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Would you pay for a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait?

ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 6,754
edited December 2016 in Off-Topic
Hey everyone,

I am just curious, as it has long been a dream of mine to have a custom BG style portrait.

In the course of the "Road to v2.0" two forum members won custom portraits.

And I think the results turned out to be great, gorgeous, terrific.

And I would pay money for a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait. Probably more than I should...

The question is:

Would you pay for a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait? 46 votes

yes
36%
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no
41%
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other (please specify)
21%
KamigoroshiLordRumfishThacoBellGodjustfeelinathomelolienBelanosDragonKingArtonaSaber83 10 votes
justfeelinathome
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  • LordRumfishLordRumfish Member Posts: 911
    edited December 2016
    other (please specify)
    The answer is maybe. Depending on the price, and just how much I love my character. That being said, I was recently toying with the idea of getting a few commissions for scenes from Veraka's Saga. Not toying very seriously (as in checking the price and narrowing down my favorite illustrators), but it has been a passing fancy.
    ShandaxxFinneousPJAerakarjustfeelinathome
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 4,057
    edited December 2016
    other (please specify)
    No. Not for one, single 210x330 sized digital portrait I'm afraid.
    Given that I rarely play through Baldur's Gate these days anymore. It is more likely that I would request a commission of a "portrait set" of, say, 12 different pieces for a reasonable price. In sizes fit for a wider range of games, not just for Baldur's Gate.

    Up until now I had ordered quite a few commissions to artists; ranging from drawings, paintings, figurines and various other art pieces. All with a different price tag attached to them, of course. It is a good feeling to purchasing something which exactly meets your expectations. Although I do advice to previously check on the artists skills before requesting something. :p
    ShandaxxThacoBell
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 4,964
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,058
    no
    There are far too many great portraits already that I haven't used. Plus, I usually create my character from the portrait so I'd rather have the portrait before anything.
    FinneousPJKamigoroshiLordRumfish
  • GodGod Member Posts: 1,027
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    BG?

    BG make problem. Trust me, BG2 better.



    :smirk:
    bg2.png 490.8K
    Teflon
  • LordRumfishLordRumfish Member Posts: 911
    other (please specify)
    CrevsDaak said:

    There are far too many great portraits already that I haven't used. Plus, I usually create my character from the portrait so I'd rather have the portrait before anything.

    Yeah, I can attest that starting from the other end (coming up with the character first and then trying to find matching art) is a frustrating and often doomed enterprise. I count myself lucky I was able to find decent art for Veraka after hours searching on deviantart many moons ago: http://yngvarasplund.deviantart.com/art/Cumulonimbus-166696236
    AerakarCrevsDaak
  • ChnapyChnapy Member Posts: 360
    yes
    I would, but not any amount. Not sure I'd be ready to pay enough for something as big and detailled and gorgeous as what Beamdog did here.
    Shandaxx
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 7,020
    no
    "Baldurizing" portraits has never held much appeal for me. The style is okay, but it's not the best.

    My favorite portraits have come from online artwork, which I find much more interesting.
    FrancoisCrevsDaak
  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,147
    yes
    I would, though I'd rather people didn't know it was me. Prefer personal details on the internet being locked behind a "friends only" gate, so it irks me that I cannot properly remove the picture I uploaded in the 2.0 thread.
    CrevsDaak
  • lolienlolien Member, Moderator, Translator (NDA) Posts: 2,098
    other (please specify)
    The proper question would be: If someone would pay me, could i make a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait with desireable quality?
    ShandaxxJuliusBorisovThacoBellDJKajuru
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 4,528
    no
    lolien said:

    The proper question would be: If someone would pay me, could i make a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait with desireable quality?

    Could you? I have a bag of :cookie: around here somewhere as suitable payment.
    lolien
  • qwerty123456qwerty123456 Member Posts: 67
    edited December 2016
    Shandyr said:

    And I would pay money for a custom Baldur's Gate style portrait. Probably more than I should...

    Well, nothing stops you. There's a lot of freelance sites.
    Post edited by qwerty123456 on
    semiticgodlolien
  • TeflonTeflon Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 517
    no
    Nope, thanks for asking :p
    I'd like to keep it to myself.
  • justfeelinathomejustfeelinathome Member Posts: 353
    other (please specify)
    Yes, but probably (in the vein of what Shandyr said), less than I should. While I'd love to have one, a student has little money to spend on luxuries and there's o-so-many temptations in this world that'd come first.

    If I'd be a millionaire, though, I'd secretly contact the artists beamdog hired for the project and pay them handsomely. You know, another one of those pipe-dreams... :lol:
    lolien
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 4,057
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    @Buttercheese
    In my example I spoke of a portrait pack commission with 12 different art pieces, which should fit a wide range of games.

    Clearly the idea of what a "reasonable price" for such a work load would indicate is not set in stone. To me, it depends on various key points: ranging from the art style, level of detail, resolution, as well as the interhuman negotiation itself. After all, I'd rather pay more to an artist I find personally sympathic rather than someone who's prices are lower but I find dislikable.

    For further references: the upper price cut I'd be willing to pay for the theoretical commission example I've mentioned above lies around 250€. Considering that the 12 requested portraits would probably be coloured busts and not full body portraits.
    Buttercheeselolien
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 6,754
    yes


    It is perfectly reasonable to demand 70USD minimum for a detailed portrait such as they are found within the games.

    So please, do tell me what reasonable pricing means to you guys.

    If it was a really well done BG portrait like from the "Road to v2.0" contest I would pay that.
    And that would not be the upper bound for me for a price.

    I think those two portraits are gorgeous.
    Buttercheeselolien
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 6,754
    yes
    @JuliusBorisov

    Do we know the artist(s) who made the portraits from the "Road to v2.0" contest?
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 12,613
    Thea Kent was the portrait artist.
    Shandaxxlolien
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 4,528
    no
    Shandyr said:


    It is perfectly reasonable to demand 70USD minimum for a detailed portrait such as they are found within the games.

    So please, do tell me what reasonable pricing means to you guys.

    If it was a really well done BG portrait like from the "Road to v2.0" contest I would pay that.
    And that would not be the upper bound for me for a price.

    I think those two portraits are gorgeous.
    Which portraits are these?
  • GodGod Member Posts: 1,027
    other (please specify)

    tell me what reasonable pricing means to you



    I can pay a folk artist from Djibouti some 2$ asking price for an artwork which your appraisal could value at 70$. I can resell that artwork for 70$. I can then go back to Djibouti and give the man those 68$ he never knew he wanted, in one way or another.
    I can also pay you 70$ for an artwork, go to Djibouti and sell it to a local folk artist whose appraisal could value it at 2$, and you are in no way obliged to refund me the remaining 68$. But you can do that if you want to, in one way or another. Like, for example, you could use that money to go to Djibouti and buy an artwork for 2$, such that you could resell for 70$. And maybe make friends with a local folk artist while there :smirk:
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 4,528
    no
    It would cost me $1800 to fly to Djibouti to save $68.

    Something tells me i'd bite the bullet and attempt to just heckle down to $60
    Buttercheeselolien
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 12,613
    deltago said:

    Shandyr said:


    It is perfectly reasonable to demand 70USD minimum for a detailed portrait such as they are found within the games.

    So please, do tell me what reasonable pricing means to you guys.

    If it was a really well done BG portrait like from the "Road to v2.0" contest I would pay that.
    And that would not be the upper bound for me for a price.

    I think those two portraits are gorgeous.
    Which portraits are these?
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/61217/the-road-to-v2-0-reward-3-portraits-a-pregen-char-and-the-siege-of-dragonspear-ce-copies
    lolien
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,532
    yes
    God said:

    I can pay a folk artist from Djibouti some 2$ asking price for an artwork which your appraisal could value at 70$. I can resell that artwork for 70$. I can then go back to Djibouti and give the man those 68$ he never knew he wanted, in one way or another.
    I can also pay you 70$ for an artwork, go to Djibouti and sell it to a local folk artist whose appraisal could value it at 2$, and you are in no way obliged to refund me the remaining 68$. But you can do that if you want to, in one way or another. Like, for example, you could use that money to go to Djibouti and buy an artwork for 2$, such that you could resell for 70$. And maybe make friends with a local folk artist while there :smirk:

    Different countries have different values of money and different average incomes.
    In some countries you can live well with a monthly income of 20USD while in others you need at least 700USD.
    Your argument holds no water what so ever.
    KamigoroshiThacoBell
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 4,057
    other (please specify)

    Different countries have different values of money and different average incomes.
    In some countries you can live well with a monthly income of 20USD while in others you need at least 700USD.

    Very true. Both points should also be important factors for the topic at hand as well. This would also explain as to why many great artists over at deviantart&Co. sell their services for 15USD and up per portrait, even though they do not live in the US themselves. It is advisable for clients and artists alike to inform themselves about other countries market prices as well, not just their own.
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 12,613

    God said:

    I can pay a folk artist from Djibouti some 2$ asking price for an artwork which your appraisal could value at 70$. I can resell that artwork for 70$. I can then go back to Djibouti and give the man those 68$ he never knew he wanted, in one way or another.
    I can also pay you 70$ for an artwork, go to Djibouti and sell it to a local folk artist whose appraisal could value it at 2$, and you are in no way obliged to refund me the remaining 68$. But you can do that if you want to, in one way or another. Like, for example, you could use that money to go to Djibouti and buy an artwork for 2$, such that you could resell for 70$. And maybe make friends with a local folk artist while there :smirk:

    Different countries have different values of money and different average incomes.
    In some countries you can live well with a monthly income of 20USD while in others you need at least 700USD.
    Your argument holds no water what so ever.
    Actually, it does. BG is being played in different countries, with different average monthly income per family. So a question about the meaning of a reasonable pricing can get different answers depending on the city/town a person responding the question lives.

    The question in the OP is whether you would pay for a custom BG style portrait or not. I think the question about how much should be paid is connected to the first question and it's fine people are sharing views on it.
    Kamigoroshilolien
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,532
    edited December 2016
    yes
    So you are saying it is unreasonable to ask for payment based on the average of the country the artist is actually living in because there are other countries with far lower incomes ergo starving oneself to death because of international competition.

    Gotcha.

    I am pretty sure most artists who offer their work in the english speaking part of the internet (which is what most BG players would turn to) live in a country that does have and average income comparable to that of the US so good luck finding someone who asks for just two bucks.

    If you happen to live in Djibouti where allegedly the average income is so low that 2USD can buy you a custom professionally painted portrait, then you yourself probably have a pretty low income. So you would still pay conversely 70USD. It's not about international worth of money, it's about the national one. Because the person who lives in a high-income country and just travels to a low-income country to buy goods there is probably very very much the exception. That and what @deltago said.

    But I don't want to derail this thread any further, if anyone wants to learn more about this just talk to any artist who ever offered their work online ever.

    ___________________________________________________

    Back to the original question:

    Yes, I would absolutely commission another artist for a fitting portrait when I can afford it and I can't find a portrait that suffciently meets my vision of the character online.

    I do personally prefer art trades though, but that is obviously a thing between friends.
    The nice thing about art trades is, that they take the "commissioner/commissionee" set-up out of the equation, putting both artists on the same level. Plus, it's a fun activity between friends!
    lolienThacoBell
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,532
    yes
    @JuliusBorisov
    Which I do agree with but that is besides the point I was trying to make. My point was, that most non-artists don't know what reasonably pricing for art is and that "reasonable" is an absultely vague and subjective term, making the statement "if the price is reasonable" rather unhelpful.
    JuliusBorisovCrevsDaak
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 4,964
    no
    I would argue that this type of commissioning is a buyers' market. Hence, reasonable pricing is what the customer is willing to pay, not what the artist thinks is "fair".
    deltagoCrevsDaak
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