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Should atheists be allowed to get married?

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  • ArdanisArdanis Member Posts: 1,660

    Neither a cat nor a waifu will ever be able to understand those details, which is one reason why a person cannot marry their cat or waifu.

    Sadly, I couldn't find any confirmation if this game allows you to marry, else I'd post this picture...

    ...oh wait, I just did :#

    Grammarsalad
  • RelSundanRelSundan Member Posts: 917
    Why marry a "waifu" when you can marry a girl.

    semiticgod
  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,848
    Because, for some, waifus are girls.

    SmilingSword
  • RelSundanRelSundan Member Posts: 917
    I don't want to offend anyone really, your thoughts are your own and so on, but I don't see how you marry a Waifu, since she is technically not real. Would anyone who is in to that care to explain?

  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,848
    Sure makes marrying them sound silly.

    mashedtaters
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,842
    And a way of dispelling it, if necessary.

    RelSundan
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 881
    Ardanis said:

    Neither a cat nor a waifu will ever be able to understand those details, which is one reason why a person cannot marry their cat or waifu.

    Sadly, I couldn't find any confirmation if this game allows you to marry, else I'd post this picture...

    ...oh wait, I just did :#
    I would just like to drop this link: telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/6651021/Japanese-gamer-marries-Nintendo-DS-character.html

    ArdanisGrammarsalad
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 2,725
    Pteran said:

    Am I the only one that had to use Google to find out what the hell a waifu is?

    Now that you know, how does that make you feel? That is just the tip of the iceberg, mind you. If you feel like digging a little deeper look up "real life doll". Those are still relatively tame but they are the next logical step after waifu.

  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,129
    My understanding of waifu's is guy's get really into a particular character/object/doll and make a commitment to that thing. It's touching because they really care and have an outlet to care for something greatly but also kind of sad in a lack of personal interaction sense potentially.

  • IgnatiusReillyIgnatiusReilly Member Posts: 28
    Kurona said:

    "Waifu" was originally just a shout-out to Azumanga Daioh where the teacher obsessed with high-school girls carries a photo of a woman. When asked about the identity of said woman he replies "my wife" (literally, in English even if the original text) because she's actually his wife. In the anime adaptation it sounds textbook Engrish (mai waifu) and the whole thing went memetic for a while.

    Eventually it took the meaning of a female character one is strongly infatuated with (husbando being the male equivalent) but outside of 2ch people aren't too serious about it.

    Unfortunately I work in the eroge industry and happens to be a regular 2channer so I witness a lot of really, really weird people who take it to honestly psychotic levels.

    And, of course, these girls just have to look like they've not yet reached the double-digits in age, don't they? I guess an adult woman is just too scary for these people.

  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 792


    And, of course, these girls just have to look like they've not yet reached the double-digits in age, don't they? I guess an adult woman is just too scary for these people.

    Eh, I don't like loli myself, but that's an overgeneralisation. Lots of waifu-types are obviously post-pubescent. Beyond that, given Japan's obsession with youth/purity, the fact lots of Japanese women (and many non-Japanese women) are short/young-looking/flat-chested, the fact anime style tends to make people seem younger than their intended age (with exceptions, of course), and that moe-character obsessions aren't necessarily sexual, it's more complicated than it looks at first glance.

    None of which changes that yeah, Japan's semi-mainstream anime and game industries do sexually market underage characters, mostly teenagers but also some elementary-school types. Which is grotty. But on the other hand, a lot of Japanese people get pretty skeevy about American FPS games which reward you for getting "headshots"; that is, incentivise instantly killing opponents by putting a bullet in their brain. Which is also grotty. To each their own, as long as you're not actually picking up real kids or shooting real people.

    semiticgodThacoBellRelSundan
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745
    Lolicon is literally a form of pedophilia.
    There is no excuse for that.

    Also, I hate that it's so often (wrongly) associated with the Lolita style/ scene which is literally about the opposite of sex :V
    Ayiekie said:

    Japan's semi-mainstream anime and game industries do sexually market underage characters, mostly teenagers but also some elementary-school types

    The USA do that too. A lot.
    Just look at every teenage popstar/ TV actor ever.

    The difference is that Japan doesn't pretend it doesn't.
    Remember that South Park episode about the Jonas Brothers and the purity rings? I think that one summed it up very well.

    Oh, and let's not forget the disgusting thing that are child beauty pagents.

    I am not saying that Japan is not at fault, but the USA are just as bad.

    Troodon80semiticgodThacoBellNimran
  • IgnatiusReillyIgnatiusReilly Member Posts: 28
    Ayiekie said:


    And, of course, these girls just have to look like they've not yet reached the double-digits in age, don't they? I guess an adult woman is just too scary for these people.

    Eh, I don't like loli myself, but that's an overgeneralisation. Lots of waifu-types are obviously post-pubescent. Beyond that, given Japan's obsession with youth/purity, the fact lots of Japanese women (and many non-Japanese women) are short/young-looking/flat-chested, the fact anime style tends to make people seem younger than their intended age (with exceptions, of course), and that moe-character obsessions aren't necessarily sexual, it's more complicated than it looks at first glance.

    None of which changes that yeah, Japan's semi-mainstream anime and game industries do sexually market underage characters, mostly teenagers but also some elementary-school types. Which is grotty. But on the other hand, a lot of Japanese people get pretty skeevy about American FPS games which reward you for getting "headshots"; that is, incentivise instantly killing opponents by putting a bullet in their brain. Which is also grotty. To each their own, as long as you're not actually picking up real kids or shooting real people.
    Keep in mind that Japan did not institue a broad ban on child pornography until 2014, and the law, quite tellingly, excluded anime and manga. This is all but a tacit admission that the industry has a serious problem.

    I don't often watch anime myseslf (I find the visual style repulsive), but even with my limited viewing I can't help but feel as if there's far more paedo-bait and waifu creepiness now (Azumanga Daioh seemed to be the turning point, where the concept of a "waifu" entered popular consciousness). This article explores the matter. Essentially, as the Japanese economy has stagnated and as consumer purchasing power has declined, producers of anime and manga have increasingly targeted marginal groups (like otaku types) as they are the ones who keep buying it:

    The end result is that the otaku and yankii have an almost inelastic demand for their favorite goods. They must consume, no matter the economic or personal financial situation. They may move to cheaper goods, but they will always be buying something. Otherwise they lose their identity. While normal consumers curb consumption in the light of falling wages, the marginal otaku and yankii keep buying. And that means the markets built around these subcultures are relatively stable in size.

    ThacoBell
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,160
    In other news, Beamdog forumites vote for the Should 2D waifus be allowed to get married? poll, questioning whenever fictional characters deserve to be loved or not. Riots are expected to surely break out. Liberal otakus on the streets.

    ThacoBell
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,745

    Keep in mind that Japan did not institue a broad ban on child pornography until 2014, and the law, quite tellingly, excluded anime and manga. This is all but a tacit admission that the industry has a serious problem.

    I do remember reading about how at one point the depiction of adult genetalia was illigalized in Japan in order to ban pornography. Which just lead to the industry using underage genetalia instead, which was the start of loli- and shotacon.

    I don't often watch anime myself (I find the visual style repulsive)

    There are countless of anime with completely different art styles :neutral:

    Examples:

    Alfred J. Kwak by TV Tokyo


    Spirted Away by Studio Ghibli


    Samurai Champloo by Manglobe


    Astroboy by Mushi Productions


    Pretty Cure by Toei Animation


    Princess Kaguya by Studio Ghibli


    Naruto by Studio Pierrot

    Troodon80semiticgodThacoBell
  • Troodon80Troodon80 Member, Developer Posts: 4,110
    I don't often watch anime, either, nor am I a huge fan of every anime art style out there... but I'm not going to lie... at the suggestion of a certain someone, I watched Naruto a couple months ago and quite enjoyed it.

    Buttercheese
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,762
    @Buttercheese you forgot someone.


    One thing I liked about Satoshi Kon was the more realistic style he brought to anime.

    ButtercheeseThacoBell
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,842


    Keep in mind that Japan did not institue a broad ban on child pornography until 2014, and the law, quite tellingly, excluded anime and manga.

    To be fair, in most of the United States, "virtual" child pornography is not outlawed either. This would also exclude anime and manga from said laws. It has to involve a real child, according to these laws, in order to be illegal.

    In case certain people are listening, there are states that do have laws against it, so no, it's not legal everywhere. But the Supreme Court has shot them down in the past for infringing on free speech (Americans have very broad understandings of the First Amendment in general). However, currently, those laws are mostly used to put sex offenders in prison for longer periods of time--you tack child pornography charges on top of the sexual assault charges.

    Note that the Supreme Court can only strike down a law as unconstitutional if the case is brought to them; they can't do it on their own initiative. People could ask the court to shoot down a law against "virtual" child pornography on First Amendment grounds, as they have done before, but if the person in question is a sex offender, that request is not going anywhere.

    ButtercheeseThacoBell
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,699
    I keep telling you, Shandyr, we can't get married. :p Not while you keep wearing those loud Hawaiian shirts and yellow socks with sandals. ^-^

    RelSundanButtercheesesemiticgod
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 881
    @IgnatiusReilly
    I couldn't care less what kind of art or fetish people enjoy as long as they don't hurt anyone. They can buy games made by Kodomo-H or put a bunch of bestiality in their Skyrim, it's simply not my business and it shouldn't be yours either. Putting someone on a watchlist because they have a bunch of loli pics is the same as accusing GTA players of being future criminals -- it's thoughtcrime.

    I don't know what your deal is but seemingly half your posts are about pedophilia one way or another, give it a break.

    semiticgod
  • RelSundanRelSundan Member Posts: 917

    RelSundan said:

    Why marry a "waifu" when you can marry a girl.

    Because girls are not allowed to marry in most countries since you have to be off age!
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    RelSundan said:

    I don't see how you marry a Waifu, since she is technically not real.

    How DARE you.
    Just because GLaDOS is an AI doesn't make her any less real!
    image

    I blame @JuliusBorisov for all of this.
    Well, I would say that marrying GLaDOS seems a little bit... off as well, but more realisitic since she can Actually talk on her own and interact with human outside videogames.

  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 427
    If I might briefly derail this back to the original question, my wife and I were ceremonially married by an english teacher, with the legal stuff happening the day before. It was pretty cool.

    lolienShandyrThacoBell
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