It's my understanding that millenials do work more hours per week than other generations, largely because our wages are significantly lower and many of us have large student loan debts due to skyrocketing tuition costs. It's interesting that the most educated generation and the generation that works the most hours is also by far the poorest.
To be fair, NIH says 34.9% of 18- to 25-year-olds have used marijuana or hash in the last year, compared to 12.2% for 26 and up [source]. And in 2016, per the Census Bureau, "citizens 65 years and older reported higher turnout (70.9 percent) than 45- to 64-year-olds (66.6 percent), 30- to 44-year-olds (58.7 percent) and 18- to 29-year-olds (46.1 percent)" [source].
I knew the statistics before I commented. I didn't pull the sarcasm completely out of my ass. You beat me to the punch-line @joluv !
Yeah, nevermind that millenials are THE most productive generation in this country so far, we must all be pot smoking lazy good for nothings.
That's up for debate. I'm not afraid to use the super-computer at my fingertips either and I'm not a millennial. I know many Gen-X'ers that haven't got a clue what they have at their disposal technology-wise so the point out there about Millennials being more plugged-in and techno-savvy has validity. However, working with, interviewing and training Millenials has shown me a few of their drawbacks as well. They seem to have no clue about working towards something, to the point where most interviewees are asking about management positions right out of college before they even demonstrate that they're skilled at what their being hired for. Their problem-solving skills are marginal at-best and trust me, your phone can't solve every problem. The most obvious thing I see is that they don't pick up after themselves! Hardly any of them. Im only talking about the Americans here. The interns we've gotten from Europe have been much better in regards to all of those points so it may just be a cultural thing.
If we're gonna get into a generational shit-talking fest, then the other side of the coin is that the baby-boomers have necessarily concocted this narrative about the current generation to excuse the fact that, on a macro level, they were handed everything and then pulled the ladder up from behind them once they hit middle-age. Having graduated in 2000, I'm essentially sitting on the fence of Gen-X and the Millenial generation (I'm technically the later but have way more cultural touchstones in the former). All I see is all I've ever seen when older people talk about young people, which amounts to alot of "get off my lawn".
If we're gonna get into a generational shit-talking fest, then the other side of the coin is that the baby-boomers have necessarily concocted this narrative about the current generation to excuse the fact that, on a macro level, they were handed everything and then pulled the ladder up from behind them once they hit middle-age. Having graduated in 2000, I'm essentially sitting on the fence of Gen-X and the Millenial generation (I'm technically the later but have way more cultural touchstones in the former). All I see is all I've ever seen when older people talk about young people, which amounts to alot of "get off my lawn".
It's true that the boomer generation was lucky in the economic sense; in my parents generation everyone got a job, education was cheaper and typical blue-collar jobs paid enough to buy a home for and maintain a family on a single salary.
If we're gonna get into a generational shit-talking fest, then the other side of the coin is that the baby-boomers have necessarily concocted this narrative about the current generation to excuse the fact that, on a macro level, they were handed everything and then pulled the ladder up from behind them once they hit middle-age. Having graduated in 2000, I'm essentially sitting on the fence of Gen-X and the Millenial generation (I'm technically the later but have way more cultural touchstones in the former). All I see is all I've ever seen when older people talk about young people, which amounts to alot of "get off my lawn".
I'm straddling the fence between Boomer and Gen-X myself (1967 birthday). The Boomers robbed the bank and I point it out to my folks all the time. They were able to retire with full-pension and full health-care benefits for the rest of their lives when they were 55 years old. They've been living the good life for almost 20 years now. Good luck finding that gravy-train now...
Bear in mind that age is a "protected class" per the thread rules, just like race, sex, religion, and political affiliation. Trash-talking large demographics is not allowed.
If we're talking about political policies that happened to coincide with the lifetimes of certain generations, those policies are up for debate and criticism, of course.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
Wikipedia says "millenial" generally refers to people born in the 1980's to early 2000's at latest, and Generation Y is the mid-90's to mid-2000s'. Apparently there's some overlap. I'm 1990, so I'd be a millenial.
Basically, most millenials are out of school, currently in the workforce, and the ones that have kids have very young kids (we tend to marry and have kids very late). Generation Y would mostly still be in school right now.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
I understand the designations, but as someone who graduated in the year 2000, my experiences growing up were clearly formed more by the decade of the '90s than anything else. Laptops and cell-phones were NOT universal and standard at that time. They existed, but they were the exception, not the rule. I didn't get a cell phone until at least two years later.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
I understand the designations, but as someone who graduated in the year 2000, my experiences growing up were clearly formed more by the decade of the '90s than anything else. Laptops and cell-phones were NOT universal and standard at that time. They existed, but they were the exception, not the rule. I didn't get a cell phone until at least two years later.
Graduated what? Anyway, I'm not arguing for any designations, I'm just saying @subtledoctor 's logic doesn't work. FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
I understand the designations, but as someone who graduated in the year 2000, my experiences growing up were clearly formed more by the decade of the '90s than anything else. Laptops and cell-phones were NOT universal and standard at that time. They existed, but they were the exception, not the rule. I didn't get a cell phone until at least two years later.
Graduated what? Anyway, I'm not arguing for any designations, I'm just saying @subtledoctor 's logic doesn't work. FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
High School. The internet EXISTED in the late '90s, but it wasn't like it was in any way easy to access outside schools and colleges. For most of this time, the ONLY way people in my hometown could access it was by calling into the school computer lab, and only ONE person could do this at a time. Now, my dad was a teacher, so we had access to it, but almost no one else did. I still vividly remember staying at my friend's house for the night around '96 and '97 and there were literally 4 or 5 of us huddled around the computer screen waiting for naked pictures to load for 10-15 minutes apiece. It was still the Netscape/Lycos/Geocities era, and it wasn't remotely mainstream yet. Only around '99 did home dial-up start getting offered outside of AOL. It would still be years before broadband. Exactly one of my friends had a cell-phone, and it was in her car and probably weighed ten pounds. We called it the Zack Morris phone (in reference to the size of Zack's phone in "Save by the Bell".
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
Well there you go: if you need a cutoff date (keeping in mind such things can never have really hard cutoff dates) then I'd peg it somewhere in the late 80s. Maybe between '87 and '90.
I have friends born in the 1980-1984 range, and they do NOT identify as millenials. Just have a whole different outlook. And different economic position - they are currently ~35 year-olds, in the middle of their careers, approaching middle-age, often with growing children. Not what most people think of when they say millenial.
That's what I think of as Gen Y, still using that term as it was used 20 years ago: approaching middle age now, too old to be considered millenial, and with a mindset thst more closely resembles that of Gen X (it helps that most of my friends in this category are younger siblings of proper Gen Xers); but also too young to have taken meaningful part in the cultural and economic events and opportunities that Gen Xers had.
Of course this stuff is all pretty fluid. I guess the tl;dr is, I don't know how you call a 40-year-old with a couple kids a "millenial."
FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
I completely agree. That's actually as good a test as any I could come up with: if you had a cell phone before college, you're a millenial. If you didn't have a cell phone until after school when you were an adult with a job, and cannot imagine having had a cell phone as a kid, then you are Gen X.
Incidentally I really cannot imagine what it must be like to have had a cell phone your whole life. Like, to go your whole life without ever getting lost... it boggles my mind. And makes me a little sad.
I'm old enough for my family to have had a 'party-line' when I was younger. Google it if you want to see what a fossil I am!
And yet they signed the Paris Climate Accords. Republicans in America won't even allow that much of a token effort a recognition that there is a major problem facing us all.
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I saw someone say on another forum that wasn't sure if they were Gen X or Millennial or something else that if you knew about the Challenger you were probably Gen X.
Do you remember a time without personal computers? < Baby Boomer
Do you remember a time without Internet? < Gen X
Do you remember the sound of dial up internet? < Gen Y
Do you remember a time without YouTube/Facebook < Millennial
None of the above >>Undetermined catchy name<<
Pretty accurate. Very accurate, actually. Knew about Gen X as a concept because of "Reality Bites" and "Singles". Never identified as a Millennial but sympathized with them. I never even knew my time-frame had a moniker like Gen Y.
Arriving at Ulgoth's Beard the party went invisibly to talk to Shandalar and get sent to Ice Island. Star started off by going through there invisibly to remove all the traps. The mages then died easily enough - netting Frisky Bits a remove magic and stoneskin for her repertoire. The stoneskin is particularly useful as SCS enemies routinely target her, so stoneskin provides a way to encourage a backstabber to show himself safely. I set traps for Shandalar as he was teleporting away, but failed to do too much damage to him and he disappeared.
Next they obtained some sea charts and set sail for Balduran's Isle. After reporting to Kaishas Gan they went to clear the beasts from the other side of the island - using up some of the multitude of magic ammunition brought for the purpose. The creatures in the first 2 levels of the ship were led outside into a skeleton ambush. After a rest the same sort of thing was done for the third and fourth level. Weapons were not used against the greater werewolf, but it got wand attacks. The first round of 2 magic missiles, a frost blast and 3 heavenly blasts hurt it badly. Fast regeneration had it back up to slightly wounded in a round, but another set of blasts took it to 5 HPs. I thought it would go down in the 3rd round, but in fact there was still a magic missile on the way from the second round and that proved to be enough.
After talking with Kaishas I knew it wasn't possible to rest much as lychanthropy would kick in, so I cleared the island using up quite a bit of my hoarded magical ammunition. It was more difficult to do that without taking damage going through the narrow passages in the maze and I brought out a nymph to help heal up a bit before exiting. After killing the nymph I exited and produced a skeleton army and made Cuwaert and Star (who have less magic damage capability) invisible.
I tried to resolve the situation peacefully with Kaishas, but unsurprisingly she seemed determined to fight. With skeletons blocking her and invisible characters preventing wolfwere reinforcements arriving there should have been plenty of time to take her down even if she got lucky. However, she got unlucky instead - the first 3 attacks all bypassing her magic resistance were sufficient to finish her off.
Back on the mainland Mendas was far luckier. He managed to catch 2 of the party in an emotion and they sat out the whole combat while Mendas resisted many wand attacks. Eventually they recovered just seconds before Mendas was finally burnt up.
That still left the rest of Durlag's Tower and after sorting out inventory they travelled there. The skeleton archers near the ahirukuru provided more magic arrows before the greater wyverns failed to get past invisible blockers. For the elemental rooms:
- the winter wolves in the cold area were pulled back outside, while Cuwaert tanked Kaldron with his rage.
- in the air area the Air Aspect was doing better than I hoped against Cuwaert and Falesia, but Sky pulled out a big critical to avoid having to try and make a run for it. The invisible stalkers revealed themselves to a skeleton and were webbed.
- the Phoenix guards fell to buffed skeletons.
- I killed the fission slime with fire arrows. However, the chessboard fight did not trigger even when I revisited the other areas. Loading the save I killed the slime again with pure fire damage, but that made no apparent difference.
I know this transition has always been troublesome and that's even more the case with SCS, so I decided to use the console to travel to the chessboard. I hadn't appreciated (though I should have done) that would put them immediately in sight of the opposition. A well-judged round of fireballs killed most of the attackers, but I also hadn't appreciated (though again perhaps should have done) that in this fight the opposition would all target the PC (as the king), rather than one of the weaker characters as normal for SCS. I assume I could have avoided that by Sky taking an invisibility potion immediately on arrival, but as it was he took rapid damage from a knight in melee and two rooks firing arrows. One of the rooks was finished off almost immediately by missile fire, but there was no chance of killing the others before they got further attacks - which would probably kill Sky before his aura cleared and he could go invisible. In desperation I tried to shuffle other characters round to at least give Sky a chance of avoiding melee attacks. I knew that was dangerous, though it wasn't at all obvious how the game would treat movement as on arrival half the party were placed on the lines between squares and I wasn't sure in which direction (if any) movement might be allowed. It quickly became apparent though that this was not going to be a lucky day as one bolt of lightning came directly at him and took a few more HPs away (I would guess his own movement triggered that one). Further bolts were on the way though and may have killed him, though that could also have been the result of the rook's shots. As a consolation, there was just time during the production of the end screen for Frisky Bits to kill the opposing king - so I guess we could put that contest down as a stalemate .
I was born in 1986. I'm pretty close to the living definition of a Millennial. I started college before the Great Recession, and finished in the early days of recovery. I don't own a home. I don't have kids. I could afford the latter but not the former.
I had a cellphone in high school, and I do remember the sound of dial-up internet (admittedly - I had a privileged upbrining. My dad was a doctor).
It drives me nuts to hear Baby Boomers and Gen Xers talk down to Millennials. It's so pervaisive that I know other Millennials that talk down to their own generation.
FWIW - I also push back against anyone talking down to Gen Zers (I hadn't heard Gen Y used for the generation after mine before. I usually heard it used as a small segue from X to Millennial).
I think a lot of the distinction is also cultural. My brother is 7years older than me, edge of X and Y - but culturally he's more Millennial than anything.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
Well there you go: if you need a cutoff date (keeping in mind such things can never have really hard cutoff dates) then I'd peg it somewhere in the late 80s. Maybe between '87 and '90.
I have friends born in the 1980-1984 range, and they do NOT identify as millenials. Just have a whole different outlook. And different economic position - they are currently ~35 year-olds, in the middle of their careers, approaching middle-age, often with growing children. Not what most people think of when they say millenial.
That's what I think of as Gen Y, still using that term as it was used 20 years ago: approaching middle age now, too old to be considered millenial, and with a mindset thst more closely resembles that of Gen X (it helps that most of my friends in this category are younger siblings of proper Gen Xers); but also too young to have taken meaningful part in the cultural and economic events and opportunities that Gen Xers had.
Of course this stuff is all pretty fluid. I guess the tl;dr is, I don't know how you call a 40-year-old with a couple kids a "millenial."
FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
I completely agree. That's actually as good a test as any I could come up with: if you had a cell phone before college, you're a millenial. If you didn't have a cell phone until after school when you were an adult with a job, and cannot imagine having had a cell phone as a kid, then you are Gen X.
Incidentally I really cannot imagine what it must be like to have had a cell phone your whole life. Like, to go your whole life without ever getting lost... it boggles my mind. And makes me a little sad.
I'm old enough for my family to have had a 'party-line' when I was younger. Google it if you want to see what a fossil I am!
I remember our black and white TV that only got 4 channels (2 of the 3 networks, plus PBS and an indie UHF station.) My grandfather's cottage had an outhouse, but it wasn't a primary residence.
And like @jjstraka34 's experience of waiting 15 minutes for nudie downloads, I remember sleepovers at the house of our one friend who had cable, using the tuning wheel on that clunky wired remote to try to get the Playboy channel and Skinemax clear enough to see some boobs.
One thing that I realize reading these accounts is that not only is it hard to pin down a time that these different labels are supposed to apply to, where you live would affect the transitions also. Someone from an affluent suburb of NY or LA probably had cellphones and the Internet well before those of us from small Midwestern towns.
So if you came of age (more or less, became a teenager) in the 90s, I don't think you qualify as a millenial. If you came of age in the 2000s, you're a millenial. For those born between 1980 and 1990: sorry, not everyone needs to have one of these silly generational group monikers... if you insist though, in my mind you'll always be Gen Y.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
Well there you go: if you need a cutoff date (keeping in mind such things can never have really hard cutoff dates) then I'd peg it somewhere in the late 80s. Maybe between '87 and '90.
I have friends born in the 1980-1984 range, and they do NOT identify as millenials. Just have a whole different outlook. And different economic position - they are currently ~35 year-olds, in the middle of their careers, approaching middle-age, often with growing children. Not what most people think of when they say millenial.
That's what I think of as Gen Y, still using that term as it was used 20 years ago: approaching middle age now, too old to be considered millenial, and with a mindset thst more closely resembles that of Gen X (it helps that most of my friends in this category are younger siblings of proper Gen Xers); but also too young to have taken meaningful part in the cultural and economic events and opportunities that Gen Xers had.
Of course this stuff is all pretty fluid. I guess the tl;dr is, I don't know how you call a 40-year-old with a couple kids a "millenial."
FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
I completely agree. That's actually as good a test as any I could come up with: if you had a cell phone before college, you're a millenial. If you didn't have a cell phone until after school when you were an adult with a job, and cannot imagine having had a cell phone as a kid, then you are Gen X.
Incidentally I really cannot imagine what it must be like to have had a cell phone your whole life. Like, to go your whole life without ever getting lost... it boggles my mind. And makes me a little sad.
I'm old enough for my family to have had a 'party-line' when I was younger. Google it if you want to see what a fossil I am!
I remember our black and white TV that only got 4 channels (2 of the 3 networks, plus PBS and an indie UHF station.) My grandfather's cottage had an outhouse, but it wasn't a primary residence.
And like @jjstraka34 's experience of waiting 15 minutes for nudie downloads, I remember sleepovers at the house of our one friend who had cable, using the tuning wheel on that clunky wired remote to try to get the Playboy channel and Skinemax clear enough to see some boobs.
One thing that I realize reading these accounts is that not only is it hard to pin down a time that these different labels are supposed to apply to, where you live would affect the transitions also. Someone from an affluent suburb of NY or LA probably had cellphones and the Internet well before those of us from small Midwestern towns.
That’s why there are overlap in years. And like most stereotypes, generational statistics do have exceptions to the norm.
To be fair, NIH says 34.9% of 18- to 25-year-olds have used marijuana or hash in the last year, compared to 12.2% for 26 and up [source]. And in 2016, per the Census Bureau, "citizens 65 years and older reported higher turnout (70.9 percent) than 45- to 64-year-olds (66.6 percent), 30- to 44-year-olds (58.7 percent) and 18- to 29-year-olds (46.1 percent)" [source].
I knew the statistics before I commented. I didn't pull the sarcasm completely out of my ass. You beat me to the punch-line @joluv !
Yeah, nevermind that millenials are THE most productive generation in this country so far, we must all be pot smoking lazy good for nothings.
That's up for debate. I'm not afraid to use the super-computer at my fingertips either and I'm not a millennial. I know many Gen-X'ers that haven't got a clue what they have at their disposal technology-wise so the point out there about Millennials being more plugged-in and techno-savvy has validity. However, working with, interviewing and training Millenials has shown me a few of their drawbacks as well. They seem to have no clue about working towards something, to the point where most interviewees are asking about management positions right out of college before they even demonstrate that they're skilled at what their being hired for. Their problem-solving skills are marginal at-best and trust me, your phone can't solve every problem. The most obvious thing I see is that they don't pick up after themselves! Hardly any of them. Im only talking about the Americans here. The interns we've gotten from Europe have been much better in regards to all of those points so it may just be a cultural thing.
No, my comment is based on the actual statistics. You just seem determined to crap on an entire generation for zero reason whatsoever. Its just the same crap throwing I see in politics these days and I have zero tolerance for it.
Speaking of crap throwing, let's end this tangent before it crosses the Site Rules. Any further comments along these lines will be deleted. The thread and the community are better off without it.
To be fair, NIH says 34.9% of 18- to 25-year-olds have used marijuana or hash in the last year, compared to 12.2% for 26 and up [source]. And in 2016, per the Census Bureau, "citizens 65 years and older reported higher turnout (70.9 percent) than 45- to 64-year-olds (66.6 percent), 30- to 44-year-olds (58.7 percent) and 18- to 29-year-olds (46.1 percent)" [source].
I knew the statistics before I commented. I didn't pull the sarcasm completely out of my ass. You beat me to the punch-line @joluv !
Yeah, nevermind that millenials are THE most productive generation in this country so far, we must all be pot smoking lazy good for nothings.
That's up for debate. I'm not afraid to use the super-computer at my fingertips either and I'm not a millennial. I know many Gen-X'ers that haven't got a clue what they have at their disposal technology-wise so the point out there about Millennials being more plugged-in and techno-savvy has validity. However, working with, interviewing and training Millenials has shown me a few of their drawbacks as well. They seem to have no clue about working towards something, to the point where most interviewees are asking about management positions right out of college before they even demonstrate that they're skilled at what their being hired for. Their problem-solving skills are marginal at-best and trust me, your phone can't solve every problem. The most obvious thing I see is that they don't pick up after themselves! Hardly any of them. Im only talking about the Americans here. The interns we've gotten from Europe have been much better in regards to all of those points so it may just be a cultural thing.
No, my comment is based on the actual statistics. You just seem determined to crap on an entire generation for zero reason whatsoever. Its just the same crap throwing I see in politics these days and I have zero tolerance for it.
Didn't mean to offend you @ThacoBell . I like you and your unique viewpoints. I didn't even know you were a Millennial until you mentioned it. My sarcasm is never meant to insult, just a means of prodding people for their ideas. I find that getting people fired up is a good way to figure out how they really think. I can stoke up my Irish at will just to argue the most minor of points sometimes, and I do it to make people think and get insight into their point of view. That explains why I'm so popular with my family and friends...
Having said that, I did manage to start an interesting discussion of generational differences. I just didnt realize folks would be so touchy about it. I find stereotypes amusing in that there are grains of truth in them even if they don't apply to everybody. I wouldn't take offense if anybody ripped on Gen-Xers but we seem to be relatively stereotype free for some reason.
So that neonazi sympathizer who mowed down people with his car killing one at the unite the right rally in Charoletteville pleaded guilty to 29 charges of hate crimes.
He struck a deal with the prosecution to avoid the death penalty. He is now sentenced to life in prison.
So that neonazi sympathizer who mowed down people with his car killing one at the unite the right rally in Charoletteville pleaded guilty to 29 charges of hate crimes.
He struck a deal with the prosecution to avoid the death penalty. He is now sentenced to life in prison.
Great, now we have to pay for his three squares and cable TV for the rest of his life. I really wish we had some island in the middle of nowhere we could drop these assholes off on and just let them fend for themselves for the rest of their lives. There must be some atoll in the South Pacific that nobody lives on...
Speaking of crap throwing, let's end this tangent before it crosses the Site Rules. Any further comments along these lines will be deleted. The thread and the community are better off without it.
Well, at least I got us talking about something other than Trump and the Mueller Report for a while...
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That's up for debate. I'm not afraid to use the super-computer at my fingertips either and I'm not a millennial. I know many Gen-X'ers that haven't got a clue what they have at their disposal technology-wise so the point out there about Millennials being more plugged-in and techno-savvy has validity. However, working with, interviewing and training Millenials has shown me a few of their drawbacks as well. They seem to have no clue about working towards something, to the point where most interviewees are asking about management positions right out of college before they even demonstrate that they're skilled at what their being hired for. Their problem-solving skills are marginal at-best and trust me, your phone can't solve every problem. The most obvious thing I see is that they don't pick up after themselves! Hardly any of them. Im only talking about the Americans here. The interns we've gotten from Europe have been much better in regards to all of those points so it may just be a cultural thing.
It's true that the boomer generation was lucky in the economic sense; in my parents generation everyone got a job, education was cheaper and typical blue-collar jobs paid enough to buy a home for and maintain a family on a single salary.
I'm straddling the fence between Boomer and Gen-X myself (1967 birthday). The Boomers robbed the bank and I point it out to my folks all the time. They were able to retire with full-pension and full health-care benefits for the rest of their lives when they were 55 years old. They've been living the good life for almost 20 years now. Good luck finding that gravy-train now...
If we're talking about political policies that happened to coincide with the lifetimes of certain generations, those policies are up for debate and criticism, of course.
That doesn't add up. You became a teenager in the 2000s if you were born in 87 or later.
Basically, most millenials are out of school, currently in the workforce, and the ones that have kids have very young kids (we tend to marry and have kids very late). Generation Y would mostly still be in school right now.
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In case you haven't found a working version yet, here's CNN's release.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html
I understand the designations, but as someone who graduated in the year 2000, my experiences growing up were clearly formed more by the decade of the '90s than anything else. Laptops and cell-phones were NOT universal and standard at that time. They existed, but they were the exception, not the rule. I didn't get a cell phone until at least two years later.
Graduated what? Anyway, I'm not arguing for any designations, I'm just saying @subtledoctor 's logic doesn't work. FWIW here in Finland I had a Finnish-manufactured Nokia in 3rd-4th grade in the year 2000. I was born 1989 and definitely consider myself a millenial.
High School. The internet EXISTED in the late '90s, but it wasn't like it was in any way easy to access outside schools and colleges. For most of this time, the ONLY way people in my hometown could access it was by calling into the school computer lab, and only ONE person could do this at a time. Now, my dad was a teacher, so we had access to it, but almost no one else did. I still vividly remember staying at my friend's house for the night around '96 and '97 and there were literally 4 or 5 of us huddled around the computer screen waiting for naked pictures to load for 10-15 minutes apiece. It was still the Netscape/Lycos/Geocities era, and it wasn't remotely mainstream yet. Only around '99 did home dial-up start getting offered outside of AOL. It would still be years before broadband. Exactly one of my friends had a cell-phone, and it was in her car and probably weighed ten pounds. We called it the Zack Morris phone (in reference to the size of Zack's phone in "Save by the Bell".
I'm old enough for my family to have had a 'party-line' when I was younger. Google it if you want to see what a fossil I am!
And yet they signed the Paris Climate Accords. Republicans in America won't even allow that much of a token effort a recognition that there is a major problem facing us all.
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I saw someone say on another forum that wasn't sure if they were Gen X or Millennial or something else that if you knew about the Challenger you were probably Gen X.
Do you remember a time without personal computers? < Baby Boomer
Do you remember a time without Internet? < Gen X
Do you remember the sound of dial up internet? < Gen Y
Do you remember a time without YouTube/Facebook < Millennial
None of the above >>Undetermined catchy name<<
Pretty accurate. Very accurate, actually. Knew about Gen X as a concept because of "Reality Bites" and "Singles". Never identified as a Millennial but sympathized with them. I never even knew my time-frame had a moniker like Gen Y.
Is this the Mueller Report??
I had a cellphone in high school, and I do remember the sound of dial-up internet (admittedly - I had a privileged upbrining. My dad was a doctor).
It drives me nuts to hear Baby Boomers and Gen Xers talk down to Millennials. It's so pervaisive that I know other Millennials that talk down to their own generation.
FWIW - I also push back against anyone talking down to Gen Zers (I hadn't heard Gen Y used for the generation after mine before. I usually heard it used as a small segue from X to Millennial).
I think a lot of the distinction is also cultural. My brother is 7years older than me, edge of X and Y - but culturally he's more Millennial than anything.
I remember our black and white TV that only got 4 channels (2 of the 3 networks, plus PBS and an indie UHF station.) My grandfather's cottage had an outhouse, but it wasn't a primary residence.
And like @jjstraka34 's experience of waiting 15 minutes for nudie downloads, I remember sleepovers at the house of our one friend who had cable, using the tuning wheel on that clunky wired remote to try to get the Playboy channel and Skinemax clear enough to see some boobs.
One thing that I realize reading these accounts is that not only is it hard to pin down a time that these different labels are supposed to apply to, where you live would affect the transitions also. Someone from an affluent suburb of NY or LA probably had cellphones and the Internet well before those of us from small Midwestern towns.
That’s why there are overlap in years. And like most stereotypes, generational statistics do have exceptions to the norm.
No, my comment is based on the actual statistics. You just seem determined to crap on an entire generation for zero reason whatsoever. Its just the same crap throwing I see in politics these days and I have zero tolerance for it.
Didn't mean to offend you @ThacoBell . I like you and your unique viewpoints. I didn't even know you were a Millennial until you mentioned it. My sarcasm is never meant to insult, just a means of prodding people for their ideas. I find that getting people fired up is a good way to figure out how they really think. I can stoke up my Irish at will just to argue the most minor of points sometimes, and I do it to make people think and get insight into their point of view. That explains why I'm so popular with my family and friends...
Having said that, I did manage to start an interesting discussion of generational differences. I just didnt realize folks would be so touchy about it. I find stereotypes amusing in that there are grains of truth in them even if they don't apply to everybody. I wouldn't take offense if anybody ripped on Gen-Xers but we seem to be relatively stereotype free for some reason.
He struck a deal with the prosecution to avoid the death penalty. He is now sentenced to life in prison.
Great, now we have to pay for his three squares and cable TV for the rest of his life. I really wish we had some island in the middle of nowhere we could drop these assholes off on and just let them fend for themselves for the rest of their lives. There must be some atoll in the South Pacific that nobody lives on...
Well, at least I got us talking about something other than Trump and the Mueller Report for a while...