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  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    mlnevese said:

    ThacoBell said:

    I wonder if any hip hop artists have claimed to have "pyroclastic flows."

    Sounds like a good name for a spell...
    I haven't played it since the 90s, but wasn't it a spell in Magic: The Gathering?

    Fun fact about syphilis, it could be cured by scarlet fever. For a very long time doctors noticed that people who had syphilis before catching scarlet fever, noticed that those who actually survived the fever, no longer had syphilis. Even if you lived through scarlet fever, it could leave you blind/deaf/brain damaged, though.

    The advanced stages of syphilis result in flesh rotting, particularly the nose and genitals. Combine that with leprosy, and you can imagine the medieval and renaissance as a time when the dead walked the Earth.
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,042
    edited November 2018

    mlnevese said:

    ThacoBell said:

    I wonder if any hip hop artists have claimed to have "pyroclastic flows."

    Sounds like a good name for a spell...
    I haven't played it since the 90s, but wasn't it a spell in Magic: The Gathering?

    No, that would be Pyroclasm. Not a great spell but it does often show up in the sideboard of Sneak and Show decks in Legacy (like the one which got first place in Las Vegas only two weeks ago).
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    mlnevese said:

    ThacoBell said:

    I wonder if any hip hop artists have claimed to have "pyroclastic flows."

    Sounds like a good name for a spell...
    Aganazzar's Ouchy Tornado? :)
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    There really was a unicorn and it existed in Siberia, not dying out until after it interacted with modern humans. It didn't look much like a horse though. More like a rhino.
    It died due to one of the subtler effects oc climate change. the disappearance of large area of grasslands, which it needed to survive. It was thought to have died out 200,000 years ago, but now it looks like it survived to 30,000 years ago. Its scientific name is "Elasmotherium'.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-27/siberian-unicorn-existed-alongside-early-humans/10555682?fbclid=IwAR2xdD6S8zjRJR6hVWWHvVWp1D8p9R_iKQY_NIF85N8Ip--0cMfI2CALErw
    The story of the Siberian unicorn is a timely reminder that even subtle changes in plant distributions can have devastating knock-on effects for large animal species.

    Another good series about little known facts of history is Extra Credits. It investigates some little-known times and facts of history and is extremely entertaining and informative.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2lhxUqMMQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9BTuBtCJs
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694

    LadyRhian said:

    Also, for the longest time, it was thought that everyone is Herculaneum, a small town near Pompeii, had escaped, because unlike Pompeii, no corpses were discovered on the streets. Then, about 20 years ago, they uncovered the docks area... and in the storehouses used to store the boats, they found bodies. Many, many bodies.
    Refugees trying to shelter from Vesuvius were fried alive by volcanic ash
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/4762420/Refugees-trying-to-shelter-from-Vesuvius-were-fried-alive-by-volcanic-ash.html

    It's difficult to excavate Herculaneum completely, because the modern town of Ercolano lies atop the ruins and the large amount of ash piled atop them, which has turned into rock.

    Huh, I didn't. I assumed they'd bought it. Herculaneum was hit by pyroclastic flows, those things travel upwards of 100-200 mph, and the city would have been hit within less than a minute of the start of the flows. And everyone would be dead in less than 10 seconds from that.

    Imagine getting hit by a tornado containing poisonous gas that's about 1500 degrees and pushing around a lot of hot rock from dust to boulder size.

    When Mt. Pelée erupted in 1902, it leveled a city of about 30,000 people from such and killed essentially everyone. Less than a dozen survived the immediate effects, and were either on the very edge of the flow or in one case, because he was locked in an interior underground room in the city (a jail specifically, he was under arrest) with no ventilation and thus somewhat insulated, and all were wounded.

    Ash, even when compacted into tuff (its "rock" equivalent) is pretty soft stuff, relatively speaking. It's almost more like a sedimentary rock like a siltstone.

    Edit-Funny enough, two songs later in the music mix I'm listening to, was 'Pompeii' by Bastille.
    One of the corpses in the boathouses they found was a young girl (14) with a baby. The baby was very well fed and taken care of, but the girl was not. They soon figured out that the girl was a slave, and the baby was that of her master and mistress, and she was probably the one taking care of him.

    https://moatmtv.weebly.com/herculaneum-skeletons.html
    http://ermakvagus.com/Europe/Italy/herculaneum/boat_docks_herculaneum.html

    The bodies are in such condition that archaeologists and scientists can tell that they died, and died quickly, when their skin was literally burnt off in the Pyroclastic flows. The first one his 500 degrees C (934 F). There were others, ranging from 100-400 degrees C 212- 848 F).

    I think the saddest thing, aside from the human bodies, is that of a dog in Pompeii which couldn't escape due to being chained to a door, which obviously died in agony.

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  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Prior to adding Blood Elves, Alliance outnumbered Horde on most World of Warcraft servers.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    In Overwatch, the tiny yellow bird that hangs out with Bastion is named Ganymede - a beautiful young boy from Greek mythology.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    Lucien, a Syrian living in the Roman empire during 2nd century AD wrote a story about a group of travelers blown off course and taken to the moon by a whirlwind. They become embroiled in a war between the people of the moon and the people of the sun.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_True_Story
    It's called A True Story as a satire of all the made up history books at the time, although a lot of Herodotus has been exonerated in more recent times. Herodotus clearly got a lot of things wrong, too though.

    Voltaire actually wrote a sci-fi story too. Micromegas, about an alien from Syrius, who's gigantic. He hooks up with another alien who's much smaller than him, but still giant by Earth standards, and heads to Earth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromégas
    It's a short read and is public domain
    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30123?msg=welcome_stranger
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    edited November 2018
    Phantasies, by George MacDonald, is the first modern fantasy story. So he is the father of Fantasy Literature. He also wrote "The Princess and the Goblin", which was made into an animated movie.

    The first Lord of the Rings Movie was shot into Rotoscoped animation. I actually remember seeing this in the movie theatre when I was a kid. The sequel "Return of the King" was made in full animation, and looks very different. Here's my favorite clip from the animated version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
    You have to admit, it's catchy...

    Here's one from the Rotoscoped one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpmZyTK2dI
    It was made and directed by Ralph Bakshi, who had also directed "Wizards".

    The first full-length novel was the Japanese "Tale of Genji" by Murasaki Shikibu. The most known (or unknown) work of science fiction is Somnium, by Johannes Kepler. He describes a trip to the moon and the orbit of the earth as seen from the moon.

    The difference between Science Fiction from Fantasy is the Sci-Fi (the modern version) is that it has to have an actual scientific basis. There is also "Science Fantasy", which uses a scientific gloss over what is actually fantasy.

    Henry the I of England had 29 kids. Only 5 were legitimate. On the other hand, Queen Anne of England bore 18 kids. Only 8 of them survived infancy and all predeceased her. This is why King George ! of Hanover became King. He, and the three other Georges who succeeded him, all quarreled with their sons. He and his family (and line, were pretty much hated in England. He was also the father of the George who was King over the Colonies and "lost" America.

    One song/poem about the Georges goes:
    I sing the Georges four,
    for Providence could stand no more
    Some say that by far the worst
    of them all was George the First.
    But still by some 'tis reckoned
    the worser still was George the Second
    No mortal ever said one word
    or good or bad of George the third
    When George the fourth from earth descended
    Thank God the line of Georges ended!

    At the same time Christianity was born, it was almost defeated by worship of another "Son of a God", Mithraism. Born of a rock, and with a baptism in actual blood (Possibly) of a bull, which was slaughtered over the person joining the religion. But it was primarily a religion of warriors and only men. Dionysus was another worshipped in a like way, and said to have once been mortal.

    Also, in the Bible, you can read about "Ashera Poles". In the early days of the Hebres, this was actually God's wife. They were deities of the Canaanite religion, and apparently, she was worshipped alongside him. She was a fertility goddess.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42154769/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/did-god-have-wife-scholar-says-he-did/#.XADsga2ZM9c

    The oldest Modern human remains found were in Jebel Imoud in Morocco in Northern Africa. The remains there are 300,000 years old. 8 skulls were found.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/skulls-found-morocco-human-origins-discover-archaeology-a8047906.html
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    LadyRhian said:

    Did you know Dogs used to be a kitchen tool? Highly sought after, even. They were made to run in wheels to turn meat on spits over a fire.

    The Best Kitchen Gadget of the 1600s Was a Small, Short-Legged Dog
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-best-kitchen-gadget-of-the-1600s-was-a-small-shortlegged-dog?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=atlas-page&fbclid=IwAR29PQ_t3PKHL1Ig8OH_pmvJ16V5UEHPD0Q6BYIi1qA7ohHQ_PvIpvm6yfk

    That's hilarious!
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Not so fun for the dog, one assumes. :)
  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 10,214
    LadyRhian said:

    Not so fun for the dog, one assumes. :)

    Well I wouldn't be so sure... The dog is outside and walking... two of the things dogs love to do the most :)
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Inside the kitchen and walking. A hot, noisy, smoky kitchen.
  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 10,214
    But walking! And food! :)
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    I always thought Saturday was "Suturday". I don't know where I got the idea from though.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694

    I always thought it kind of strange that for some reason, Saturn's in there with the days of the week. The rest of them are Germano/Nordic, but for some reason Saturn's in the mix. Seems like an odd one to add, too, since he wasn't exactly the nicest god, and got deposed by Jupiter.

    Speaking of, did you know that Hinduism (and hence Buddhism and Jainism), Zoroastrianism, the Greco/Roman pantheon as well as the Germano/Nordic pantheon, all share a common root?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_mythology

    Zoroastrianism was derived from an earlier polytheistic tradition, that eventually reduced the pantheon to a binary choice between Ahura Mazda (good) and Ahriman (evil). That's a really gross over simplification, but it's a general summary. What gets really interesting, to me, is that the Hindu term Deva becomes evil to the Persians (it's where we get the word devil), and that the Persian word Ahura becomes Asura in Hindu (evil spirits/gods).

    The Proto-Indo-Europeans gave rise also to the Celts. Most people think the Celts are a British/Irish/Welsh/Breton(Bretagne) phenomenon. But they actually stretched from India to the British isles. Also, Scotland and Ireland, through their languages, are very much alike. Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are not so dissimilar. Welsh Gaelic, on the other hand, has little in common with either Scots or Irish Gaelic. It has more in common with Breton/Bretagne than either of the others.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    Curious titbits: it's been known that since the 17th century, especially soon after wars ended rampaged, both impoverished and undernourished people ate Dachhase (literally meaning "rooftop rabbit") throughout Germany and parts of Austria. That being said... those were no long-eared rodents, but actually cats. Apparently if you cut their head, legs and tail off they'll look just like roast rabbit. And since cats like to climb... well, you can guess where that name comes from.
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 910
    Metropolis (1927) is one of the most famous silent films. But the cut that was shown back in 1927 is lost. There have been many attempts to restore the original movie. The last one was back in 2010 after some lost footage was found in Argentina.

    But back in the early 1980s, when there still weren't any real good versions available, David Bowie had the idea to buy the rights to Metropolis and release a restored version with a soundtrack he would write himself. Unfortunately, he never got the chance.

    Giorgio Moroder had the same idea and bought the rights to the movie before Bowie did. Apparently he ruined Bowie's whole week when he happily told him of his upcoming project (and Bowie decided to not tell him he had had the exact same idea).

    A bunch of different artists contributed to the new soundtrack. One of them was Freddie Mercury, with the song Love kills, which is the first song he recorded as a solo artist. Both the soundtrack and Love kills were nominated for Raspberry awards (and those aren't good if you didn't know).

    It hurts my heart a little that anyone ever thought that Freddie deserved a Raspberry award. And that we never got a David Bowie version of this movie.

    https://youtu.be/1wnLuiSIymY
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    I really SHOULD wathc metropolis. I love really old movies with fantastic aspects. King Kong being one of my all time faovrite movies, period.
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 910
    ThacoBell said:

    I really SHOULD wathc metropolis. I love really old movies with fantastic aspects. King Kong being one of my all time faovrite movies, period.

    It's a very interesting movie! And I like the whole German 1920s expressionism. It's been around ten years since I saw it, so before the lost footage was found. I don't remember which version I watched, but it might have been the one from 2001.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    The Caduceus (Staff of Hermes) has been confused as a medical symbol by the US Army Medical Corp and many medical institutions in the US.


    The actual symbol that should have been used was the Staff of Esclapius/Asclepius, the god of healing.

    It's thought the symbol may derive from an old technique of getting rid of guinea worm. You'd have to tie the worm to a small stick, and over the course of many days, twist the stick a bit, and slowly pull the worm out.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    edited December 2018
    @DrHappyAngry It also matches the story from the Old Testament of Moses using a staff and fake snake to cure a plague of poisonous snakes.

    *EDIT* VENOMOUS. Snakes are venomous. I know there wasn't a distinction at the time the OT was written, but dang it I can't let it slide.
    Post edited by ThacoBell on
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    A new cave has been discovered in Canada, likely the largest in Canada.
    Canadian Officials Stumble Upon "Immense" Cave Never Before Seen By Humans
    https://www.iflscience.com/environment/canadian-officials-stumble-upon-immense-cave-never-before-seen-by-humans/?fbclid=IwAR15sihkUVjO5X6LMt--wsgzFyUYesnFyT_61wkutgb-NjcpX6TSPzFBiKM
    There is speculation that it was hidden under snow before, and Global Climate Change has only now melted the snow and made it visible and discoverable.

    The cave has been temporarily named "The Sarlacc Pit".
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