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The LoB + SCS Solo Challenge vs Bhaal´s Cataclysm

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  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    The necklace that blocks wing buffet is Anadramatis' Amulet.

    Pocket Plane cannot be cast during combat. How do you escape the Abazigal fight using the Pocket Plane? Distract him with summons, run away, and wait until the combat music ends?
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    edited June 2017
    Yeah, the distract-retreat works for Abazigal and Sendai pretty well @semiticgod . What i am more concerned of is: Will i be able to survive Abazigal without PfM thanks to his Remove Magics? Maybe i will have to use the simulacrum for this job sparing the precious scroll for Melissan. But first its all about surviving Illasera, Gromnir & Yaga Shura. ;)

    Not to forget: Keep up the work @comebackhome! Will take a look at the videos later! ;)
  • billy_pilgrimbilly_pilgrim Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2017
    @Harpagornis Have you considerd level 14 for dual class? You will have more HLA's but lose out on greater elementals though... I think getting back 18 dual class levels as vanilla fighter could be quite tough, unless you have the first 250k xp lined up for yourself (quests already finished but not turned in yet)

    I've been having trouble with my EET install, but I finally managed to sort it out. I tried another run, this time as a vanilla monk ~ it was going alright, got to chapter 6; but then I realized I would probably not be able to do SoD with it. After reading one of your earlier posts on monks, no aoe for SoD will make it tough, and its not like you can facetank as a lvl 10ish monk with LoB.

    So, I decided to try something a bit different, the old school powerhouse kensai-thief. I think the AC won;'t be to big of a problem (might be in SoD) because the early game you use a charmed enemy or whatnot to tank for you, avoiding most combat. And once you get Paws you hit and run most of the time anyway as a thief char that is.
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    Kensai/Thief sounds cool @billy_pilgrim - go, go, go! ;)

    One reason to get at least up to Druid level 15 is that you get a huge boost of available spells. After that the Druid levels so fast that reaching level 18 is quite easy. I think @Grond0 was right to go all the way up as the Deva and Elemental Prince are really powerful while even the Spirit Summons remain useful in most battles. Getting the Fighter up and the Druid back is supereasy if you allow yourself to use the Gauth XP loop in the Unseeing Eye Quest. With Baldurans Shield and Everards Sling (plus Simulacrum) you can always spawn up to eight Gauths (if you are fast and lucky). Once they realize the Shield they will stop attacking and you can kill them one after another. Its just time consuming: Drink some cup of tea, take a fresh piece of air - whatever you want! ;)
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,754


    Balthazar: Yes, its possible for evil characters to convince him joining – i posted the requirements and the dialogue route earlier (its hiding somewhere!).

    Here it is: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/847595/#Comment_847595

    To better understand how it works, check this post by @Musigny - https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/653262/#Comment_653262
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    edited June 2017
    Eklun started into ToB - and got surprised...

    Illasera was treated like always: Use invisibility to lure her away from the guards and call in summons. End of story? Nope! Cause she absolutely destroyed the Spirit Bears in seconds and even the Deva and Elemental Prince had a hard time staying alive. Eklun therefore switched to "Harm" landing it on first try. Now, that was the end of the story. Finally!

    The first challenge in the Pocket Plane worked quite good. Let the commons surround Eklun (they cannot hit him thanks to immunity to normal and +1 weapons) so they block the Knights while the ring of these two blocked Ellesime and friends - as well as the Deva and Air Elemental. Once the summons were gone Eklun called in his Spirit Lions who took down Ellesime, Duke Eltan and - with the help of True Seeing - Aran Linvail. The rest was an easy cleanup as - for whatever reason - the enemies refusd to attack the summons.

    Gromnir will be next!!!

    P.S. Thanks @JuliusBorisov for digging out the posts! ;)
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    edited June 2017
    Big, big problems incoming!!!

    1. I tried to be smart and used the console to jump right to the ancient statues in ToB. Everything worked fine until Gromnir got killed but then: Nothing! Melissan does not appear and so no porting to the Pocket Plane. Eklun is stuck.

    2. Now i tried the regular manual import with all containers lost. Everything else looked fine but: No Druid HLA´s anymore. No Deva, no Elemental Prince - what the Hell is going on here? Fighter HLA´s are there - like they should be. Is there any logic behind this?

    As the game always crashes after Irenicus dies there is no automatic transport into ToB. So - what can i do to get past these bugs? This is very frustrating. On one of the many tests to trick the game Eklun died in the first Pocket Plane challenge - is the challenge over even though he already had killed Gromnir before? Will i have to reinstall the whole game?

    My motivation is nearing zero at the moment...
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,754
    Not sure I understand what bug exactly are you experiencing. I played with SCS (and the Tactics encounter for the final battle) and didn't get a crash after the end of SoA.
  • AasimAasim Member Posts: 591
    @Harpagornis

    ad1) can be fixed, but with few ugly workarounds - it seems some variables are wrongly set so you're probably still in SoA, not ToB as far as game is concerned

    ad2) uuuugh.... :( I think this may be an EE bug.
  • ArctodusArctodus Member Posts: 992
    edited June 2017
    @Harpagornis Maybe you should take a little break if your motivation is drained. Getting where you are is no easy task, so it would be a pity to make a mistake for that reason.

    I never had your bug, so I can't help you. Maybe create a new character directly in ToB and fix it through EEKeeper ?

    Another thing : SoA seems to have drained much of your motivation. On another playthrough, maybe we should respect the level cap ? SoA was not meant to be played with HLAs. I'm pretty sure you would have add more fun through it if no HLAs were involved (more work to do that way). Just a suggestion. :)
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,456
    Sorry to hear about your problems Harpagornis. I agree with @Arctodus that recreating the character in ToB would seem to be the safest approach if your transition is bugged.

    No-reload is hard - even when it's easy :). I won't go into my personal rules about what is and what's not allowed, but in terms of maintaining motivation you might want to consider putting a daily limit on your play. If you're restricted to an hour a day, say, you would probably find that aggravating at first as unreasonably restricting progress - but it's possible it might help prevent you 'hitting the wall' later in the run.
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    Thanks for your input! Yeah, the recreation of Eklun seems to be the safest choice here - restarting ToB with a fresh mind. Oh, you are right @Grond0 - looks like i "overplayed" the game a bit. I know that your personal rules wouldnt allow you the XP loop and some other "cheese" and at the end SoA really felt "too easy" - especially with all the HLA´s. Maybe i will have to put in some restrictions too. We will see...

    The new plan: Pause the game for a day (or more), then recreate Eklun in ToB and restart with newly aquired motivation. Then see when and where we will finally die. Sounds like a decent plan - no? :D
  • ArdanisArdanis Member Posts: 1,736
    When exactly does the game crash? It's a bit difficult to remotely debug a modded game, but if the crash occurs before Ellesime's speech, I think a script edit to skip over the cutscene and jump straight into ToB instead should be enough to bypass the issue.
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    edited June 2017
    The game crashes after the Ellesime talk once she has spoken her last word @Ardanis . Then the screen freezes and even when waiting several minutes nothing happens. I never had this problem before so it might be related to the modding. However: I will take a small break from the challenge only getting back with fresh motivation! Now its up to @Grond0, @Arctodus and maybe @Blackraven to continue the action in the meanwhile! ;)
  • comebackhomecomebackhome Member Posts: 254
    Just hit level 14/14 mage/cleric and hit HLA's; Any suggestions? I've been testing a few offline - Aura of flaming death works just before polymorphing/as does globe of blades both amazing spells. Also the bonus 6th level spell is a fantastic addition but you don't get both spell slots for mage AND cleric just mage. I'm trying to avoid cheese such as Deva or Planetar cause that will make the game much easier.
  • billy_pilgrimbilly_pilgrim Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2017
    @Harpagornis Having bugs in the game can be very frustrating. I decided on a quick re-install and it turned into 3 days of figuring out what was wrong with my mods, apparently there was a problem with the new weidu version and EET.

    On that note do you guys even use EET? I quite like it but everytime I discover some things have changed which makes the challenge ven harder, for example summon woodland beings nerfed, and just now I realized the nymph cloak is also nerfed, to one use per day? Which has pretty much dashed my hopes of doing a stalker/cleric dual class play though (how to tackle ducal palace with no summons and only 2 charms, 4 if you rest once I guess..?).

    I got my kensai thief past the ducal palace fight with trap stacking, it wwas fairly tedious (like most things LoB related) having to rest in the inn and walk over, set 2 traps and walk back. Anyhow that worked out but my kensai/thief just lacked oomph for Sarevok, and I kinda lost faith in it. I really need to stick with a character :dizzy:

    So my new plan was stalker to cleric dual class at lvl 13. Do you guys think this is the correct level? I think the stalker spells only become active at lvl 12, and then its only 1 more lvl to get that 1/2 attack. That was my reasoning. As far weapons go I'd go quarterstaves for backstabbing and porbably dual wield hammers or flails.
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,456
    @billy_pilgrim I don't currently use EET, although I always used to play BGT prior to using the EE games. I agree that switching between installations is a problem - I regularly get caught out by differences in the games I'm playing (which is one reason why I rarely play BGT now, although there are things I prefer in that to the EE).

    Ranger spells should kick in at level 8. However, if you're dualling to cleric then that's going to be the main source of spells for you. Waiting until level 13 would therefore I think be more to do with trying to make sure you've got a good THAC0 as well as the APR. I'm not sure that would be worth it for a cleric though as they will ultimately get to a better THAC0 anyway, but that's probably down to personal taste.
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    Once realizing how powerful Druid -> Fighter is my question would be: Why not also play it the other way around @billy_pilgrim and dual the Cleric into Ranger? But which Cleric level would be the sweetpoint here? 22 to get at least the Deva? Or also get Globe of Blades and Aura of Flaming Death? And which Cleric Kit would be the best here? Lathander? As i lack profound experience with Clerics maybe @Grond0 can help us here? ;)
  • billy_pilgrimbilly_pilgrim Member Posts: 132
    edited June 2017
    @Grond0 @Harpagornis thanks for your thoughts guys!

    Well, I thought the stalker backstab to be cute, as well as the spells. I think the 3 or 4 mage spells Stalkers get, become active at lvl 12 with access to level 3 spells. Being able to haste the cleric summons would be pretty strong as well as a good melee boost, not having to rely on oils is nice, although there are plenty of them when soloing. From a purely power perspective totemic druid -> fighter is probably one of the best classes for LoB. If I were to go cleric first I'd go lothander kit for sure, I was actually doing a lothander -> thief play through, got to mid SoD, when I decided to mess with my install because something was wrong with my summons. RIP. Anyway, I'll carry on a for a bit with my stalker and see how it'll go.
  • ArctodusArctodus Member Posts: 992
    edited June 2017
    I don't have much time to play these days, because I'm moving next week, but Ellethil is doing good. He's ready to go into Cloakwood mines. He's level 4/5 for now.

    Did the usual quests : fed Mulahey to his kobolds and sneaked into bandit camp, killing no one. Looted Durlag's Tower to have enough money to buy myself the Robe of the Good Archimagy. Got my revenge against Bassilus : I talked to him, went invisible and backstabbed him for good damage. I tried to lure him into my traps, but random skellies triggered them off screen. No biggie : I hid in shadows behind the stones around him and threw charges of the Wand of Paralyzation at him : only two were needed. Sliced him up after.

    So far so good : I don't forsee any trouble before Baldur's Gate, because invis>BG1. Really. I'm always invis, then set traps, rest away from the traps, set some more, open with a backstab, lure into traps, go invisible again and then either cast something or kite. Oh, and I forgot how stupidly OP blind can be. Best level 1 arcane spell in this run. Can't wait to have summons of my own though !

    That's it for now. See ya !!
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,456
    Arctodus said:

    Can't wait to have summons of my own though !

    Sounds like you don't need them, but you could always pick up the wand from the Valley of the Tombs. The ghasts there can be lured out of the tomb, but if you don't want to bother doing that you can just overlap the container with your icon and use the inventory screen to take the wand.
  • comebackhomecomebackhome Member Posts: 254
    Tips and tricks on how to enhance your LoB/SCS Solo playthrough by looting/pickpocketing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ceo7fvUo88

    Watchers keep level 2 you're up next..
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,456
    Due to my incredible success in this challenge I thought I needed to try something a bit tougher B). What do you think of the prospects of success with this character?
  • HarpagornisHarpagornis Member Posts: 1,658
    edited June 2017
    Thats a good one @Grond0! My prediction: She will lose the very first talking to Winthrop and immediately drop to the ground - GG! :D

    In the meanwhile i am enjoying the free time not bothering about BG.

    With other words: It may take some time before returning with Eklun! ;)
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