I would beg to differ. There is maybe one dialogue that feels a bit repetitive between the two, but otherwise they work quite well together due to the different timing of talks (Friendship relies on event triggers, Romance on a timer). Her personality may come across as a bit less angsty in the Friendship mod, but honestly if you weren't aware of it being two different mods you'd just put that down to her trying to cope.
By the way, I'd also very much recommend installing the Imoen Romance to anyone, regardless of whether you envision a sexual relationship between Charname and Imoen. The name of the mod is a holdover from ye olden days, while the vast majority of the actual content is absolutely appropriate for a strong sibling relationship as well, especially the ToB part. While the mod assumes some sort of vague initial attraction between the characters, the option is supported to write that off as a PT(I?)SD symptom, and after one conversation it won't come up again.
the issue i would see with using the mods together mostly comes from tob. as they both have talks after each of the challenges which could break something. and they are written very differently.
edit: ok i was somewhat wrong. it was only the first and 3rd test she has a dialogue for. i should really test to see if these mods can be used together.
Huh, upon checking the code it seems you're right. I never experienced them as discordant, but can't exactly say why. Maybe it's because the Friendship talks happen immediately after, while the Romance talks usually come with a delay? I'll have to replay and keep an eye on that.
That being said, I should also add that if you *do* play the mod with a romance in mind, I like the way in which it links the taboo-breaking of the incest topic to the similar theme of being less-than-lawful-good Bhaalspawn outcasts of society. It's a very nice us-against-the-world that works great if you're a fan of the more morally ambiguous aspects of the story. It really allows an increasingly jaded or amoral character to find their voice, seeing as the dialogue options given to "corrupt" Imoen are actually quite convincing (so convincing that I feel the need to put scare quotes around "corrupt" ). Oh, and it shares a pedestal with the Xan mod for the most dramaturgically satisfying ending to the game.
like i said everything expect the challenge talks are on a timer. so i still see having both would break both of their talks after the first and 3rd.
really i was never a fan of the friendship mod's interpretation of imoen. something just did not click right to me. on the other hand i really like the talks she has in the romance and tend to see it as the better mod as it adds other things to imoen like interjections.
and the tob portion really shows she is just as important as charname in the grand scheme of things not just another party member.
this may be due to having imoen's retrospective dialog installed in iep banter pack. which is recommended not to be installed as it breaks imoen's romance.
Well... I know there's 3 dream sequences after the standard 3 that must (I think?) be completed before saving Imoen for the romance to continue. But I've also heard that Imoen comments on a lot of locations, so maybe it's a both-and type of thing?
You can progress to spellhold after the second dream sequence from the mod. I believe most of the content is based around the remainder of the story line. As was mentioned, there is comments from Imoen at some locations, but they aren't core to the story of the mod. At least that's what I recall.
If you want to maximise time with Imoen, Id suggest doing the core story line quest (picking a side), as well as exploring some of the more sideline stuff like the sewers, and avoid the big pay-off missions (usually 10k gp).
A tip for faster dream sequences, make sure to rest often, as that is what triggers them, as well as taking your time to do the core mission stuff. Do one part, rest, then the next.
her romance is also on a timer. the event that cements the romances however was changed to not be on a timer however but i do believe you need to get the rest of her talks before chapter 7 or her romance will break.
or i said something wrong and that was what broke it i do know it somehow ended for me before tob.
The 'cementing' scene as you put it, requires specific dialogue talks, and are much less obvious than the vanilla romance. If you make it to the second scene after leaving you know where, I'm pretty sure you'll have the correct path open to you.
i think the 2 you get in the dungeon don't efftect the romance. they are basically friendship talks. i think was makes the romance start is seeing the dreams.
That's correct. The two talks in the dungeon, and the 3rd dream are not compulsory for the romance part to start.
I'm looking to setup a new location for discussion like the old forum. Unfortunately the host changed configuration, and restoring it would be a big pain. Hopefully we can get the guide parts to put in the new location. Taking suggestions of where to put it. Hoping somewhere like shs or g3.
i remember shs being very negative about the mod. but that was prior to the rewrite so thier minds may have changed since then. g3 may be the better bet.
Got another question: does imoen romance change according to your alignment? I'm planning to do another evil playthrough and I was wondering if there are two paths or just one path (always the same dialogues) with different ending.
You can influence Imoen quite a lot I believe. I don't know specifically the romance path, but the friendship path you can discuss experiances with the lineage yes. I believe there was over 10 (15 maybe?) epilogues written, varying based on decisions made and dialogue options taken.
Regarding the host location, the download would be hosted on the website, just the discussion elsewhere, though we have the option to host the guides on the website too.
I'm not getting into detail but I currently do not recommend applying for SHS hosting.
SHS has the same problem as PPG: no team of all-powerful admins but one admin-in-arms (which is actually more than PPG has currently) who has a RL as well, an outdated forum software, and lots of outdated mods (and no manpower to update them all in a timely fashion).
You can do the shadow thieves big quest, since either way it won't be available when you get back, and will get you a good chunk of gold for the costs.
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By the way, I'd also very much recommend installing the Imoen Romance to anyone, regardless of whether you envision a sexual relationship between Charname and Imoen. The name of the mod is a holdover from ye olden days, while the vast majority of the actual content is absolutely appropriate for a strong sibling relationship as well, especially the ToB part. While the mod assumes some sort of vague initial attraction between the characters, the option is supported to write that off as a PT(I?)SD symptom, and after one conversation it won't come up again.
edit: ok i was somewhat wrong. it was only the first and 3rd test she has a dialogue for. i should really test to see if these mods can be used together.
That being said, I should also add that if you *do* play the mod with a romance in mind, I like the way in which it links the taboo-breaking of the incest topic to the similar theme of being less-than-lawful-good Bhaalspawn outcasts of society. It's a very nice us-against-the-world that works great if you're a fan of the more morally ambiguous aspects of the story. It really allows an increasingly jaded or amoral character to find their voice, seeing as the dialogue options given to "corrupt" Imoen are actually quite convincing (so convincing that I feel the need to put scare quotes around "corrupt"
really i was never a fan of the friendship mod's interpretation of imoen. something just did not click right to me. on the other hand i really like the talks she has in the romance and tend to see it as the better mod as it adds other things to imoen like interjections.
and the tob portion really shows she is just as important as charname in the grand scheme of things not just another party member.
http://baldursextendedworld.com/Vanilla_Forums/discussion/308/imoen-continually-initiates-dialogue-with-player-character-not-sure-if-bug-or#latest
2) Got a question about the content of the romance: is it possible to have Imoen as an evil charname? I saw some 'scenarios'
and I'm not exactly sure that I
If you want to maximise time with Imoen, Id suggest doing the core story line quest (picking a side), as well as exploring some of the more sideline stuff like the sewers, and avoid the big pay-off missions (usually 10k gp).
A tip for faster dream sequences, make sure to rest often, as that is what triggers them, as well as taking your time to do the core mission stuff. Do one part, rest, then the next.
or i said something wrong and that was what broke it i do know it somehow ended for me before tob.
Because I'm planning to use dungeon be gone by Argent77
I'm looking to setup a new location for discussion like the old forum. Unfortunately the host changed configuration, and restoring it would be a big pain. Hopefully we can get the guide parts to put in the new location. Taking suggestions of where to put it. Hoping somewhere like shs or g3.
Regarding the host location, the download would be hosted on the website, just the discussion elsewhere, though we have the option to host the guides on the website too.
Since G3 moved it didn't and shouldn't be down as much, and not together with SHS anyway.
SHS has the same problem as PPG: no team of all-powerful admins but one admin-in-arms (which is actually more than PPG has currently) who has a RL as well, an outdated forum software, and lots of outdated mods (and no manpower to update them all in a timely fashion).
> Help Jaheira against Baron Ployer -> got 3k
> Help Hendak against Lehtinan
> Free Xzar
Let's hope it will turn out to be enough.