O'Reilly pressed Trump on his statement, saying, "But he's a killer though. Putin's a killer."
"There are a lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. What, you think our country is so innocent?" Trump responded.
So Trump's joining the far left now?
The only party Trump is part of is the Pro-Donald Trump party. Since he chose to be Republican, he's been pandering to evangelicals, 80% of which went for the Casino owner, divorcee, philanderer by 80%, and the alt-right. Since those two groups really love him, and that's what he mostly wants, he's going all out for those two groups seemingly.
I wouldn't put it past Trump to try to pull a Roosevelt and attempt to talk his way into a third term.
Remember, the rules don't apply to him in his altered reality.
Worth pointing out this was totally legal when Roosevelt had 4 terms. The constitution was amended to prevent it in the future. It's also no surprise he got elected 4 times. He pulled the country out of the depression and led it to victory in WW2. Trump couldn't lead anyone to an ice cream truck. Well, I guess that isn't true. He's led alot of people to a very dark place.
If I remember correctly it was Roosevelt himself who pushed for the two term limit, having decided in his final term that he had been in the job too long.
But any amendment can be repealed, and I'm sure that's the Trump plan. NB Julius Caesar changed the rules to alow him to stay in office much longer than his official tenure.
Of course Caeser was eventually knifed in the back by his allies, and Trump is no Caeser. I doubt he will last to the end of his first term.
Wow, you'd think that nobody voted for Trump if you read this thread. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view) there are a lot of people who don't agree. Don't be so sure about all the predictions of Trump imploding. Even if he didn't win the popular vote, still close to half the voters have points of view different from the ones reflected in the majority here. Instead of villifying those people perhaps it's time to see things from their way of thinking and address what's pissed them off. The left has been pushing too hard for years and this is the inevitable pushback. Next time pick a better candidate than Hillary. She is the sole reason I voted for Trump. I would not have voted for Jeb so don't think I'm a Republican groupie...
Hillary has the charisma of a garden gnome and carries more baggage than the pack of mules lugging my hundreds of thousands of gold pieces around Amn. Just sayin'...
A lot of people voted for Trump simply because they felt they had no investment in the status quo: "if no one is going to do anything to stop my life sucking then I'm going to wreck it for everyone".
A lot of people voted for Trump simply because they felt they had no investment in the status quo: "if no one is going to do anything to stop my life sucking then I'm going to wreck it for everyone".
Wreck it for everyone, well... Mission accomplished.
Now he's implementing policies to screw over anyone who's not a rich evangelical white guy. He's pro-wall street beyond anything that's ever been seen before. He's antienvironment which affects us all and pro-big oil. He's trying to screw over American kids by ruining the education system with Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Betsy Devos. President Bannon is preparing all the executive orders because Trump's barely literate. Among other areas of concern, his cabinet picks and the emboldened GOP legislature have their eyes on Medicare and social security - they want to privatize it so they can play with the money and you don't get it. His cabal of men are legislating control of women's bodies and he's packing the courts to do so for the next few decades. And of course there's the anti-immigrant stuff.
The only people benefiting are Wall Street, big oil and evangelicals near as I can see.
@Balrog99: I've been watching this thread daily since the election, and personal attacks against Trump supporters (or anyone, really) have actually been rather scant. There are, of course, plenty of attacks against Trump himself, and Clinton, and lots of other politicians, but the Site Rules only forbid attacks against your fellow forumites; not public figures.
If you do see personal attacks, though, please report them, and we'll handle the issue in private. That's what the moderators are here for.
Personally, I don't think the left has been pushing that hard on any particular subject. I can give examples of ideas I think were too far to the left, but those ideas are just that--ideas, and words. I can't actually think of any far-left policies or laws that Democratic politicians have passed in my lifetime. In fact, I've seen Obama himself support conservative policies:
1. Rather than adopt the single-payer policy that Democrats had supported for years, Obama adopted a Republican-designed program endorsed by GOP figures such as Mitt Romney.
2. Obama also maintained and increased Bush's surveillance policies, against the wishes of other liberals.
3. Obama also bailed out the banks in 2009, another policy designed by the Bush administration, against the wishes of other liberals.
4. Obama also avoided the hostile anti-male and anti-white rhetoric that you see in some far-left circles. He never demanded that people "check their privilege," or accused white people of being ignorant, or ordered them to "shut up and listen." In fact, he declared early in his term that the era of white guilt was over. He's been very much against that kind of divisive rhetoric.
5. Obama brought conservatives into his cabinet, including Robert Gates. This was the first time in American history that a U.S. president kept the Secretary of Defense of his predecessor.
6. Obama supported drone attacks that conservatives thought would help fight terrorism, and that liberals (and more recently, some conservatives) thought were government overreach.
7. Obama just a few weeks ago very harshly scolded a crowd of his own supporters and demanded that they show respect for a Trump supporter who happened to be at one of Obama's speeches. Obama has been pretty vocal about stressing political action over negative rhetoric--that is, his "Don't boo; vote" line.
@Balrog99: I've been watching this thread daily since the election, and personal attacks against Trump supporters (or anyone, really) have actually been rather scant. There are, of course, plenty of attacks against Trump himself, and Clinton, and lots of other politicians, but the Site Rules only forbid attacks against your fellow forumites; not public figures.
If you do see personal attacks, though, please report them, and we'll handle the issue in private. That's what the moderators are here for.
Personally, I don't think the left has been pushing that hard on any particular subject. I can give examples of ideas I think were too far to the left, but those ideas are just that--ideas, and words. I can't actually think of any far-left policies or laws that Democratic politicians have passed in my lifetime. In fact, I've seen Obama himself support conservative policies:
1. Rather than adopt the single-payer policy that Democrats had supported for years, Obama adopted a Republican-designed program endorsed by GOP figures such as Mitt Romney.
2. Obama also maintained and increased Bush's surveillance policies, against the wishes of other liberals.
3. Obama also bailed out the banks in 2009, another policy designed by the Bush administration, against the wishes of other liberals.
4. Obama also avoided the hostile anti-male and anti-white rhetoric that you see in some far-left circles. He never demanded that people "check their privilege," or accused white people of being ignorant, or ordered them to "shut up and listen." In fact, he declared early in his term that the era of white guilt was over. He's been very much against that kind of divisive rhetoric.
5. Obama brought conservatives into his cabinet, including Robert Gates. This was the first time in American history that a U.S. president kept the Secretary of Defense of his predecessor.
6. Obama supported drone attacks that conservatives thought would help fight terrorism, and that liberals (and more recently, some conservatives) thought were government overreach.
7. Obama just a few weeks ago very harshly scolded a crowd of his own supporters and demanded that they show respect for a Trump supporter who happened to be at one of Obama's speeches. Obama has been pretty vocal about stressing political action over negative rhetoric--that is, his "Don't boo; vote" line.
I was basically about to post something very much like this. If anything, Obama governed as a moderate conservative. The idea that he was "liberal" in any sense of the word is nonsense. I just don't know where the left has pushed on anything. Gay marriage I guess?? Yeah, we're not going backwards on that one, no matter who ends up in office. At least not without a huge fight. What we are seeing now is that having a level head and being able to stay on an even-keel may be the most important quality in a President. Obama kept his cool for eight years, despite everything that was thrown at him. In many ways, he sold out his liberal base to cater to people who were never going to vote for him in the first place. He went out of his way to be the President of everyone, to a fault. And he was still hated by the right for it.
@semiticgod: I never said there were any personal attacks. This has generally been a moderate thread. I thought by throwing those snippets out there I'd spark some comments from Trump supporters. The ideas here have been pretty monolithic of late. Seems as though there aren't any to be found however. Oh well, I tried.
As I said earlier, I did vote for the guy, but certainly not because I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not exactly surprised by anything he's done so far though.
@Balrog99: I've been watching this thread daily since the election, and personal attacks against Trump supporters (or anyone, really) have actually been rather scant. There are, of course, plenty of attacks against Trump himself, and Clinton, and lots of other politicians, but the Site Rules only forbid attacks against your fellow forumites; not public figures.
If you do see personal attacks, though, please report them, and we'll handle the issue in private. That's what the moderators are here for.
Personally, I don't think the left has been pushing that hard on any particular subject. I can give examples of ideas I think were too far to the left, but those ideas are just that--ideas, and words. I can't actually think of any far-left policies or laws that Democratic politicians have passed in my lifetime. In fact, I've seen Obama himself support conservative policies:
1. Rather than adopt the single-payer policy that Democrats had supported for years, Obama adopted a Republican-designed program endorsed by GOP figures such as Mitt Romney.
2. Obama also maintained and increased Bush's surveillance policies, against the wishes of other liberals.
3. Obama also bailed out the banks in 2009, another policy designed by the Bush administration, against the wishes of other liberals.
4. Obama also avoided the hostile anti-male and anti-white rhetoric that you see in some far-left circles. He never demanded that people "check their privilege," or accused white people of being ignorant, or ordered them to "shut up and listen." In fact, he declared early in his term that the era of white guilt was over. He's been very much against that kind of divisive rhetoric.
5. Obama brought conservatives into his cabinet, including Robert Gates. This was the first time in American history that a U.S. president kept the Secretary of Defense of his predecessor.
6. Obama supported drone attacks that conservatives thought would help fight terrorism, and that liberals (and more recently, some conservatives) thought were government overreach.
7. Obama just a few weeks ago very harshly scolded a crowd of his own supporters and demanded that they show respect for a Trump supporter who happened to be at one of Obama's speeches. Obama has been pretty vocal about stressing political action over negative rhetoric--that is, his "Don't boo; vote" line.
This is why I have always called Obama "Bush 2.0" I never disliked him because of his party affiliation, but because he continued and strengthened Most of the Bush policies that was/is opposed to.
People in the UK hate Trump. Pretty much all of them. I don't need to join the protest marches to know that. I just have to walk into the staff room where I work and listen in at any conversation. Or listen to the children's conversations for that matter.
Must be somebody paying the people in the UK including children.
Everyone apart from me! It's not fair, I always miss out on everything!
Are you not in on this? I'm getting a cheque for around 'tree fiddy' any day now!
A lot of people voted for Trump simply because they felt they had no investment in the status quo: "if no one is going to do anything to stop my life sucking then I'm going to wreck it for everyone".
The only people benefiting are Wall Street, big oil and evangelicals near as I can see.
But the people voting for Trump had seen thier standard of living continue to deteriate under years of Democratic presidents, with Clinton offering nothing other than more of same. Whilst the democratic party had blocked the only thing that might actually have helped them - socialism - from being on the ballot.
So yeah, why not screw things up for those irritating liberal chattering classes? So what if the ultra-rich get richer, that would have happened under Clinton too?
@deltago: Per the Site Rules, we would have to forbid attacks against Trump if he were to set up an account and post here. I've actually thought about that before.
@Balrog99: It would be nice if we could see some Trump supporters post here. We've had plenty of conservatives posting, especially after the election, but I think @TakisMegas and I have been the only people actually defending Trump in this thread.
If Trump was posting here, he would get himself banned within whatever the minimum amount of posts it would take to do so. Then he would take to Twitter with this post:
"@semiticgod, the very overrated moderator of the Beamdog fourms, has unfairly banned me from posting. Loser."
I've seen two commercials already during the Super Bowl that are hard to read as anything but a repudiation of Trump's immigration policies. Granted, it's basically corporate America saying don't f' with our profits, but the Budweiser and Coke commercials are impossible to see any other way.
For as much as I despise the rampant corporatism of this country, it's clear by looking at their ads on the biggest advertising event of the year how the biggest businesses in America view this country. And it's a diverse rainbow. Could big business eventually turn on Trump?? I doubt it, but they are scared of being explicitly associated with him in ANY way.
I'll defend him on Keystone. I am glad he is resurrecting it. I don't mind the buy in America parts either as long as he allows the companies to use the parts that are already made and just sitting in storage.
I won't defend him on the Muslim ban. He handled it (and is still handling it by attacking judges) very irresponsibility.
I won't defend him on the wall (waste of tax payer money and Mexico will not directly pay for it.)
I am on the fence with NAFTA. I need to see what exactly he wants to propose first.
Most of what comes out his mouth or Twitter feed I will not tolerate, however, I realize he is still a human being with thoughts and feelings so I attempt to keep the personal bashing to a minimum and stick with being critical of what he says and not who he is.
Those so far are his biggest policy moves. (Let me know if I missed one) Everything else is speculation of what his appointees might do.
I'll defend him on Keystone. I am glad he is resurrecting it. I don't mind the buy in America parts either as long as he allows the companies to use the parts that are already made and just sitting in storage.
I won't defend him on the Muslim ban. He handled it (and is still handling it by attacking judges) very irresponsibility.
I won't defend him on the wall (waste of tax payer money and Mexico will not directly pay for it.)
I am on the fence with NAFTA. I need to see what exactly he wants to propose first.
Most of what comes out his mouth or Twitter feed I will not tolerate, however, I realize he is still a human being with thoughts and feelings so I attempt to keep the personal bashing to a minimum and stick with being critical of what he says and not who he is.
Those so far are his biggest policy moves. (Let me know if I missed one) Everything else is speculation of what his appointees might do.
All that speculation is based on their records. And their records suggest they either are on the record as wanting to destroy the agencies they are being put in charge of (DeVos, Perry) or have no business running them (Ben Carson in HUD).
Unfortunately I think most real Trump groupies think D&D is the Devil's work so wouldn't visit this forum. I was just hoping to find out otherwise. I also agree with Trump about the pipeline, disagree vehemently with him about the wall and am waiting to see the results of the NAFTA and trans-Pacific pullback. I'm also curious to see if he can get more financial backing from other countries for NATO and the UN. Too many countries bitch about the US but won't pony up to replace the $$$ we spend on those institutions.
Gamers generally skew male, and men skew conservative in the U.S., so I'd expect most gaming sites to be slightly to the right. But I think the Mizhena controversy (which I strongly recommend we do not discuss in this particular thread) pushed more conservatives away from this forum than it did liberals.
@jjstraka34: I'd probably ban Trump from the forum if he was a frequent poster--not because he'd necessarily break the rules, but because I'd consider it my duty to make sure my president wasn't getting distracted from his obligations.
Unfortunately I think most real Trump groupies think D&D is the Devil's work so wouldn't visit this forum. I was just hoping to find out otherwise. I also agree with Trump about the pipeline, disagree vehemently with him about the wall and am waiting to see the results of the NAFTA and trans-Pacific pullback. I'm also curious to see if he can get more financial backing from other countries for NATO and the UN. Too many countries bitch about the US but won't pony up to replace the $$$ we spend on those institutions.
Gamers generally skew male, and men skew conservative in the U.S., so I'd expect most gaming sites to be slightly to the right. But I think the Mizhena controversy (which I strongly recommend we do not discuss in this particular thread) pushed more conservatives away from this forum than it did liberals.
The Trump groupies who like D&D already have a home. It's called the RPG Codex.
@Balrog99: It would be nice if we could see some Trump supporters post here. We've had plenty of conservatives posting, especially after the election, but I think @TakisMegas and I have been the only people actually defending Trump in this thread.
I voted for Trump specifically because I knew it would make liberals angry, and so far they've delivered in spades. They've gone as far as endorsing political violence because "its ok when we do it because we're on the Right Side of History™ you fucking Nazi." The fact that I agree with Trump on many things is a lovely two-for-one deal.
Riot, burn your own establishments and businesses, threaten, and beat others for disagreeing if you must - you're not endearing anyone to your point of view. I used to be pretty liberal too, but the recent psychosis of the left as well as their general (and intensifying) insanity after being defeated has driven me pretty far to the right. All of this unrest and hatred for anyone not like themselves because they didn't get their way.
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The only party Trump is part of is the Pro-Donald Trump party. Since he chose to be Republican, he's been pandering to evangelicals, 80% of which went for the Casino owner, divorcee, philanderer by 80%, and the alt-right. Since those two groups really love him, and that's what he mostly wants, he's going all out for those two groups seemingly.
But any amendment can be repealed, and I'm sure that's the Trump plan. NB Julius Caesar changed the rules to alow him to stay in office much longer than his official tenure.
Of course Caeser was eventually knifed in the back by his allies, and Trump is no Caeser. I doubt he will last to the end of his first term.
Now he's implementing policies to screw over anyone who's not a rich evangelical white guy. He's pro-wall street beyond anything that's ever been seen before. He's antienvironment which affects us all and pro-big oil. He's trying to screw over American kids by ruining the education system with Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Betsy Devos. President Bannon is preparing all the executive orders because Trump's barely literate. Among other areas of concern, his cabinet picks and the emboldened GOP legislature have their eyes on Medicare and social security - they want to privatize it so they can play with the money and you don't get it. His cabal of men are legislating control of women's bodies and he's packing the courts to do so for the next few decades. And of course there's the anti-immigrant stuff.
The only people benefiting are Wall Street, big oil and evangelicals near as I can see.
Different Countries video pitches to be #2 to America First. The Netherlands made the first one.
If you do see personal attacks, though, please report them, and we'll handle the issue in private. That's what the moderators are here for.
Personally, I don't think the left has been pushing that hard on any particular subject. I can give examples of ideas I think were too far to the left, but those ideas are just that--ideas, and words. I can't actually think of any far-left policies or laws that Democratic politicians have passed in my lifetime. In fact, I've seen Obama himself support conservative policies:
1. Rather than adopt the single-payer policy that Democrats had supported for years, Obama adopted a Republican-designed program endorsed by GOP figures such as Mitt Romney.
2. Obama also maintained and increased Bush's surveillance policies, against the wishes of other liberals.
3. Obama also bailed out the banks in 2009, another policy designed by the Bush administration, against the wishes of other liberals.
4. Obama also avoided the hostile anti-male and anti-white rhetoric that you see in some far-left circles. He never demanded that people "check their privilege," or accused white people of being ignorant, or ordered them to "shut up and listen." In fact, he declared early in his term that the era of white guilt was over. He's been very much against that kind of divisive rhetoric.
5. Obama brought conservatives into his cabinet, including Robert Gates. This was the first time in American history that a U.S. president kept the Secretary of Defense of his predecessor.
6. Obama supported drone attacks that conservatives thought would help fight terrorism, and that liberals (and more recently, some conservatives) thought were government overreach.
7. Obama just a few weeks ago very harshly scolded a crowd of his own supporters and demanded that they show respect for a Trump supporter who happened to be at one of Obama's speeches. Obama has been pretty vocal about stressing political action over negative rhetoric--that is, his "Don't boo; vote" line.
As I said earlier, I did vote for the guy, but certainly not because I think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm not exactly surprised by anything he's done so far though.
So yeah, why not screw things up for those irritating liberal chattering classes? So what if the ultra-rich get richer, that would have happened under Clinton too?
If Donald J Trump made an account here, would the personal attacks against him have to stop?
"@semiticgod, the very overrated moderator of the Beamdog fourms, has unfairly banned me from posting. Loser."
For as much as I despise the rampant corporatism of this country, it's clear by looking at their ads on the biggest advertising event of the year how the biggest businesses in America view this country. And it's a diverse rainbow. Could big business eventually turn on Trump?? I doubt it, but they are scared of being explicitly associated with him in ANY way.
I won't defend him on the Muslim ban. He handled it (and is still handling it by attacking judges) very irresponsibility.
I won't defend him on the wall (waste of tax payer money and Mexico will not directly pay for it.)
I am on the fence with NAFTA. I need to see what exactly he wants to propose first.
Most of what comes out his mouth or Twitter feed I will not tolerate, however, I realize he is still a human being with thoughts and feelings so I attempt to keep the personal bashing to a minimum and stick with being critical of what he says and not who he is.
Those so far are his biggest policy moves. (Let me know if I missed one) Everything else is speculation of what his appointees might do.
Riot, burn your own establishments and businesses, threaten, and beat others for disagreeing if you must - you're not endearing anyone to your point of view. I used to be pretty liberal too, but the recent psychosis of the left as well as their general (and intensifying) insanity after being defeated has driven me pretty far to the right. All of this unrest and hatred for anyone not like themselves because they didn't get their way.