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BG2-Do you side with Bodhi or the Shadow Thieves?

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  • AureolAureol Member Posts: 53
    I haven't done either in a while due to an Alternatives mod adding a couple more options: http://www.gibberlings3.net/alternatives/

    Especially as a lawful good character, I couldn't see myself siding with rogues or vampires.

  • SmilingSwordSmilingSword Member Posts: 827
    Bodhi and her vampires
    Loot!!!
    Elven chain for my fighter mage if im playing one, but mostly the Rifthome Axe +3 cause i normally run Korgan as my main ranged dmg dealer who doubles as a squishy mage protector.

    Blackraven
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 9,587
    Bodhi and her vampires
    I often play SCS2, so siding with Bodhi lets me avoid fighting the vampires. But I also often play with Mazzy and Keldorn, more for their personalities than anything else, so sometimes I have to side with the Shadow Thieves, to keep Mazzy and Keldorn from leaving.

    Honestly, I don't see what's so appallingly, unacceptably evil about the vampires as opposed to the Shadow Thieves. Both of them are clearly vicious, self-interested organizations. Gaelan Bayle and Aran Linvail are friendly faces, but the Shadow Thieves are also full of people like Mae'var.

    I play Neutral Good characters most of the time. Why would they pass up an opportunity to take down a crime syndicate? Why would they pass up an opportunity to take down a nest of vampires? The biggest difference is that siding with Bodhi lets you delay fighting vampires until you're ready to take them on.

    lolien
  • iam1iam1 Member Posts: 43
    Bodhi and her vampires
    I prefer to work with Bodhi, but I find the thieves offer better rewards.

    lolien
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,361
    Bodhi and her vampires
    You can kick Mazzy out of your party then join Bodhi then re-join Mazzy. c:

    Yeah, I find both organisations pretty bad. At least you can join one then destroy both!

    lolien
  • T2avT2av Member Posts: 202
    Bodhi and her vampires
    Too many of yous are goody two shoes. I'm always neutral evil.. shadow thieves are weak, vampires strong. Survival of the fittest

    typo_tilly
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,361
    Bodhi and her vampires
    And then you kill 'em all.>:)

  • Mephisto66Mephisto66 Member Posts: 5
    siding with thieves as i mostly always do is much more better cause renal stays in guild and at chapter 6 after u come from underdark u can kill him and get his boots of speed so at tob u can have boots of speed for everyone :sunglasses: (dont do that in chapter 2. u know 1 single hit gameover)
    siding with bodhi the bitch makes ur progress easier towards brynlaw chapter and u can get a few extra items, +3 throwing axe and ring of djinni.
    well u can get amulet of power and mace of disruption in both alternative ways (1 is early, the other is late of chapter3 dependin who u side with) but come on dont u guys cry for "oh my god, level draining vampires. I'm gonna wet my sexy pants". I have more than 2m experience before paying 15k gold (imported from bg1) and with amulet of power, u can terminate with ur main'daystar, "the vampire terminator".
    In conclusion: ok rifthome axe and ring of djinni may be good yet boots of speed is best item in the game so SIDE WITH THE THIEVES. Get a cleric, equip your daystar, cast negative plane protection, turn undeads and smack the vampires. They are the devils "U KNOW".

  • DrakeICNDrakeICN Member Posts: 549
    edited April 16
    Bodhi and her vampires
    ...because the Shadow Thieves are the ones that actually kidnaps you and delivers you to Irenicus. I NEVER let go of a slight, if it is grave enough.

    Also, I have in some runs initially sided with the shadow thieves, until I find that gross effing torture master in their basement. I murder him on the spot, then change my mind about my allegiances.

  • borntodieborntodie Member Posts: 18
    Shadow Thieves
    I forced myself to try the Bodhi option one game to see the game content, will never do it again.

    First off, Gaelan Bayle and his little boy are adorable and I just cannot bring myself to betray the two of them. No matter how rotten some of the other shadow thieves are.

    Second, even if you play the most cynical selfish bastard ever, Bodhi just doesn't offer a reasonable deal. I have nothing against vampires as such, but her dialogue at the graveyard is not convincing at all. She admits she is involved with my biggest enemy Irenicus, but will not explain why or how. She doesn't really come up with any good reason why you should still work with her, beyond "thieves can't be trusted". Uh huh.

    ThacoBell
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,013
    Shadow Thieves
    with the exception of the one time i sided with bodi [ i did something similar with the legion in new vegas in a throw away run.] just to see what it was like i mostly side with the shadow thieves.

    Balrog99
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 5,853
    Shadow Thieves
    Psh yeah, screw pickpockets. Its the murderous VAMPIRES that are the trustworthy ones.

    AerakarBalrog99fluke13
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 2,479
    Shadow Thieves
    ThacoBell said:

    Psh yeah, screw pickpockets. Its the murderous VAMPIRES that are the trustworthy ones.



    Well, this one sure looks trustworthy. I guess I can see why Abdel Adrian sided with them...

    It's a picture of Vampirella btw.

    fluke13Aerakar
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 5,853
    Shadow Thieves
    She must have balance issues.

    Aerakar
  • DrakeICNDrakeICN Member Posts: 549
    Bodhi and her vampires
    Balrog99 said:

    ThacoBell said:

    Psh yeah, screw pickpockets. Its the murderous VAMPIRES that are the trustworthy ones.



    Well, this one sure looks trustworthy. I guess I can see why Abdel Adrian sided with them...

    It's a picture of Vampirella btw.
    She has to move as delicately as a (non-angry) swan, otherwise she will have a Janet Jackson moment.

    Balrog99AerakarChronicler
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 610
    Correct me if I remember this wrong, but isn't Bodhi actually the one who tells you that Gaelan Bayle represents the Shadow thieves? While he's more like "yeah, I know some fine dudes who can help you!" until you cough up the money.

    I mean, the Shadow thieves are like a Mexican drug cartel turned up to eleven. So Bodhi doesn't just say that she has valuable inside information on Irenicus, that she's looking for him too and that she'll offer you a cheaper deal. She also points out that, by the way, those other guys are the freaking Gulf Cartel. I usually don't side with Bodhi, but I think it makes sense that characters of any alignment would prefer to work for her in that moment.

    AedanAerakar
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 2,479
    Shadow Thieves
    ThacoBell said:

    She must have balance issues.

    I think she's leaning on the waterfall.

    ThacoBell
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 5,853
    Shadow Thieves
    @JoenSo From what I understand, the shadow thieves as shown in game, are more neutral than evil. They steal, they trade illegal goods and drugs, they have an organised prostition thing going on in the docks. But you never once encounter them attacking people in the streets (like you constantly see Bohdi's people doing), they don't deal in slavery (the slavers are their own organization), and Arkanis Gath even patrols certain districts at night specifically to hunt the vampires that are killing people. They definitely aren't good, but they are certainly the lesser of two evils.

    Meanwhile the vampires slaughter wantonly and have literal blood pool parties.

    JoenSoAerakarAedan
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 610
    edited July 7
    They also kill a whole lot of their own members, murder anyone considered a rival/threat and have no problems with torture. As we see in Irenicus' dungeon, they will happily kill any bystander too, just in case.

    And Bodhi's people only attack the Shadow thieves in the streets, right?

    I do think they are the lesser evil, but not by much. And I wrote my previous post with the perspective of Charname in mind. Charname might have heard of all the nasty stuff the Shadow thieves do (as Bodhi implies you have). So maybe you prefer to take a chance with the lesser known evil instead.

    Aerakar
  • batoorbatoor Member Posts: 595
    edited July 7
    Hey they can't eat food or drink beer anymore. What other fun parties are vampires supposed to throw?!

    JoenSo
  • murmandamusmurmandamus Member Posts: 34
    Siding with both can be justified by character, exept maybe by paladin. Anyway most of runs i side with Shadow Thieves because attacking their base is just so annoying comparing for enjoyable attack on Bodhi base.

  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 610
    batoor said:

    Hey they can't eat food or drink beer anymore. What other fun parties are vampires supposed to throw?!

    After all, they never drink... wine.

    batoorAerakarBalrog99
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,013
    Shadow Thieves
    the best option really is just install alternatives and siding with the city gaurd.

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 5,853
    Shadow Thieves
    @JoenSo They kill torture their own members that break their rules (like killing other thieves). They don't attack or kill law abiding citizens (after all, who else will tehy steal from). They essentially have an agreement with the city council and only target a certain number of people/numbers stolen. They have to regulate themselves very tightly to avoid bringing down the wrath of the guard or even the paladin order right in the same town. They are, ironically, more lawful than the thieves guild in baldur's gate. Note that the brief survivors in Irenicus' dungeon just witnessed everthing from dppelgangers, to murderous clones, to golems, to awe inspiring acts of magical destruction. Why would trust some random person who comes to them claims to be friendly?

    Also note that all the thieves that aren't blatantly killed in the streets (with Irenicus even noting that Bohdi is killing FAR more people than she should), all of the capture thieves are being sent alive to Irenicus. So, where do they get all the blood for the multiple blood fountains from? There is a general curfew going on in Athkatla because of how dangerous it is to be out after dark now, BECAUSE OF THE VAMPIRES.

    I'd say that Bohdi makes the shadow thieves look downright chaotic good by comparison.

    @megamike15 That path unnerved me almost as much as Bodhi. You aren't siding with the city guards, but a rogue noble who has bribed enough people to turn a blind eye to wanton slaughter. Bodhi and her ilk definitely deserve it, but most of the thieve's guilds members are guilty of nothing worse than pickpocketing or fencing items. And you are expected to run in and indiscriminantly slaughter EVERYONE.

  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,013
    Shadow Thieves
    then in the end there is no true good answer.

    ThacoBellAedan
  • ChroniclerChronicler Member Posts: 249
    Shadow Thieves
    Once I tried siding with Bodhi and like half my party left right off the bat.

    I expected Keldorn, but I thought the others would be more flexible.

  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 2,607
    Just for thought, IIRC, two of the options given in the thief stronghold that one gets, involve possible instructions for operatives that provide 'pest removal' (assassinations), and slave trafficking. The trafficking if I recall is as a middle-man service (not exactly good folks here), but, being as Renal stock's the guild for PC in advance of handing over control, he sure as heck as a crew that is involved in more than purse lifting. I always thought the vamps were a little more straight-forward in there intentions, warnings, and conversations. I'd trust a vamp to be a vamp but the shadow thieves, pheh, no telling if they would shank ya from one minute to the next.
    For that matter, in BG1, if you turn down the chance to assist Alatos, he will attack immediately. If Bodhi's offer is turned down,well, she at least gives you fair warning and the heads up that next meeting will not go well. Still, as far as siding with one over the other just depends on my PC's nature at the time, as I like both options.

  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 9,587
    Bodhi and her vampires
    Bear in mind that Charname doesn't know the vast majority of these details until after s/he chooses a side. The only information that Charname has about the Shadow Thieves comes from the Mae'Var questline, which can look better or worse depending on whether you think Renal or Mae'Var better represents the guild, and all Charname knows about Bodhi's guild is that they've been killing the Shadow Thieves--not killing random citizens.

    JoenSo
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 610
    It does feel like a Godfather kind of situation where Sollozo/Bodhi shows up from nowhere and throws a monkey wrench into the established order of the underworld.

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