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  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 910
    Today (the 22nd) it's exactly 300 years since Edward Teach, better known as Blackbeard the pirate, was killed off the shore of North Carolina after a force from the Royal Navy tracked him down.

    I felt this thread deserved to be revived just so I could say happy deathday, Edward.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    Did you know that the origin of witches riding broomsticks has NSFW origins? Nothing like a piece of wood coated in mild hallucinogenics for a good time.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the famous volcanic eruption of Krakatoa that occurred in the late 1800s is believed to have generated the loudest sound in recorded history. The explosion blew out the eardrums of sailors 40-50 miles away.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    The deadliest blizzard in recorded history occurred in Iran in 1972. The blizzard lasted for a full week and, in a tragically ironic twist, marked the end of a 4-year drought in the country. The blizzard dumped 10-26 feet of snow throughout the country and resulted in a minimum of 4,000 deaths (possibly as many as 6,000, according to the article linked below). Entire village populations were reported to have been killed.

    This was a contemporary report on the blizzard in the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1972/02/11/archives/missing-put-at-6000-in-iranian-blizzard.html
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    Did Ronald Reagan inadvertently meet a young Vladimir Putin during a trip to Moscow in the late 80s? Take a close look at the blonde-haired man on the left and judge for yourself.


  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    Speaking of volcanoes, the Laki fissure erupted in Ice Land a bit over 200 years ago, and some historians credit it with starting the French revolution for blocking out sunlight and reducing crop yields, thus causing a huge spike in food prices.

    Pliny the Elder died investigating the eruption at Vesuvius. It's thought that he died from toxic fumes emitted from the volcano.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    To elaborate on Cleopatra being Greek, when Alexander The Great died, his generals fought it out and grabbed up chunks of his empire. Ptolemy, one of his generals managed to seize Alexander's body and took it back to Alexandria in Egypt. There was a custom that whoever buried the Pharoah's body was the next Pharoah, so he was able to take control of Egypt. It's the reason why the era in between the Alexander and the Roman conquest is referred to as Ptolemaic Egypt. Most of the males of the line had the name Ptolemy and most of the women had the name Cleopatra. Until the Roman conquest, there was a Greek elite ruling Egypt. They adopted the religion, dress and customs of the Egyptians, however.

    She also did not likely die of an asp bite, as that would have been extremely painful and taken a very long time, and may not have done the job.

    We also have some idea of what she looked like, there are a ton of coins that bear her image, although a lot of them are conflicting.
    https://google.com/search?q=cleopatra+coin&client=ubuntu&hs=cup&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPm4C5v-zeAhUgIjQIHQWFAz8Q_AUIDigB&biw=1855&bih=944
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580



    We also have some idea of what she looked like, there are a ton of coins that bear her image, although a lot of them are conflicting.
    https://google.com/search?q=cleopatra+coin&client=ubuntu&hs=cup&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPm4C5v-zeAhUgIjQIHQWFAz8Q_AUIDigB&biw=1855&bih=944

    Which brings us to another lesser-known fact: she wasn't much of a looker. ;)
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580
    edited November 2018
    Double knockdowns (and even knockouts) like the one depicted at the end of "Rocky II" have occurred on very rare occasions throughout boxing history. The outcomes have varied, as have the manners in which refs approached these occurrences.

    This is probably the most (in)famous instance of a double KD, in which the ref elected to help up the second fighter to fall while counting out the first one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtr5zxGOAPE

    EDIT: And yes, you heard the man correctly at 0:37 when he says the title was won on a 40th-round KO.


    The is probably the most famous double KD from recent ('80s) memory:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9S_o5pinMg
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    Fact: Referees have been screwing over Browns' fans for much longer than the last few years. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePyioRZNABc


    Fact: The Patriots have been cheating long before Belichick was coach: :p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_MS4ASXe18
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    Have you ever wanted to surf a wave taller than the Empire State Building? Well, a young boy and his father may have done exactly that while fishing in Alaska's Lituya Bay in 1958.

    Lituya Bay has been the site of several so-called "mega-tsunami" waves throughout history, but it wasn't until 1958 that one was actually observed and documented. The event was triggered by an earthquake, which caused a large swath of mountainside to plummet almost vertically into the bay, generating a colossal tidal wave unlike any that has ever actually been documented before or since. The wave wiped away vegetation from along an adjacent mountainside as high as 1,700 feet from the initial water level (for comparison, the Empire State Building is roughly 1,500 feet tall). Amazingly, only a small handful (2 or 5, depending on reports) of people were killed.

    If you have about 10 minutes to spare, I recommend watching the three-part vid clips below:

    Part 1 - Investigating the area before the '58 tsunami:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uCZjqoRLjc


    Part 2- Account of the '58 event with interviews with the two survivors:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN6EgMMrhdI


    Part 3 - A visual explanation of how such a cataclysmic event occurred:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqbSsHp2q54
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    The longest football pass ever thrown was Fred Crawford threw a football 85 yards to Eddie Kawal according to stack.com, and the Rochester Journal.Google News Archive Search. But this was in the 30's, when footballs were smaller and thus, easier to throw long distances. In 2016, Jay Cutler threw a football 65 yards in a Hail Mary Pass.

    Neil Fingleton was the tallest actor in the world, at 7'7.56 inches. He took the crown from Gheorghe Muresan. By way of comparison, Richard Kiel, the actor who played JAWS in the James Bond Movies is *only* 7'2!

    The tallest actress was also 7'7, and her name was Sandy Allen. The Current tallest is Lindsay Kay Howard, who wrestled under the name of Isis the Amazon. She is 6'8 and 1/4. She lost 3/4 of an inch due to a slipped disc.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    The highest freefall jump ever completed, from a height in excess of 128,000 feet (basically, on the fringes of outer space):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0

  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    Kim Il-sung, the grandfather of the current dictator of North Korea, once met Deng Xiaoping, a major figure in the Chinese Communist party, and Deng's wife in a diplomatic meeting. There was a briefly awkward exchange because of the translator. Kim said that Deng's wife was pretty, and Deng's wife replied nali, nali.

    Nali, nali is a colloquial Chinese expression meaning "no, not at all." It's a polite way of accepting a compliment. But literally, the phrase means, "where, where?"

    The translator at the meeting apparently only knew the literal meaning. So when Deng's wife said nali, nali, the translator translated it as "Where?" And Kim, confused by the strange question, said, "...Everywhere!"
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,580

    Fact: People are fkking crazy. :o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUcxnvAeMc
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 957
    edited November 2018


    The highest freefall jump ever completed, from a height in excess of 128,000 feet (basically, on the fringes of outer space):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0

    I'd seen the jump before, but not the first bit when he was still in his balloon (starting about 3:45, just before he falls). So I'd never seen how SMALL the earth is from even about 24.2 miles away.

    Also, apparently that height record was broken 2 years later, to 135k feet.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    The World's Largest Pizza Ever Weighed 26,883 lbs
    The data is a bit sketchy, but here are relevant numbers: The pizza measured 122 feet, 8 inches in diameter, weighed 26,883 pounds, and contained 9,920 pounds of flour, 3,960 pounds of cheese, 1,763 pounds of mushrooms, 1,984 pounds of tomato puree, and 1,984 pounds of chopped tomatoes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=wBDW4NT8AG8

    and 10 of the World's largest vegetables....
    https://www.oddee.com/item_96650.aspx
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    And the best orchestral Flashmob?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBaHPND2QJg
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,768
    edited November 2018
    The children's novel Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang, the inspiration for the 1968 Dick Van Dyke film, was written by James Bond creator Ian Fleming and was published between Thunderball and The Spy Who Loved Me
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Alfred Hitchcock was afraid of Eggs (Ovophobia). He actually saw blood as a more cheery color than dripping egg yolk.
    https://www.tribute.ca/news/photo-galleries/strange-phobias-of-the-stars/alfred-hitchcock-ovophobia/?fbclid=IwAR0vH8YrlguTC0lAW3CJTbqQLNaeii1M0kvQCbVmTOkBk3UnOLwaob1ek40
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    The Surprise Symphony by Fredrick Haydn was supposed to wake up the audience... or so I've heard. It's goes so smoothly, then "DAAAH!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5kr251BRs

    Hadyn's "Farewell" Symphony-The tale of how the symphony was composed was told by Haydn in old age to his biographers Albert Christoph Dies and Georg August Griesinger.

    At that time, Haydn's patron Nikolaus I, Prince Esterházy was resident, together with all his musicians and retinue, at his favourite summer palace at Eszterháza in rural Hungary. The stay there had been longer than expected, and most of the musicians had been forced to leave their wives back at home in Eisenstadt, about a day's journey away. Longing to return, the musicians appealed to their Kapellmeister for help. The diplomatic Haydn, instead of making a direct appeal, put his request into the music of the symphony: during the final adagio each musician stops playing, snuffs out the candle on his music stand, and leaves in turn, so that at the end, there are just two muted violins left (played by Haydn himself and his concertmaster, Luigi Tomasini). Esterházy seems to have understood the message: the court returned to Eisenstadt the day following the performance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guFtLJjRuz4

    Beethoven's "Eroica" Symphony was originally written for Napoleon Buonoparte, when he was first Consul of France. But when Napoleon declared himself Emperor, Beethoven lost his esteem for Napoleon and changed the name to the "Eroica" or "Heroic" symphony.

    In writing this symphony, Beethoven had been thinking of Buonaparte, but Buonaparte while he was First Consul. At that time Beethoven had the highest esteem for him, and compared him to the greatest consuls of Ancient Rome. Not only I, but many of Beethoven's closer friends, saw this symphony on his table, beautifully copied in manuscript, with the word "Buonaparte" inscribed at the very top of the title-page and "Ludwig van Beethoven" at the very bottom ...
    I was the first to tell him the news that Buonaparte had declared himself Emperor, whereupon he broke into a rage and exclaimed, "So he is no more than a common mortal! Now, too, he will tread under foot all the rights of Man, indulge only his ambition; now he will think himself superior to all men, become a tyrant!" Beethoven went to the table, seized the top of the title-page, tore it in half and threw it on the floor. The page had to be recopied, and it was only now that the symphony received the title Sinfonia eroica.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4
    (fast-forward to 6:34 to hear the actual concert)

    "Giant Steps" by John Coltrane, is the most famous piece of music- and the most feared to play!.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Syphillis is beieved to have originated In the US, among Native American Tribes and "Gifted" back to Europeans, who brought their own diseases to America, where they ran rampant among population that had no resistance to them. However, a corpse with 3rd-stage Syphillis have been discovered in England. The man who had it was a monk, and 3rd-stage syphillis leaves little pits in the bones, making it easy to diagnose. Now, the "origins" of Syphillis is in doubt.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bWNF_eNwvI

    Also, for the longest time, it was thought that everyone is Herculaneum, a small town near Pompeii, had escaped, because unlike Pompeii, no corpses were discovered on the streets. Then, about 20 years ago, they uncovered the docks area... and in the storehouses used to store the boats, they found bodies. Many, many bodies.
    Refugees trying to shelter from Vesuvius were fried alive by volcanic ash
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/4762420/Refugees-trying-to-shelter-from-Vesuvius-were-fried-alive-by-volcanic-ash.html

    It's difficult to excavate Herculaneum completely, because the modern town of Ercolano lies atop the ruins and the large amount of ash piled atop them, which has turned into rock.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Intersting History Videos.... An overview.

    There is a series on Youtube called "Timeline" (you can see one of their videos above. Check this series out. Here are two interesting ones on new killers in homes in different times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nqq_nFkRcs (Victorian)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgbEVDi8Zdc (Tudor)
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 957
    edited November 2018
    LadyRhian said:

    Also, for the longest time, it was thought that everyone is Herculaneum, a small town near Pompeii, had escaped, because unlike Pompeii, no corpses were discovered on the streets. Then, about 20 years ago, they uncovered the docks area... and in the storehouses used to store the boats, they found bodies. Many, many bodies.
    Refugees trying to shelter from Vesuvius were fried alive by volcanic ash
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/4762420/Refugees-trying-to-shelter-from-Vesuvius-were-fried-alive-by-volcanic-ash.html

    It's difficult to excavate Herculaneum completely, because the modern town of Ercolano lies atop the ruins and the large amount of ash piled atop them, which has turned into rock.

    Huh, I didn't. I assumed they'd bought it. Herculaneum was hit by pyroclastic flows, those things travel upwards of 100-200 mph, and the city would have been hit within less than a minute of the start of the flows. And everyone would be dead in less than 10 seconds from that.

    Imagine getting hit by a tornado containing poisonous gas that's about 1500 degrees and pushing around a lot of hot rock from dust to boulder size.

    When Mt. Pelée erupted in 1902, it leveled a city of about 30,000 people from such and killed essentially everyone. Less than a dozen survived the immediate effects, and were either on the very edge of the flow or in one case, because he was locked in an interior underground room in the city (a jail specifically, he was under arrest) with no ventilation and thus somewhat insulated, and all were wounded.

    Ash, even when compacted into tuff (its "rock" equivalent) is pretty soft stuff, relatively speaking. It's almost more like a sedimentary rock like a siltstone.

    Edit-Funny enough, two songs later in the music mix I'm listening to, was 'Pompeii' by Bastille.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    I wonder if any hip hop artists have claimed to have "pyroclastic flows."
  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 10,214
    ThacoBell said:

    I wonder if any hip hop artists have claimed to have "pyroclastic flows."

    Sounds like a good name for a spell...
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