Fighter: Intelligence or Wisdom?

Zaukodar

Hi everyone,

I decided to start a new game with a basic fighter and I managed to get a high roll of 98 after twenty minutes of clicking. With Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, and Charisma all maxed out, I wasn't sure if I should put the rest into Intelligence or Wisdom.

Dual-Classing aside, I know that some conversations in BG2(EE) have options that come from high WIS scores, but I don't know if there are any that depend on high INT scores or if there's some other reason to have a high INT as a fighter.

Any thoughts?

Neverused

An INT of 16 is ideal, since that allows you to absorb 3 Mind Flayer attacks without dying, and 17 allows you to give up an INT point to the dream-Bhaal while still maintaining the 3 hits. If 18, you can give up the point, drink a potion of Genius, and absorb up to 4 Mind Flayer attacks. Other than this, though, very little benefit to either stat.

The only non-mod conversation I can think of off the top of my head that checks an ability is the Spectator Beholder, but if you're in a party that should be less of a problem, or simply use potions of insight/genius to get to 18/18 for that conversation.

Skatan

^- What (s)he said. If you have no roleplaying reasons for either, go with INT for the above reasons.

wubble

I seem to remember that the only wisdom check in the game (aside from wishing) can be easily fooled with a potion.

Already mentioned above it seems:)
"Go to sleep @ wubble you're tired..."

Mantis37

Try roleplaying it out though..e.g.:

Low INT = Never read the journal for quests....Randomise your quest choices.

Low Wis = Choose dialogue options at random....

lunar

Only one semi-important dialogue checks for wisdom, which is with the Spectator beholder in Shaguin city. Other than that wisdom offers no real benefit to a pure fighter. Intelligence is very important when fighting mind flayers, though. A 3 int fighter will have a very difficult time surviving vs mindflayers, unless buffed with genius potions. Because no matter how ridiculously good your ac is, a critical will kill 3 int, AND mindflayers WILL get criticals, since they have so many attacks/round.

JuliusBorisov

For the purpose of сompleteness, here's the list of Wisdom checks:

Cyric's Avatar in the pocket plane challenge room:
Cyric: Now, then. Let's get trivial matters out of the way first. Do you know who I am?
You seem... familiar somehow... (Wisdom less than 8, Intelligence greater than 13)
You're... the current god of murder? ( Wisdom between 8-16)
Yes. You're Cyric, reigning god of murder. (Wisdom 17+, or player is a cleric)

Yakman in the Watcher's Keep portal level:
Yakman: Yakman used to sleep, long time ago. But it get cold, so cold. Frozen Yakman! Demons come, and it get cold. No sleep make Yakman go crazy, Yakman knows. Crazy Yakman!
Maybe a heal spell will help restore your sanity? (Wisdom 15+, or player is a cleric)

The wraith shade of Gorion in Yaga-Shura's mom's temple
Gorion: You are a disappointment. You were supposed to be so much more, . You were supposed to be something greater, and yet in the end, you murdered even me!
Gorion would never say these things. You are not he! (Wisdom 12+)

The beholder in the Sahuagin city
Spectator: I assume he was talking about this chest, though. And that means I can't let you open it... or do anything to it... even if I'm not guarding what's inside.
But that doesn't mean you can't open it, right? Then I could get what's inside without touching anything. (Wisdom 13+)

Elven gate guard in Suldanessellar:
Elf: No! No, go away! You... you're just another illusion, trying to trick me! I won't open the gate, I won't!
All of the illusions have been of horrible creatures... I am not a creature of any sort. Why would they create an illusion like me? (Wisdom 15+)
Illusions exist through belief. Stop believing in them, and they no longer exist. You can try the same with me, but I assure you I am quite real. (Intelligence 15+)
You're just going to have to trust me, friend. I'm here to help, not to fight. (Charisma 15+)

The "dragonslayer" in one of the tents in Trademeet:
Wilfred: Too bad I was by myself at the time. I could only gather as much gold as I could carry. Still, it was enough to make me plenty wealthy. Plus, it was a good deed, which is my forte.
You don't look like someone who could single-handedly slay a dragon! What's the real story here? (Wisdom 15-16)
I'm wise enough to see right through your story, Wilfred. You're lying. (Wisdom 17+)

Also, there're wisdom-based dialogue lines in the EE content and Black Pits 2.

Besides, if you're playing with the Ascension mod, Wisdom may be important - https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/724807/#Comment_724807 by @Artemius_I

Mantis37

It's a pity there aren't many more PST style...

In no-reload play Alesia (one of the best BG players) once suggested that having a good base Wisdom & Charisma (to get Balthazar ) is very important with Ascension.

JuliusBorisov

Mantis37 said:

In no-reload play Alesia (one of the best BG players) once suggested that having a good base Wisdom & Charisma (to get Balthazar ) is very important with Ascension.

Thanks to @Harpagornis (shout out to @Alesia_BH ) we know the needed answers to get Balthazar:

"Charisma 19 + Reputation 20 was enough!

Here is the route that worked

2-2-3-2-1-1-1-3-3-1-1-2-1"

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/847595#Comment_847595

O_Bruce

The ammount of dialogues in with intelligence/wisdom/charisma checks is too damn low!

Wise_Grimwald

What hasn't been mentioned is that you need 9 intelligence to read a scroll. If you are soloing, that is quite important! For example you want to be able to read a scroll of protection from petrification in the basilisk area.

Raduziel

In SoD there is a lich from the Spectacle quest that requires a reasonably high Lore for you to challenge.

Higher the Wis/Int, higher the Lore.

When I'm playing a warrior I always save a potion of insight and a potion of genius for this moment. If it's not enough I drink a potion of mind focus too.

yhl533556

just ctr+8，it‘s so easy。

tbone1

In PnP, I would prefer extra wisdom, since that gave you a saving throw bonus against certain "mental attack" spells. However that wasn't implemented in the Infinity Engine.

JoenSo

JuliusBorisov said:

The "dragonslayer" in one of the tents in Trademeet:
Wilfred: Too bad I was by myself at the time. I could only gather as much gold as I could carry. Still, it was enough to make me plenty wealthy. Plus, it was a good deed, which is my forte.
You don't look like someone who could single-handedly slay a dragon! What's the real story here? (Wisdom 15-16)
I'm wise enough to see right through your story, Wilfred. You're lying. (Wisdom 17+)

When your character is so wise they know their own stats.