Bhaal is in the Nine Hells, according to your companions comments. However, once you enter ToB, you're in the same Throne of Bhaal in the Abyss. I asked David Gaider on the old message boards why that was, once, and he said the Nine Hells thing was a mistake, and they used the Abyss because it's more well known then Gehenna.
Imoen's belt is actually a MINHP1 item, which protects her from being killed since she is so essential to the plot. It was removed for her second meeting so she wouldn't be invincible when she joins the party.
Imoen's belt is actually a MINHP1 item, which protects her from being killed since she is so essential to the plot. It was removed for her second meeting so she wouldn't be invincible when she joins the party.
Damn, gee, man, that's creepy! That old pervert, Irenicus' touch, can cherry pop belts, now?!?
I always wondered where Viconia went after Charname's rise to Godhood that ended their tempestuous relationship. She seems to have set up a business in fantasy board games, but she's obviously been drawing from her own experiences:
Where Nalia went after Charname's rise to Godhood?
Well, everyone knows Nalia likes to help ordinary people. This is why after she completed her adventure with a Bhaalspawn, she has opened a shop for the commoners:
P.S. It seems that after ToB her character has changed a bit, looking at those prices....
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If you check this hotels site http://www.winthropinn.com/ it becomes clear it's as clean as an Elven arse.
But yeah, Ghoulified
you just blew my mind, man
Etymologically, it comes from the Gul fairytale of the region that is known today as 'Iran', which was derived from the fact that there were a lot of graverobbers in ancient times, and as such they created an allegorical figure of a spirit who ate the bodies of the dead as a way of explaining why bodies kept disappearing - the graverobbers stole the corpses not only for their valuables such as jewelry, but also for their fat, flesh, bones and hair - which had numerous uses in making things such as bonemeal, lamp oil, ritualistic paraphernalia and 'medicine'. Due to the overall dearthful state of the people in relation to their rulers, they had to overlook certain sinistries to make sure the population wouldn't be driven to worse things, plus, a lot of the spoils from graverobbery were valuable for the noblemen, and they were no worse than those crafted from animals, but much cheaper due to the fact that Persia was not a very prosperous land for farming, so hiding where they came from for the noblemen as well as keeping people from panicking over such sinistries proved this legend to be a valuable social construct for the preservation of order in ancient Persia.
Eventually, the 'ghoul' term extended not only to the fey and graverobbers, but also to anyone with a morbid fascination - there was even a literary movement driven by those 'ghouls': it's called 'symbolism' - its authors were often bourgeois men from highly religious backgrounds who became obsessed with death and the supposed afterlife, as well as related subjects such as decay, ruin and disease. They often gathered around cemeteries and the like, and due to their obsession with death often died young from common diseases such as typhoid which tainted the air, ground and water of such dwellings. Not that they minded though, a lot of them wrote poems about getting their 'wonderful' turn at perishing.
Generally speaking, no matter how perfid you were in life, you would end up in your god's plane as a soul which would slowly become part of the plane itself as their servants. This was not the case for the faithless such as Bodhi- their souls would go to the wall of the faithless in the fugue plane under the dominion of Kelemvor, where you would forever suffer for simply not worshipping a god - your body would slowly dissolve until you became another formless mound of flesh in the wall and your mind would slowly wither until you no longer had a sense of self.
Lawful Evil - Nine Hells
Chaotic Evil - Abyss
Lawful Good - Celestia
etc etc
Bhaal was Lawful Evil, so his "soul" was destined to go to the Nine Hells. Since Bhaalspawn have part of his soul, that's what their souls will go.
When Irenicus stole CHARNAME's soul, the soul was drawn by default to the Nine Hells when he died. But since it also tried to return to it's original owner, it dragged both Irenicus and Charname into the hells.
Perhaps this violent act of a soul struggling to both return to it's owner and go to Hell (quite literally) caused a local area of effect, dragging the whole party into it.
That's one reason why the Solar at the end, tells you that if you give up the taint, you will be free to make your own destiny.
That's not true. Souls in the Forgotten Realms go to the Realm their God has their home in, unless they've sold their soul (in which they'll end up in the Nine Hells, Gehenna, or the Abyss, depending on the fiend), or they're one of the faithless or false (in which they stay in the Gray Waste with Kelemevor). Bhaal, while being Lawful Evil, did not have his Throne of Blood in the Nine Hells. His Realm was Gehenna. A Lawful Neutral worshipper of Bhaal would end up in Gehenna as well as his Lawful Evil and Neutral Evil worshippers, when Bhaal was alive.
And Sarevok very specifically went to the Abyss.
When you first fight Irenicus, the Throne of Bhaal is in the Nine Hells, according to your companions comments. However, once you enter ToB, you're in the same Throne of Bhaal in the Abyss. I asked David Gaider on the old message boards why that was, once, and he said the Nine Hells thing was a mistake, and they used the Abyss because it's more well known then Gehenna.
After Irenicus "touched"... Imoen... Just WHERE exactly did her UNREMOVABLE belt, disappear to...?
'o'
And after all that, why didn't we get a canon, legit, Imoen romance path...?
Where Nalia went after Charname's rise to Godhood?
Well, everyone knows Nalia likes to help ordinary people. This is why after she completed her adventure with a Bhaalspawn, she has opened a shop for the commoners:
P.S. It seems that after ToB her character has changed a bit, looking at those prices....