Boxing Thread
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Noting I'm not an expert, I'd like to point out I have always felt that it'd be a relatively easy win for Mayweather, provided he doesn't throw the fight. Having heard every educated voice largely agreeing with me, I feel like at least I'm not a complete noob.
So, I expect Mayweather's mobility and quick thinking/skill will still dominate this matchup, with Mcgregor landing surprisingly few blows. I suspect Mayweather will be able to strike with safety despite having less reach, again due to mobility and skill, though I don't expect Mayweather to get a knockout, I do expect a dominant performance.
The only edge I can see, and the only strategy that Mcgregor could bet on would be to get a few lucky punches early, most likely at the cost of being punched first. He's a bit heavier, and though MMA fighters don't get punched like boxers (either as powerfully or as constantly, as they have other options), he'll be used enough to being hit to make trading blows early a necessity. If Mcgregor fumbles on these trades, he might get knocked out, but I don't see him winning this fight unless he can slow down Mayweather, and giving him either some very big body shots (...these guys aren't heavyweights, so no padding on the tummy) or daze him a bit. I don't expect this to work, Mayweather has beaten probably quite a few professional boxers trying the same strategy, to hurt him early to bring him down to earth.
General point, I really don't understand why either sport is really happy about this matchup; if Mayweather loses somehow (thrown fight), his perfect record is ruined, and after he has gone hill a bit most likely. It's not 30 yo Mayweather vs 20 yo Mcgregor, which would have been more fair, heck 5 years ago this would have been more interesting, though Mcgregor was a nobody back then. If Mayweather wins, he's managed to get a payday he really didn't need, but probably couldn't bring himself to turn down. This is very much about the money, as are all matches, but pitting an undefeated champion vs a guy nobody had heard of a few years back is absurd, and a bit offensive. I don't think Mcgregor earned this match, period. It's insulting to boxing to sanction this, but I'm getting rant-ey now.
Yeah, about that 'out of nowhere' thing, is this going to be a consistent UFC thing now, pretending any champ is the 'greatest ever'? Because thats really lame. Am I the only one that thinks UFC is faker than boxing?
Noting I'm not an expert, I'd like to point out I have always felt that it'd be a relatively easy win for Mayweather, provided he doesn't throw the fight. Having heard every educated voice largely agreeing with me, I feel like at least I'm not a complete noob.
So, I expect Mayweather's mobility and quick thinking/skill will still dominate this matchup, with Mcgregor landing surprisingly few blows. I suspect Mayweather will be able to strike with safety despite having less reach, again due to mobility and skill, though I don't expect Mayweather to get a knockout, I do expect a dominant performance.
The only edge I can see, and the only strategy that Mcgregor could bet on would be to get a few lucky punches early, most likely at the cost of being punched first. He's a bit heavier, and though MMA fighters don't get punched like boxers (either as powerfully or as constantly, as they have other options), he'll be used enough to being hit to make trading blows early a necessity. If Mcgregor fumbles on these trades, he might get knocked out, but I don't see him winning this fight unless he can slow down Mayweather, and giving him either some very big body shots (...these guys aren't heavyweights, so no padding on the tummy) or daze him a bit. I don't expect this to work, Mayweather has beaten probably quite a few professional boxers trying the same strategy, to hurt him early to bring him down to earth.
General point, I really don't understand why either sport is really happy about this matchup; if Mayweather loses somehow (thrown fight), his perfect record is ruined, and after he has gone hill a bit most likely. It's not 30 yo Mayweather vs 20 yo Mcgregor, which would have been more fair, heck 5 years ago this would have been more interesting, though Mcgregor was a nobody back then. If Mayweather wins, he's managed to get a payday he really didn't need, but probably couldn't bring himself to turn down. This is very much about the money, as are all matches, but pitting an undefeated champion vs a guy nobody had heard of a few years back is absurd, and a bit offensive. I don't think Mcgregor earned this match, period. It's insulting to boxing to sanction this, but I'm getting rant-ey now.
Yeah, about that 'out of nowhere' thing, is this going to be a consistent UFC thing now, pretending any champ is the 'greatest ever'? Because thats really lame. Am I the only one that thinks UFC is faker than boxing?
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I guess the main thing here is the straight-up arrogance of the UFC crowd. Mayweather has been boxing and fighting (and beating, and schooling) the best competition in the world since he came out of the womb, and though anything is POSSIBLE, the idea that McGregor is just going to walk in after a couple months of training and have any idea how to box is just.....crazy. I mean, he should get hammered just on his footwork alone. McGregor hits hard for a UFC fighter. I highly, highly doubt he has anywhere near the punching power of actual boxers Floyd had absolutely no trouble with like Mosley, Pacquiao, Cotto, De La Hoya, and Canelo Alvarez, just to name a few of the world class BOXERS Floyd made look like fools when they fought him. He's a ghost. He plays defense and then peppers you with counter-shots for 12 rounds. When you go to swing, he simply isn't there anymore 80% of the time.
It's a big step to go from UFC to Boxing, not something that either organization should be taking so lightly. I might be a tad too serious though.
I don't really like either fighter that much, both are offensive to my sensibilities, but I probably would prefer Mayweather to win, as he seems like less of a jerk. Which is saying something, considering the arrogance pouring out of both.
Maybe up the cardio a bit if you're going to be going 12 rounds?
That went shockingly like I expected it to, other than Mayweather's entrance... now, no judgement, but, uh, was that a gimp suit?
Good night for some brandy and a cigar! I like being right, even when it was pretty obvious how it would go. I think it should be a big fat clue when the big money is all on one guy, and the bulk of the bets are on the other.
I wonder if this'll help dispel the myth that Irish people are especially good fighters? I'm not holding my breathe, but maybe it'll be a start.
Berto gives his thoughts about fighting TBE here:
Well, outcome isn't surprising, but I think Floyd could finish McGregor earlier if he wanted to. I'm just glad because this very lucrative freak-fight is over. Money pays his taxes, McGregor counts income on his yacht in Ibiza (according to his own words), everyone is happy.
And there are interesting fights on horizon: Łomaczenko vs Rigondeaux, Canelo vs GGG, and so on.
Do you guys think Mayweather vs McGregor will have positive impact on boxing overall? I think one of Floyd's advisors said something about that - that this fight will bring media attention to discipline and it will benefit from it as a whole.
Then I actually read the first post... No wonder I never heard about them, given my disinterest for any kind of sports.
I agree, but for me it looked like Malignaggi was absolutely desperate to make fight with McGregor and make some of that money. I can't blame the guy who gets his face punched as a full-time job, but it was kinda like that made up drama with Mayorga slapping Mosley's wife butt. Embarrasing as hell.
Hear, hear!
It seems to me like some people don't understand that boxing is sport, like running on swimming. Sure, maybe MMA would be more efficient in real-life fight, but you know what would be *even* more effective? Krav maga. Or even better, a gun. So who cares what *sport* is better as *real life skill*? It's like dismissing olympic running because it wouldn't be useful in urban enviroments, and saying that steeplechase is better. Maybe McGregor would win with Floyd in real fight, but Floyd is an athlete, sportsman.
But yeah, I really hope that event will bring people rather to boxing than to MMA.
Btw, I'm really glad that many of those names that dominated last decade are retiring: Money, Klitschkos, Cotto, (hopefully soon) Pacquiao... Great fighters, but I welcome generation change.
Money : he was done with boxing after Berto to me. This fight was nothing more than a glorified sparring session. It was sanctionned by NSAC, but really shouldn't have been.
Pacquiao : even though I believe he should have won against Horn, he's nowhere as good as the really dynamic fighter he was even 5 years ago. I think he'll fight Horn again only to prove his point, but should REALLY retire after that.
Cotto : I read that he want the Canelo/Golovkin winner in december. C'mon. You beated Kamegai last night, not Jacobs. Kamegai is a game and willing opponent, but of limited talent at this level. Canelo already beated Cotto and Golovkin would be too big for him. He should get out now and wait for the Hall of Fame to call.
W. Klitschko : a nice champion that I appreciated. His fight with Joshua is probably the FOTY. A real throwback fight where both guys got up from the canvas. W.K. could have won after the 6th, but couldn't pull the trigger. He went out proudly though, his performance was top notch. The best retirement I've seen in years, timing wise. I think his brother was the better of the two though.
Now it's time for the Lomachenkos, Crawfords and Joshuas to shine !!
Edit : In my previous post, I erased my comment about kung fu that still appear in your quote. I was trying to be funny, but disagree with this type of opinion at the end of the day. All aproach to martial arts possess something valid.
Man, Pacquaio hurts me the most because he is the man that got me interested into boxing. His fight with Hatton was first boxing match I watched in entirety and he was terrifying. Seeing him now is just sad.
But I believe good times are coming. Too bad it seems that Real-Life-Brad-Pitt-From-"The Snatch" a.k.a. Tyson Fury apparently is in some kind of semi-retirement. I don't agree with many of his comments, but this man was hilarious.
Then again, what exactly was I expecting, Mcgregor to admit he was painfully out of his element and was soundly outboxed?
As a side note, maybe we can edit the title of this thread slightly and turn into one about boxing in general?? Just a thought......
All in all, can't agree with you more on your analysis of the Maymac fight. MMA fans saying McGregor outboxed Mayweather for three rounds and only lost because of his stamina don't know much about boxing, or strategy in general for that matter.
Stamina is a massive part of boxing, and its a key element of earning a place in the upper echelons. Lots more guys could box if there was only a few rounds, and there is a reason street altercations are usually over quickly. I'd argue that a fighter with excellent stamina has a bigger advantage than a harder hitter, within reason. Many of the best boxers have relied heavily on their superior conditioning to win.
Yup, and it's weird that people didn't see that Floyd didn't even bother too attack in first three (or something) rounds. It was pretty obvious.
Which leads to the Golovkin/Canelo fight : I saw pics of Canelo's open workout yesterday and he looks huge right now. I wonder if it will affect his stamina. Since he's still young, he still can cut a lot of weight on the balance, but right now he looks even bigger than against Chavez Jr, which was at a higher catchweight limit of 164. I don't know what to make of it, honestly. Is it his natural frame now that he made the move to middleweight ? Is he bulking up for the Golovkin fight ? If so, is that such a good idea ?
If Golovkin is not as sharp as his usual self, be it because of age or because he's less focused on the sport, or even a combination of those two factors, it's in the realm of possibilities that Canelo could win. This is what Oscar de la Hoya hopes for, at least (and why he waited so long to finalize the matchup). I'm just not sure that bulking up is the best way to go to make the fight against GGG competitive.
And yeah, I agree that Canelo is an overrated fighter : he had too many close calls swinging in his favor to be considered great.
McGregor fought like a guy who's never had a professional boxing match before, Mayweather fought like a guy who knew he could never, under any circumstances, lose to a guy who's never had a professional boxing match before - neither of which should've been particularly surprising, since that was the case in both instances.
As a boxing fan, I was disgusted that this sham of a "fight" ever took place, but even moreso that A) it overshadowed every other boxing event this year, including ones that had actual meaning,
As for Marciano's record, this never could have happened if you didn't have insanely arrogant UFC fans insisting Connor had the power to knock Floyd out, when Floyd has never even been officially knocked DOWN in his entire career (he should have had one against Zab Judah, but it was ruled a slip). It became a legitimate fight because UFC fans aren't too bright when it comes to boxing. All boxing fans knew it was a joke. That said, Floyd had beaten every one of his peers, handily in most cases, including schooling Canelo, who is one of the stars of the show tonight.
That and the historically pro-Canelo judges that were chosen to score the fight. Winning on the score cards will be very hard for GGG.