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Imoen Romance?

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  • KaigenKaigen Member Posts: 1,567
    You don't have to romance her with the mod installed, but as Ballad notes upthread, the mod does assume that Charname has some degree of attraction towards and for Imoen, which might make things a little awkward if that doesn't fit your characterization. I avoided that in my most recent playthrough by jetting off to Spellhold before the mod dreams started kicking in, but even that's not a perfect workaround.

    That said, there are a handful of banters in the mod that only trigger if you are romancing one of the Bioware NPCs and are not romancing Imoen, so there is some attention paid towards having the mod work in the context of non-romance playthroughs.

    Buttercheese
  • AchterkladAchterklad Member Posts: 114

    What if Charname is a dwarf, halfling, or gnome? Since there are no "half" varieties of those, one can assume that fertile cross-breeding between those races and humans is biologically impossible.

    It's possible. It just is very uncommon. There are several other very uncommon "mixbreeds" as well.
    Once you go gnome, you never go home. :wink:

    ButtercheeseSmilingSword
  • PteranPteran Member Posts: 388
    edited June 2016
    @Ballad @Kaigen @SmilingSword or anyone else familiar with this mod...are there any specific party members you would recommend playing with? My time is limited so I'm not sure when I'll be able to make another run through the game. I'm not worried about balance or alignments. I'm just looking for a party that Imoen will have a lot of interaction with.

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  • hippofanthippofant Member Posts: 30
    edited June 2016
    I'm pretty sure there's an evil path to take with the Imoen romance. I haven't played through it myself, but I had it installed and I looked at the epilogues (due to an epilogue bug with some other NPC mods I was playing with), and...

    ... it looks like there are options to "corrupt" Imoen and turn her evil, if enough of the corruption opportunities are taken.


    I have no idea if that's actually implemented in-game though or just some left-over legacy stuff that's not actually reachable.

  • vanatosvanatos Member Posts: 876
    Imoen has special interactions with Aerie.

    Pteran
  • PteranPteran Member Posts: 388
    @vanatos Thank you! I heard she develops a more in-depth friendship with Aerie, so I think I might bring her along to see that.

    I just barely discovered that I can look through the dialogue files <_< Out of curiosity, for the stat checks when it says "GT 16 Chr" and "LT 16 Chr," if I have 16 Charisma which options will I see? I'm assuming it actually means you'll have that option available with a score of 16 or higher, but I could be wrong. Maybe it only appears with a 17+, who knows... It's not hugely important, but I'm curious how stat checks work for dialogues like that.

    @subtledoctor You're well versed with scripting, maybe you can help answer that question =)

  • ChirenChiren Member Posts: 6
    NO! It is abominable! Don’t you recognize it? Any of you?! It is disgusting, not only because she is main character’s sister, but becouse of how character she is. Imoen is not an another peace of pussy to fuck with. BG is not another james bond! You have to prove at all costs, that friendship between man and women doesn’t have rihghts to exist, do you? Lamentable. If you treat women like that, play Witcher - it is made for such as you. Perhaps yoy’ll get a shock, but not every girl must be a whore first of all. Why are you trying to shower slander at everything remain pure and innocent? You have all the world filled with this intrusive cult of promiscuity; why aren’t you leave JUST ONE game not sprinkled by this shit? And please, don’t cover your quasi scientific arguments beneath some bilogical needs and instincts - maybe you are some mindless beasts, but Imoen don’t have to be. Nobody eat and excrete here? So? Where’s mod forcing all characters to defecation?
    Friendship is much more valuable than any romance. I love Imoen. She might be preety, but I desire her kindness, impertubable devotion and cheerfulness. That is true. I don’t expect enyone will understand me, I’ll remain alone against primitve mob, as always. But in such discussuion there’s no democracy, and I am right in this matter.

  • ZaxaresZaxares Member Posts: 103
    You're always free not to install the mod. ;) For me, when BG1 first came out, Imoen was my character's constant companion, from Candlekeep all the way to Sarevok's fall. In my own headcanon, the two of them were friends, and yes, lovers; childhood friends brought together by tragedy and united by a desire to protect and nurture the other, no matter what came. I was devastated when BG2 came out and she was revealed to be your sister, but I still refused to ever drop her from my party.

    That said, your mutual parent is a god, one who gave no more thought to your spawning than a scientist genetically modifying his own sperm and then using it to impregnate everything from rabbits to chickens to rhinos to sharks. Would you consider a shark to be a sibling to a chicken, even if they both contained partial human DNA from the same human? As far as I'm concerned, Bhaal is no more our real father than Imoen and I have the same mother.

    ThacoBellmegamike15
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,466
    edited April 23
    i dunno i played it and it seemed fine to me. they don't even push it on you either
    the Imoen in the dreams is just bhaal's taint pushing you towards one possibly. not saying " hey you know that cute girl you lived most of your life? you should go and bang."

    and you don't even need to romance her to get the most out of the mod. i like it for the stuff it adds to the game that is not romance related. it fleshes her out and makes her a better character now that she has things to say over the course of the game. and her friendship with aerie is sweet.

    alot of her tob stuff alone makes the mod worth it imo.

    ThacoBell
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 2,973
    @Chiren Npc or npc related mods are no different from fanfiction when it comes to content . Couples are created and new characters are added , but in the end we all know , whether it being good or bad, that it ain't canon .

  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,466
    says you i consider alot of the mods i use canon. :p

    ThacoBell
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 8,589
    @Chiren I seriously doubt my Flumph charname and Imoen share any actual genetics.

  • AionZAionZ Member Posts: 2,816
    Chiren wrote: »
    NO! It is abominable! Don’t you recognize it? Any of you?! It is disgusting, not only because she is main character’s sister, but becouse of how character she is. Imoen is not an another peace of pussy to fuck with. BG is not another james bond! You have to prove at all costs, that friendship between man and women doesn’t have rihghts to exist, do you? Lamentable. If you treat women like that, play Witcher - it is made for such as you. Perhaps yoy’ll get a shock, but not every girl must be a whore first of all. Why are you trying to shower slander at everything remain pure and innocent? You have all the world filled with this intrusive cult of promiscuity; why aren’t you leave JUST ONE game not sprinkled by this shit? And please, don’t cover your quasi scientific arguments beneath some bilogical needs and instincts - maybe you are some mindless beasts, but Imoen don’t have to be. Nobody eat and excrete here? So? Where’s mod forcing all characters to defecation?
    Friendship is much more valuable than any romance. I love Imoen. She might be preety, but I desire her kindness, impertubable devotion and cheerfulness. That is true. I don’t expect enyone will understand me, I’ll remain alone against primitve mob, as always. But in such discussuion there’s no democracy, and I am right in this matter.

    Anyone else find this creepy as hell?

    megamike15ThacoBellSkitiaNoloir
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,466
    Zaxares wrote: »
    You're always free not to install the mod. ;) For me, when BG1 first came out, Imoen was my character's constant companion, from Candlekeep all the way to Sarevok's fall. In my own headcanon, the two of them were friends, and yes, lovers; childhood friends brought together by tragedy and united by a desire to protect and nurture the other, no matter what came. I was devastated when BG2 came out and she was revealed to be your sister, but I still refused to ever drop her from my party.

    That said, your mutual parent is a god, one who gave no more thought to your spawning than a scientist genetically modifying his own sperm and then using it to impregnate everything from rabbits to chickens to rhinos to sharks. Would you consider a shark to be a sibling to a chicken, even if they both contained partial human DNA from the same human? As far as I'm concerned, Bhaal is no more our real father than Imoen and I have the same mother.

    that may have been the intention of the mod. she just screams childhood friend romance.

    ThacoBell
  • SkitiaSkitia Member Posts: 120
    edited April 24
    It is a bit disturbing, and I hope they are joking! I find it unfair to criticize something for its content without giving it a chance, or at least going in and reading all of the lines. I've found a lot of mod authors have their content unfairly bashed at times! Writers are certainly allowed to write about uncomfortable things, and can be very rewarded for doing things well.

    The Imoen romance mod does a good job of giving Imoen depth. It adds a bit of complexity and drama to situations. There are things I do not like, sometimes the humor isn't funny for me, for example, and there are a couple of situations where the drama can become melodramatic. But otherwise the amount of content is enriching and does not ever feel jarring. They address the conflict of having the same father and not ignoring it, which is cool, and the consequences of temptation. There are a lot of things the Imoen mod does well that can be learned from, and its most inspiring story isn't even the content, it's that it took over a decade to finish. Stories like that are what made me decide to start modding, even if it's 2019 and I probably only get very little interest and feedback for my work because of the late joining, but it's not about those things, it's about the passion of the art itself.

    On the weird romance complaint, the mod gives a friendship path. This isn't a bad thing, doing this doesn't make Imoen promiscuous (This makes no sense anyway). It just allows the player to explore what a relationship might look like if they are interested in that sort of story.

    Last bit, hope this isn't rant-coming, but I'm not fond of comparing mods to fanfiction usually. Fanfiction is a lot easier to do and receives quicker gratification, but mods aren't re-writing the story most of the time, but adding something new. They take a large amount of time and require a lot more varied skills. Some content like the ascension mod is even seen as must downloads. (That said I have guiltily never downloaded it!)





    ThacoBellmegamike15
  • ChirenChiren Member Posts: 6
    First of all, I wish to apologize for my a little bit too vulgar and offensive language. As a citizen of one of less civilized EU members, I've just got used to more aggresive style of public dispute. I'm sorry for the form, but not for the contents. Still I claim, that such mod should never been released, and all its admirers shoulf find some other games, closer corresponding to their taste. And there's really no significance in scholastic reflections about similarity genes of Gorion's foster -children, analogies in weird relations the ancient gods were involved into, or tortuous assertions that violence in the game excuses incestuousness. In fact, the simple point of the problem is that mod creator's only goal was to depreciate Imoen as a symbol of friendship, and once again demonstrate that EVERY woman have to be a sexual object. Even she... Is there any undefiled sanctity left? I'm sick of this. In my homeland, women's rights are incessantly violating, so maybe I should become accustomed, but Imoen's dignity is more important for me than my own. She is almost such archetypical character as Gandalf himself; would you accept Gandalf's romance? I doubt it. He's not that kind of person, so isn't Imoen.

  • AionZAionZ Member Posts: 2,816
    Chiren wrote: »
    In fact, the simple point of the problem is that mod creator's only goal was to depreciate Imoen as a symbol of friendship, and once again demonstrate that EVERY woman have to be a sexual object.
    No. No, it isn't. If you actually ever read the mod's writing, it should be very clear. The writing has its issues but this statement is laughably far from the truth.

    ThacoBell
  • ChirenChiren Member Posts: 6
    I hope you're right. We will see; I didn't finished this mod yet. I wish to be wrong in all i've written.

  • SkitiaSkitia Member Posts: 120
    edited April 24
    You can't say what the mod creator's only goal was unless they really say so themselves. In fact, you should not assume the writer is writing from experience or with an agenda in mind. Imoen isn't even sexualized in the mod. Not to mention there are multiple creators attached to the mod and it is not an individual.

    In fact on the mod's website it will actually tell you the goal and history, and I would recommend reading it to get an understanding of what their goal is. http://www.imoen.blindmonkey.org/docs/mod_history.php

    No mod is perfect, certainly not this one, every NPC mod I've seen, including my own, have significant places where they can improve, especially ones where you work alone. I'm not the best at proofreading my own work for example, and I find my male characters are not as well crafted, and talks are hard for me as I'm used to crafting full narrative, not conversation. This would be easier to work around with help, and thus I think the Imoen mod is blessed in that they had a team to work on it, as that makes it so much easier. The writing and execution could use significant work in places, but in the end, that it is a fully completed work is a marvel on its own. So many people start things, but so few finish.

    gorgonzolaThacoBellIsewein
  • ZaxaresZaxares Member Posts: 103
    @Chiren: I can appreciate where you're coming from, although I respectfully disagree. Sexual attraction and intimacy is a crucial part of many human relationships, and it is not, in itself, "wrong" or "unclean" or "impure". (In fact, I believe that teachings to that regard create some extremely unhealthy human attitudes to sexuality and gender relationships in real life, but let's not get into that can of worms for now.) Nonetheless, I understand that the vision of what you see in Imoen is different from mine, and I'm pleased to note that apparently the mod creators designed it in such a way that both of us can realize the different visions we have for Imoen. :)

    ThacoBellDJKajuru
  • ArthasArthas Member Posts: 728
    He didn't even play the mod and he is talking. His presence should be cleansed from this forum for not providing any useful informations at all and nothing that is actually embedded in reality

  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,466
    he would be right if he was talking about the original version of the mod where this was the case. but the 2010 rewrite is not the case it's the same as every romance. Imoen herself even has issues with it herself and the last romance talk in soa is trying to convince her. so it's not like the creators are ignoring the situation.

    like i said the mod does not force you to romance Imoen even if it's the focus. she has talks even if you don't romance her. heck if you don't romance her or aerie then in tob:
    Imoen will admit she has a crush on aerie and ask you if it's ok to use a wish spell on her to make it work. as the author does not make aerie into girls out of the blue.

    she even has banters if your romancing someone else. the whole point of the mod was to give her deph and turn her into the 2nd most important character in the saga. as it should be.

    gorgonzola
  • ArthasArthas Member Posts: 728
    By the way, why is the first draft so criticized? I saw it has adult content, but honestly seems pretty weird on a game based on a plethora of 'bad' subjects

    gorgonzola
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 783
    Let's not forget that the pure, innocent Imoen in the unmodded game is into stories about trollops and plug tails.

    ThacoBellIseweinZaxares
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 12,756
    @Chiren: Out of curiosity, what country are you from, if you don't mind my asking? You need not respond if you don't feel comfortable; I was just curious.

  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,466
    Arthas wrote: »
    By the way, why is the first draft so criticized? I saw it has adult content, but honestly seems pretty weird on a game based on a plethora of 'bad' subjects

    they went a little to far and had things that irk people the wrong way. lets just say there were evil things you could do to her in the orginal draft that is now gone.

    ThacoBell
  • ChirenChiren Member Posts: 6
    So as I predicted, I have to resist massive attack. I though nobody would read that, but now I see I've touched some tender string. Ok, let's get started. First, let me assume an attitude to SKITIA: yes, I admit just started the mod which is allthat fuss about, and in some matters I hope not to be right (however, I'm too old to allow myself to be naive). I criticized just AN IDEA of Imoen's romance plot. It's more the question of my moral code in general; I'm not ready to particularize. Reffering to ZAXARES' commentary; let me explain that I never claimed "attraction and intimacy is wrong, unclean or impure", as You were kind to accused me, suggesting some sexual inhibition as well. I claim that only in reference to Imoen, whichwhich personality doesn't even match to romance. Otherwise, in BG there is a couple of other romancing thread available, to which I was not critical (maybe Jaheira's was somehow uncomfortable; ultimately she is much older, and was a friend of my step father... Yyyh!). Those original were acceptable and absolutely sufficient. My opposition focuses on general trend to presenting EVERY female character (especially my dear Imoen), as a potential "prey". I do not accuse anything to any of other mods, but such as this one, are close to a moral level of hentai porn transformations of famous cartoons... And as everything filthy and unmoral, it found a lot of recognition, as well as legion of defenders. I was crushed having learned that some "sacrilegist" dared to breach Imoen's untouchability, but Your (i mean all of you) applause for that, is even more devastating. It seems I am still alone among "enemies". So be it. My view remains unwavering, even if I am the only one who think that way.

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