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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 15,741
    Yea I was referring to the spell :)

    Aerakar
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 1,945
    Artona said:

    There is no reason for BG1 companions to show up in BG - with exception of Imoen and Ajantis. It's silly that suddenly bunch of people from Baldur's Gate and it's surroundings randomly decided to journey south - just in time to meet Charname. Faldorn, Safana, Coran, Montaro, Xzar, Tiax, Quayle... C'mon.
    The same with "canon party". Irenicus had no reason to imprison Jaheira and Minsc, instead of simply killing them.
    Is there any mod that *removes* BG1 NPCs from SoA?


    If you don't like them, just ignore them.

    Balrog99
  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 963


    If you don't like them, just ignore them.

    Thanks for advice, but I'd rather install a mod, if there is one. :)

  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 963
    @UnderstandMouseMagic - this is reasonable head-cannon IMO, but sheer number of returning companions makes entire thing too convienent for my liking. I can see, let's say, Safana, Coran and Edwin visiting Alkathla becaues of reasons you mentioned, but there we have host of other people. It hurts my suspension of disbelief.

    Kurona
  • ZaramMaldovarZaramMaldovar Member Posts: 1,680
    @Artona
    Siege of Dragonspear helps explain (although it really didn't need to) why the starting party of BG2 consists of Charname, Imoen, Jaheria, Khalid (Dead), Minsc and Dynaheir (Dead)

    1. I'll give you Safana and Coran, that one bothered me too
    2. Garrick is a bard, bards travel
    3. Edwin is a bit tricky, but he seemed to be in Athakatla on some sort of business and decided to stay. And what about The Nether Scrolls?
    4. Tiax is another easy one, he was arrested for causing a disturbance and sent to Spellhold because he's nuttier than a bowl of fancy cashews
    5. Quayle is another one that doesn't make any sense, I'll give you that one too
    6. Faldorn is a Shadow Druid, while it's a bit of stretch to say she traveled south to Amn, it's not at all a stretch to say she used her influence to become an Archdruid while she was there. Shadow Druids love undermining regular druids
    7. Xzar and Montaron are Zhents and there is a major Harpers Compound in Athkatla, why wouldn't they go to spy on it?

    If you dig into someone's story or think about it just a little bit harder, it makes more sense that you think it does for these guys to be in BG2. I think you're being WAY too hard on the writers without any sort of proper justification.

    Wise_Grimwald
  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 963
    @ZaramMaldovar - my problem with canon party isn't that they are brought there, but that some of them are alive with no good reason.
    My point is that you can explain everyone alone, but on everyone at the same time. X & M could spy in any other place. Faldorn had no reason to leave Cloakwood, and to travel to the same place Charname is. Edwin could be searching power in, for example, Waterdeep. Tiax is a divine caster, and divine casting isn't forbidden in Amn. Coincidence after coincidence, everyone ends up in Amn at the same time!
    It's basically like learning that 60% of companions in SoA are Bhaalspawn as well. Possible, but silly.

    Justifying something with head-cannon isn't solving that problem. You can explain every silliness that way.

    ThacoBell
  • ZaramMaldovarZaramMaldovar Member Posts: 1,680
    @Artona
    Silly? With the exception of Faldorn which now that I think about it also makes no sense, I (and I think most people) would have to disagree with you on that. It makes perfect sense that 90% of companions are where they are. Some of these companions even have in-story (not headcanon at all) reasons for why they showed up in Amn. Life is full of coincidences. You're welcome to your opinion and I hope I'm not coming across as rude, but it just feels very unreasonable.

  • SkatanSkatan Member Posts: 3,629
    @ZaramMaldovar, you're aware in which thread you are posting, right? :)

    I actually agree with @artona here. I like returning NPCs, but to have them all (or most of them) would be quite hard to make reasonable. Coincidence only go so far, IMHO, until 'suspension of disbelief' come into play.

    KuronaArtonaThacoBell
  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 963
    edited January 11
    @ZaramMaldovar - as I said above, it's silly in volume.
    1. Safana - she goes after bounty on Charname. Makes sense.
    2. Coran - he's after Safana. Makes sense.
    3. Ajantis - returns to his Order. Makes sense.
    4. Tiax - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    5. Faldorn - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    6. Garrick - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    7. Montaron and Xzar - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    8. Edwin - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    9. Viconia - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    10. Quayle - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.

    There are 8 companions who happen to travel with Charname, and then decide to move to Amn to meet him yet again. This is beyond coincidence.

    Mirandel
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 812
    Moreover, the initial dialogue between Jaheira and Yoshimo implies the party was transported to Amn in less time that it should be possible. Also Amn and Baldur's Gate have a very poor relationship during the game's timeframe.

    Artona
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 2,138
    Artona said:

    @ZaramMaldovar - as I said above, it's silly in volume.
    1. Safana - she goes after bounty on Charname. Makes sense.
    2. Coran - he's after Safana. Makes sense.
    3. Ajantis - returns to his Order. Makes sense.
    4. Tiax - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    5. Faldorn - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    6. Garrick - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    7. Montaron and Xzar - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    8. Edwin - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    9. Viconia - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.
    10. Quayle - could be travelling anywhere else in Faerun.

    There are 8 companions who happen to travel with Charname, and then decide to move to Amn to meet him yet again. This is beyond coincidence.


    All roads lead to Rome.

    It's not a coincidence that they turn up in Athkatla, given the size and importance of the city and it's proximity to the Sword Coast. It's more that they cross paths within the city that's the stretch.

    One of the things that really irritates me about the Beamdog additions is that SOD gives a dreadful reason for the Cannon party and to some extent undermines reasons for the rest of the NPC.
    It messes up the timeline which is a big gripe for me., there is no time between the games for all that happens.
    Messes up Vic's backstory.
    Messes up Edwin's backstory (RW enclave in Athkatla and none of them notice him????) Let alone the CW having something to say about them being there)


    DJKajurubatoor
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