How dows a roll of 18 looks in each stat? How about a roll of 3?
MonoCanalla
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In other words, 18 Str is to be very jacked, right? What if you are shorty but musculated? Lowers it to 15-16 or you can still be 18? Actually, to have high Str do you always have to be a He-Man type of guy? How do I know my strength roll in real life?
Even more intriguing with Constitution. You have to be big or lean to be Con 18? You can’t be short and skinny although you still eat healthy and exercise? Con affects HP so that means you are big, right? My bet was like an athlete, not necessarily big but someone who can run a marathon.
Obviously this is related character creation and role playing.
Even more intriguing with Constitution. You have to be big or lean to be Con 18? You can’t be short and skinny although you still eat healthy and exercise? Con affects HP so that means you are big, right? My bet was like an athlete, not necessarily big but someone who can run a marathon.
Obviously this is related character creation and role playing.
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How much can you actually carry without being encumbered/slowing down? Compare that to the STR table.
As for constitution, I do not believe that it's such a visible attribute, since it involves your immunity system and ability to heal.
A character with 18 Constitution, however, would have calluses on their eyeballs.
*A strength score is equal to the stat number x10 that the creature can lift above its head. A human with an 18 strength (lift 180lbs above the head) and an additional percentile dice roll is able to lift 1 additional pound for every percentage point up to and including 50%, 4 pounds for every percentage point from 51% to 90%, and 8 pounds for each percentage point from 91 % to 00%. (18/00 about 470lbs or thereabouts). I never saw anything above 18/00 rated using that scale, just carrying load/encumbrance factors after that for 19+ strengths.
The actual appearance can vary, as mentioned, as one can have more or less body fat and still have the same strength rating. In general though, a higher strength will more than likely have more muscle mass regardless (but were not even getting into tendon and ligament attachment points, types of muscle fibers, and the size of the muscle bellies themselves).
It used to be asked 'how much can you (military) press', whereas now it has morphed into 'how much can ya bench press'. Kind of a shame really as the bench press has wrecked a few more shoulders and torn a few more pecs than the strongmen of the past did with shoulder/military presses. Not that I am against it as a rule, just sayin.
Constitution would be the harder one to measure compared to strength I think, as there are more factors involved. I would say even more so when considering the varying methods of describing hit points in relation to damage taken, disease/fatigue resistance, duckin & dodging, fighting expertise, and ability to stand taking damage, etc.
Lawd, I didn't mean to go into that much detail but there it is.
Then there is Bruce Lee who wasn't interested in building muscle mass but could 80lb barbell for 8 reps, and had a max curl of 110lbs . Keep in mind, he weighed about 140 lbs.
Chuck Norris - "Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest".
Joe Lewis - "Bruce was incredibly strong for his size. He could take a 75lb barbell and from a standing position with the barbell held flush against his chest, he could slowly stick his arms out, lock them and hold the barbell there for 20 seconds, that's pretty damn tough for a guy who at the time only weighed 138lbs. I know 200lb weight lifters who can't do that."
Ted Wong - "Bruce would do a lot of different types of sit ups and bench presses. He was also using a technique like the Weider Heavy/Light Principle, working up to 160lbs in the bench press for three sets of 10 on his heavy days and then repping out for 20-30 reps with 100lbs on his light days. Bruce experimented successfully with partial reps, movements performed in only the strongest motion. He liked the fact that they were very explosive, sometimes he would do the bench press, using just the last 3 inches of the range of motion. It was the same range in which he would do some of his isometric exercises".
So you can be insanely strong and stay very agile and relatively lean.
Here, in this well-known classic Conan comic, his enemy looks taller, broader and more muscular than Conan:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5YsHcdKj67c/TOs8XTA_4kI/AAAAAAAAC1c/deSJO8JHoYk/s1600/Savage_Sword_of_Conan_014-28.jpg
Yet they try to strangle each other and Conan easily out-strengths (and/or out-cons) him and kills him:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5YsHcdKj67c/TOs78d4IdYI/AAAAAAAAC1E/dmWAzxj8zOk/s1600/Savage_Sword_of_Conan_014-31.jpg (a few pages are skipped while they are struggling)
Ofcourse it is CONAN, after all, but I think there is a ring of truth here. Some body builders look very muscular, they have almost baloon like muscles and biceps. However I think they are mostly for show, they are often not really strong, they tire out easily and other guys with well-defined and hardened muscles can beat them in strength contests. Also, there is the factor of adrenaline and in game terms, berserk/rage-many smaller people are known to perform outstanding strength feats when faced in a danger or panic situation.
For truly low scores it should be more apparent. Look up for emaciated African people photos or people in the final stages of full-blown aids. It is very apparent that they are at the end of their muscle strength/and hardy constitution.
Si it would be realistic to have a character that looks like Haer-Dalis or Valugar and yet have the same Str roll of Minsc or Sarevok? Like Bruce Lee, I mean...
But if we're judging strength alone then this is what I'd say 18str looks like.
Or maybe that'd be 19str...
What’s the Charisma of Obama?
Donald Trump?
How Charisma 3 looks like?
Serious answers, please.
Might want to start a new thread for this though.
My bet for Charisma 3 would be Joseph Merrick.
Also, Charisma must be fluid (as any stat should be). It could change and evolve.
A politician who speaks to large crowds and rallies them all behind his cause, charismatic.
A seer who foretells a frightening future only to be laughed out of town as a madman, less charismatic.
What? You know it's true.