I remember a teacher at school about 25 years ago saying he avoided all news because he found it too depressing. I remember thinking that was strange and sort of an abdication of responsibility, now I get it and that it may be necessary to stay sane. I go through days of avoiding it but get dragged back soon, I guess I feel I have to be informed but wow it’s grim sometimes
It's part of the reason I think that it's not unusual for people to perceive that life has got worse over many decades, even though most of the indicators used for quality of life studies show improvements. News itself has always been heavily skewed towards the reporting of problems. As the distribution of news has sped up and broadened in scope there's a clear tendency for the news to give the impression that things are far worse than they really are ...
Case in point, when people are asked if violent crime or crime in general is going up or down, the majority of people say it's going up - but all statistical evidence supports that crime is generally going down in most areas of the US, and has been going down for years and years.
As it relates to politics, this is why crime is weaponized in political environments. Even though it's going down, it's leveraged politically because people *feel* unsafe, rather than actually being unsafe
Rand Paul and others who attended Trump's speech last night where pushed around and bullied by protesters.This comes right after Trump tried to tell his base that there is lawlessness in the streets. Don't think this will help with us get Trump out they are playing right into his hands. We don't need four more years of him or his cronies even CNN is calling for calm because they see its hurting Biden and Harris.
*Just watched some videos and I understand the fear these people probably felt while being surounded by protesters. The anxiety of not knowing how stable mentally the protesters are and how it can get violent quickly.
Rand Paul and others who attended Trump's speech last night where pushed around and bullied by protesters.This comes right after Trump tried to tell his base that there is lawlessness in the streets. Don't think this will help with us get Trump out they are playing right into his hands. We don't need four more years of him or his cronies even CNN is calling for calm because they see its hurting Biden and Harris.
*Just watched some videos and I understand the fear these people probably felt while being surounded by protesters. The anxiety of not knowing how stable mentally the protesters are and how it can get violent quickly.
The videos look to show that he was not touched. I see no difference between this and when conservatives stormed legislatures in Michigan armed with guns to protest mask mandates.
Well. Except the protesters here werent armed, and the police pushed them away
This just looks like another attempt by the GOP to weaponize any protest as being violent.
Edit - would I prefer that protesters not give the GOP this ammunition? Sure. - but what they did here wasnt particularly bad. I'm sure some of them yelled unkind words at Paul, and that's not great for civil discourse. Still, it's a molehill, and the GOP want a mountain.
Rand Paul and others who attended Trump's speech last night where pushed around and bullied by protesters.This comes right after Trump tried to tell his base that there is lawlessness in the streets. Don't think this will help with us get Trump out they are playing right into his hands. We don't need four more years of him or his cronies even CNN is calling for calm because they see its hurting Biden and Harris.
*Just watched some videos and I understand the fear these people probably felt while being surounded by protesters. The anxiety of not knowing how stable mentally the protesters are and how it can get violent quickly.
Not really concerned so much about cases where nobody is seriously hurt but didnt a protestor die after pulling a gun on some guy in his car and getting shot in self defense, along with another guy who was crushed by a statue they were toppling, along with 2 kids killed by protestor "guards" in the Chaz, and now 2 more killed by some kid that may or may not have also been self defense? The body count continues to get higher and higher at these events, but like always, there is little public awareness let alone accountability because the protestors have the blessing of those who control access to information.
Not really concerned so much about cases where nobody is seriously hurt but didnt a protestor die after pulling a gun on some guy in his car and getting shot in self defense, along with another guy who was crushed by a statue they were toppling, along with 2 kids killed by protestor "guards" in the Chaz...
Sounds like half-remembered propaganda. Here's some local news reporting on shooting incidents at the Seattle protests:
Sunday, June 7: A man drives into a crowd of protestors. They surround his car and attempt to extract him, at which point he pulls out a gun and shoots one. No deaths this time. Note that the car itself should also be considered a deadly weapon here. (Breaking news)(Charges)
Saturday and Sunday, June 20/21: Two shooting incidents. One dead (19-year old black man), two others injured. The dead victim was allegedly targeted due to a "personal beef". No immediate arrests, no information I can find on suspects. (Breaking news)
So, over the course of about a month, that's four shootings and six total victims, with two deaths. The mayor ordered "CHOP" cleared shortly after the last one. One incident was a case of an outsider coming in with intent to hurt or kill protestors, while the others don't have enough known to speculate on motive.
Not really concerned so much about cases where nobody is seriously hurt but didnt a protestor die after pulling a gun on some guy in his car and getting shot in self defense, along with another guy who was crushed by a statue they were toppling, along with 2 kids killed by protestor "guards" in the Chaz...
Sounds like half-remembered propaganda. Here's some local news reporting on shooting incidents at the Seattle protests:
Sunday, June 7: A man drives into a crowd of protestors. They surround his car and attempt to extract him, at which point he pulls out a gun and shoots one. No deaths this time. Note that the car itself should also be considered a deadly weapon here. (Breaking news)(Charges)
Saturday and Sunday, June 20/21: Two shooting incidents. One dead (19-year old black man), two others injured. The dead victim was allegedly targeted due to a "personal beef". No immediate arrests, no information I can find on suspects. (Breaking news)
So, over the course of about a month, that's four shootings and six total victims, with two deaths. The mayor ordered "CHOP" cleared shortly after the last one. One incident was a case of an outsider coming in with intent to hurt or kill protestors, while the others don't have enough known to speculate on motive.
So, basically, I had most of the details, and all of the important ones, correct.
How very bland and soulless we can make the shooting of a 16 and 14 year old, and a tampered with crime scene, at an anti cop protest zone out to be. "No immediate arrests or information about suspects.", huh? Well, lucky you, I suppose. By your self imposed standards you no longer have to give it any consideration, the hands of the protestors and their allies are clean. Certainly no reason to consider how a sustained cop free protest zone patrolled by unprofessional armed protestor guards enforcing "order" could have possibly led to a string of shootings and gun violence.
But hey, your article cites a number of shootings at these protests I didn't even know about, so we can add more victims to the pile.
"The gun violence continues a string of shootings at the camp in a series that had fortunately been quiet since a shooting early last Tuesday morning that sent one person to the hospital. That shooting was part of a string that left one dead and at least three wounded. Early that Saturday, one man was killed and another person was critically wounded in a shooting at 10th and Pine. 19-year-old Renton High student Lorenzo Anderson died in an incident that became a flashpoint of controversy with police restricting their presence in the area following the emptying of the East Precinct headquarters and Seattle Fire’s limited abilities to respond without police presence. Last Sunday night brought another shooting on the edge of Cal Anderson that sent a 17-year-old to the hospital."
The fact that all of these details come not from any mainstream news source, but by some third rate news site I have never even heard of, should tell you everything of the lack of a free press in this country, but I digress.
How much death, violence, and overall human misery has to be achieved before the self righteous bearers of the protestors torch ever stop to consider their own hand in wrongful acts? Its almost like an unawareness of your own capacity for evil is a requirement for liberalism at this point.
@WarChiefZeke "How much death, violence, and overall human misery has to be achieved before the self righteous bearers of the protestors torch ever stop to consider their own hand in wrongful acts? Its almost like an unawareness of your own capacity for evil is a requirement for liberalism at this point.
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You wanna talk about death and violence? How about all black, unarmed, children, disabled people killed by police? All the mass shootings in our country?
Interesting that you seem to think "protester" equals "liberal" as if all conservatives should be absolutely fine with rampant police brutality and murder.
If you want to talk about evils perpetrated in the name of politics, how about those concentration camps we filled with children? That we then proceeded to starve, deny beds, deny medical care, and sexually assault? Because I sure as Hell am never letting Republicans forget that.
@WarChiefZeke "How much death, violence, and overall human misery has to be achieved before the self righteous bearers of the protestors torch ever stop to consider their own hand in wrongful acts? Its almost like an unawareness of your own capacity for evil is a requirement for liberalism at this point.
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You wanna talk about death and violence? How about all black, unarmed, children, disabled people killed by police? All the mass shootings in our country?
Interesting that you seem to think "protester" equals "liberal" as if all conservatives should be absolutely fine with rampant police brutality and murder.
If you want to talk about evils perpetrated in the name of politics, how about those concentration camps we filled with children? That we then proceeded to starve, deny beds, deny medical care, and sexually assault? Because I sure as Hell am never letting Republicans forget that.
We hear endlessly about the 13 unarmed black men shot by police in 2019, less this year. More so than all other murder victims combined, including children. Is this still not enough? Do we still not have liberals permission to care about the lives of anyone else at any point in time? I guess not.
How convenient that the only violence we are allowed to talk about is the kind that is politically beneficial to the ones who control the conversation, regardless of numbers or severity. So moral. Very caring.
Ironically, we are probably over 13 deaths in total from this string of protests alone. Given the total mainstream media blackout on the subject, it's hard to know with any certainty. But we are getting close just on what we already know.
@WarChiefZeke "How much death, violence, and overall human misery has to be achieved before the self righteous bearers of the protestors torch ever stop to consider their own hand in wrongful acts? Its almost like an unawareness of your own capacity for evil is a requirement for liberalism at this point.
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You wanna talk about death and violence? How about all black, unarmed, children, disabled people killed by police? All the mass shootings in our country?
Interesting that you seem to think "protester" equals "liberal" as if all conservatives should be absolutely fine with rampant police brutality and murder.
If you want to talk about evils perpetrated in the name of politics, how about those concentration camps we filled with children? That we then proceeded to starve, deny beds, deny medical care, and sexually assault? Because I sure as Hell am never letting Republicans forget that.
We hear endlessly about the 13 unarmed black men shot by police in 2019, less this year. More so than all other murder victims combined, including children. Is this still not enough? Do we still not have liberals permission to care about the lives of anyone else at any point in time? I guess not.
How convenient that the only violence we are allowed to talk about is the kind that is politically beneficial to the ones who control the conversation, regardless of numbers or severity. So moral. Very caring.
Ironically, we are probably over 13 deaths in total from this string of protests alone. Given the total mainstream media blackout on the subject, it's hard to know with any certainty. But we are getting close just on what we already know.
You know what would have prevented the protests?
Arresting the officer immediately on murder charges.
But I guess we can wait 30 days for them to figure out how to pin this on a now paralyzed black man who is handcuffed to his hospital bed. Zero charges against him btw.
All while the vigilante Trump supporter who shot 3 people has successfully fought off extradition charges of first degree murder and sits at mommy and daddy’s house who enabled this senseless act to begin with while a top republican lawyer is defending him.
Both of these white young men are currently free from the deaths and injuries that has been caused yet a victim is handcuffed to a bed and you want to say that these protests are causing more violence? It’s the loss of respect for that system that is allowing these injustices that is causing it.
I should also deep dive into the numbers because I guarantee you that the murder rate of these cities has not increased from previous years and these murders that are listed in the article (especially the ones with no known motive) are just being hyper elevated because they happened while the city’s citizens were protesting.
Not really concerned so much about cases where nobody is seriously hurt but didnt a protestor die after pulling a gun on some guy in his car and getting shot in self defense, along with another guy who was crushed by a statue they were toppling, along with 2 kids killed by protestor "guards" in the Chaz...
Sounds like half-remembered propaganda. Here's some local news reporting on shooting incidents at the Seattle protests:
Sunday, June 7: A man drives into a crowd of protestors. They surround his car and attempt to extract him, at which point he pulls out a gun and shoots one. No deaths this time. Note that the car itself should also be considered a deadly weapon here. (Breaking news)(Charges)
Saturday and Sunday, June 20/21: Two shooting incidents. One dead (19-year old black man), two others injured. The dead victim was allegedly targeted due to a "personal beef". No immediate arrests, no information I can find on suspects. (Breaking news)
So, over the course of about a month, that's four shootings and six total victims, with two deaths. The mayor ordered "CHOP" cleared shortly after the last one. One incident was a case of an outsider coming in with intent to hurt or kill protestors, while the others don't have enough known to speculate on motive.
"No immediate arrests or information about suspects.", huh? Well, lucky you, I suppose. By your self imposed standards you no longer have to give it any consideration, the hands of the protestors and their allies are clean.
To be fair, @WarChiefZeke, you've stressed many times how important the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is, and how we're not supposed to level judgment until we have more information. Yes--when we have no information at all beyond the mere fact of a crime happening, we can't reach the conclusion that liberalism was responsible for all four of them.
The first example makes it pretty obvious that the anti-protestor, the guy who drove his car into a crowd and then shot a protestor, was responsible for the violence. When a protestor gets shot by a non-protestor, I'm generally inclined to blame the guy who shot them rather than the unarmed civilian. That's a pretty clear case of a peaceful protestor being shot for no reason.
Saying "I had most of the details, and all of the important ones, correct" is not accurate when the only example that actually has any detail is the exact opposite of the picture you're painting: a non-protestor shooting a protestor.
The fact that all of these details come not from any mainstream news source, but by some third rate news site I have never even heard of, should tell you everything of the lack of a free press in this country, but I digress.
On the contrary, this says more about your choice of sources than it does anything else. I could find any type of information, however badly sourced, and then call the rest of the world biased because they're not posting the same content.
Frankly, liberal protestors protesting against violent crime and then being attacked by violent criminals who aren't liberal protestors, just drives home the point that no, the protestors aren't the ones committing the crimes.
The guy who got shot for protesting was not responsible for a violent crime just because someone decided to put a bullet in him. I don't know how else you can interpret that event.
I was trying to take a week off, but yeah, screw it, I'm still checking the news anyway. The reason police shootings get more coverage is because it is STATE SANCTIONED VIOLENCE. And it is almost never punished. The regular people who commit the other acts are, in most cases, arrested, charged, and sentenced if found guilty. With your occasional exception, the actions of cops are given free reign. When they ARE brought up on charges, it is only after massive media attention, or, in the case of George Floyd, having to literally burn down a police precinct.
Nevermind the acts by police that don't cause death. They tear gas citizens on a regular basis if so much as an empty water bottle gets lobbed in their direction. I've personally watched videos of them walking right up to people doing absolutely nothing but being present in the vicinity of a protest and pepper-spraying them in the face. Driving cars into a crowd of people. Can we forget the video of when they left the 70-year old man they pushed to the ground to bleed out of his ear while the entire police force walked by like he was less important than an insect?? In many of these cases, the cops are deliberately turning protests into riots by their actions.
The sad truth is that this society is collapsing under the weight of it's own bullshit. Toto already pulled back the curtain. The national government has basically told people to fuck off and die. Some people are perfectly fine and enthusiastic about this. There are those of us that are so goddamned depressed about it we can barely function. And some people are taking to the streets. I sort of wish they wouldn't, but not everyone is capable of wallowing in the misery or cheering it on. But I have no use for these almost exclusively white dipshits cosplaying as revolutionaries.
The cops can't be trusted, the government is AWOL. White anarchists are cosplaying and destroying a movement about an issue they aren't even tangentially effected by themselves. And militia members have forced their way into at least two state legislatures with guns. None of this is going anywhere good. I'm staying in my apartment.
This is a dangerous, dangerous moment for the country as it is currently constituted. I'm not at all convinced it is going to survive, and to be honest, if things take what I would view as an irrevocable turn in November I'm probably going to immediately cease posting anywhere about anything out of pure self-preservation. Because something is deeply, deeply wrong with this country.
I was reading a Twitter thread last night about one of the people killed by the Kenosha gunman and I could barely keep myself from vomiting. My only thought was "if I happened to be in this place instead of this guy, thousands of people would be literally CELEBRATING my death". I responded to someone on Twitter last month, and they responded back about how I "spent all my time around an elementary school". My apartment is across the street from an elementary school. This person had tracked my location within seconds, and seemed to have also viewed my Google Maps activity since I haven't really left a 20 square block radius in 5 months. And was using it to imply I was a sexual predator. I'm honestly not sure how safe this country is going to be for someone with liberal views in 6 months time if this all starts to fall apart.
Have to say that I have felt the same. Someone like me is always rounded up in the first round of purges, the undesirables.
People giving into fear is the prime requisite of a Hitler regime. Lol, just a weird quote that I have no idea how I remember, “Fear is the mind killer.” Won’t tell you where it came from because it will just expose my geekness. Fear was the primary story in the RNC. Fear is the theme of a nation right now. Who can engender more fear. I don’t take any news outlet as truth because they are only looking for ratings, fear sells and they are underprivileged prostitutes working their corner for all they are worth. Sorry, I feel that is an insult to the prostitutes that are doing what they can to get by. The media is just looking for a larger piece of the pie.
Fear is being used for a reason, it is proven that the stick is always more effective than the carrot.
Give into fear and you have already lost. That is just me talking. I have faced fear enough in my life that we are on a first name basis, it’s in my contacts list. Some of what you fear is legit, some of it can dominate your life and only ever be in our head but both are just as real. I certainly will never get on someone who gives in, I have been there, there has to be something more though right. Something past the fear. People who use fear to control the population are not leaders, they are parasites. Going to make enemies here...
The church or religion has done it, governments have done it, spouses have done it...
bullies do it. Do your life, follow what you think is right and remember the old lady I met outside of Dachau. Lived less than 100m from horror, murder and genocide, “I did not know that the fear I felt, that kept me silent, would never equal the shame I live with. My voice would not have changed anything I think, but me not speaking against wrong has me in guilt, always in guilt”
One ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, we are the ones in a position to give that ounce. How will history remember us?
The fact is, having that speech on the White House lawn last night was absolutely repulsive on it's own (and also illegal). But it's illegality was the POINT. It was meant to say "there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop us". All the guardrails were illusions. Rules that only stuck because (generally) everyone agreed on them. There isn't even any pretense Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He is the President of those that support him only. It's always been true, but turning the White House, the American people's house, which he is a guest in for 4 or 8 years, into a full-on backdrop of his campaign has more than a few alarm bells ringing loudly among those scholars of authoritarian regimes I always mention. They've been right about basically everything else up to this point. That was a more akin to a ceremony at Versailles than an American political convention.
Have to say that I have felt the same. Someone like me is always rounded up in the first round of purges, the undesirables.
People giving into fear is the prime requisite of a Hitler regime. Lol, just a weird quote that I have no idea how I remember, “Fear is the mind killer.” Won’t tell you where it came from because it will just expose my geekness.
"Fear is the mindkiller" is from the Bene-Gesserit mantra. See, you're not the only geek in this forum. For those of lesser geekitude, it's from Dune. A very thought-provoking book/series of books btw...
Have to say that I have felt the same. Someone like me is always rounded up in the first round of purges, the undesirables.
People giving into fear is the prime requisite of a Hitler regime. Lol, just a weird quote that I have no idea how I remember, “Fear is the mind killer.” Won’t tell you where it came from because it will just expose my geekness.
"Fear is the mindkiller" is from the Bene-Gesserit mantra. See, you're not the only geek in this forum. For those of lesser geekitude, it's from Dune. A very thought-provoking book/series of books btw...
Drat - @Balrog99 got there first. I was going to make the point that there's nothing at all geeky about being a fan of the excellent Dune books. If, on the other hand, you were referring to being a fan of the 1984 film, I would certainly understand a reluctance to disclose that ...
I only own the first book I admit, but I bought it new, off the shelf, have owned it for many years and the covers are pretty worn. I have read all of the Frank Herbert Dune books though. Have to agree, with Balrog99, very thought provoking. In seventh grade I did a book report on Grapes of Wrath and my teacher suggested I might like Dune better, it was a bad year and the bleak starkness of Steinbeck suited my... seriously don’t think mood fits, maybe my broken life, more. Eventually I read it though and was hooked.
Talking of books and the politics of fear: "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton is a well constructed novel about using fear to manipulate the electorate. It's somewhat out of date these days because it's written from a climate change denial standpoint (published in 2004) but the mechanics are still valid (it's also a good book to take on a long haul flight because it's quite light reading but really, really long).
It's gotten to the point where even if I see a new poll that has Biden up six points (which by any metric is substantial) I am internally freaking out. One thing I absolutely do NOT think is real is Democratic overconfidence. Seeing anything less than a +10 Biden advantage is a de facto winning poll for Trump. Which, logically, of course, is absurd, especially in a country this polarized. It was always going to narrow. But this electoral PTSD from 2016 is a very real phenomena.
It's gotten to the point where even if I see a new poll that has Biden up six points (which by any metric is substantial) I am internally freaking out. One thing I absolutely do NOT think is real is Democratic overconfidence. Seeing anything less than a +10 Biden advantage is a de facto winning poll for Trump. Which, logically, of course, is absurd, especially in a country this polarized. It was always going to narrow. But this electoral PTSD from 2016 is a very real phenomena.
Yeah. What's even more wild is that Biden is still at 50% even in that +6 poll released today. Trump will probably get a small bounce from the RNC. I dont know if it'll stick. I think things will snap back pretty soon, as the USA is close to passing 200,000 deaths from COVID. That number feels like a milestone, and I think it'll weigh upon Trump's presidential chances.
Left wing empathy, straight from the horses mouth. He wasn't in the correct identity group, so his death will be celebrated. We see this moral code play out in big and small ways all over politics.
The pro-Trump rally’s organizer, who recently co-ordinated a similar caravan in Boise, Idaho, said in a video posted on Twitter Saturday afternoon that attendees should only carry concealed weapons and the route was being kept secret for safety reasons.
The caravan had gathered earlier in the day at a suburban mall and drove as a group to the heart of Portland. As they arrived in the city, protesters attempted to stop them by standing in the street and blocking bridges.
Videos from the scene showed sporadic fighting, as well as Trump supporters firing paintball pellets at opponents and using bear spray as counter-protesters threw things at the Trump caravan.
My bet it was friendly fire. This caravan wasn't coming to 'peacefully' anti-protest. They were armed with weapons to agitate the BLM protesters into becoming more violent at dear leaders request.
If anything, if it was a BLM protester that killed him, shouldn't be have more a 'self-defense' argument than the open carrying moron that killed 2? At least this BLM person can use the same excuse cops have used and confused a paintball gun with a real weapon. Think it'll fly? If it doesn't, more double standard to fuel these protests.
This is exactly what Trump wants. A race war in the middle of an American city and his bleating followers are more than happy to give it to him so individuals such as yourself will blame the 'leftist' for everything that happens and then not be able to distinguish between 'leftist' and democrat in the voting booth (or mailbox) come November.
This violence is happening under one person's watch only. That is the person who should be blamed for any of these deaths especially if that individual is fanning the flames.
And another one! Turn your head for a second and another person gets killed at these protests.
Left wing empathy, straight from the horses mouth. He wasn't in the correct identity group, so his death will be celebrated. We see this moral code play out in big and small ways all over politics.
First of all Andy Ngo is a cheap, partisan hack. He's James O'Keefe with a different backstory.
Anyway like you say we see this moral code come out all the time.
If this was a leftist that was killed we'd hear:
"It was self defense" "The guy that got killed had a misdemeanor and a drug problem"
Vote out Trump, he's stoking this race war because he thinks it helps him politically
Donald Trump: I'm the only person who can stop this, but I won't do it until January. In the meantime, I'll just use the world's biggest flamethrower on a country already on fire.
First off, it's laughable that most of the leftists on the streets are "Biden supporters". Go ask them, my guess is 90% of them will say "fuck Biden, he's a neo-liberal sellout". They likely think Bernie is too milquetoast by half. The pickup brigade though?? They make it QUITE clear who they support.
The United States does not have a leftist party. We have the Democratic Party, which at worst is center-left, could be argued is center-right compared to almost any liberal party in Europe, and just nominated the most centrist candidate imaginable. Trust me, the anarchists have ZERO use for Joe fucking Biden.
I also reiterate again that Joe Biden is in charge of nothing, and Donald Trump has been President for four years. I'm confused as to how Biden is both pulling the strings of protesters while also apparently drooling over being spoon-fed pudding in his basement. I mean, pick one or the other, it can't be both:
To go back to something from earlier, about Rand Paul being "attacked", nothing happened to Rand Paul that doesn't happen at least once a week at every abortion clinic in the country to women trying to enter the building.
Here's what was happening in Portland prior to the shooting:
This is just one example, but here you have a group of people (many of whom seem to be ordinary people trying to cross the street, being a.) maced and b.) almost ran over on purpose by massive trucks when the sign in the video is clearly giving pedestrians the right of way.
Here's a video at a Wal-Mart, a scene which is playing out constantly every day all over the country:
If you don't believe Trump is sitting in the White House with a permanent hard-on watching what he is actively wishing for and flat-out encouraging, you are being willfully obtuse at best. This doesn't end well, it was never going to. And I and a few others predicted it from day one. We are in the final descent into madness. Because her emails:
Trump is pretending a pandemic that has nearly killed 200,000 people is over. His party has refused any economic relief despite what is likely 20% real unemployment. That is not by accident. It's by design. It's designed to make people taking to the street more likely. And then he just dumps the gas on the fire. It's on page 1 of the authoritarian manual.
He's not going anywhere. Either he will win by any combination of the nefarious ways that have been documented they are trying time and again, or he will lose and say he didn't, and unleash his dogs, who the police will side with. It's over. This experiment is done. If I'm wrong, well, thank goodness. If not, I'm going dark.
And another one! Turn your head for a second and another person gets killed at these protests.
Approximately 1,000 Americans are dying every day of COVID. While much of the rest of the wealthy world has severely diminished the pandemic's impact. I'm sorry but the violence related to protests is not and should not be a national issue right now.
And another one! Turn your head for a second and another person gets killed at these protests.
Approximately 1,000 Americans are dying every day of COVID. While much of the rest of the wealthy world has severely diminished the pandemic's impact. I'm sorry but the violence related to protests is not and should not be a national issue right now.
The amount of outright disinformation about the virus out there that has permeated at LEAST 30% of the population cannot be ignored. Until someone they know dies, they will.......not........care. Apparently, the CDC published a statistic that only 6% of the people who have died of COVID-19 didn't have an underlying condition, which they now take to mean that 94% of the deaths don't count in the official tally.
Never mind that something as simple as obesity is a qualifying underlying condition, which is, what, 40-50% of the population?? By this logic, no one has ever died of AIDS. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who DOESN'T have some kind of underlying condition that COVID-19 could cause havoc with.
The way these conversations take place about the deaths from the virus on the right, they don't even sound like they are talking about people, they sound like they are talking about the slugging percentage of the clean-up hitter for their favorite MLB team. It is positively amazing how quickly the "pro-life" party decided anyone with any underlying medical condition or anyone over the age of 70 became a disposable parasite preventing them from enjoying happy hour and tailgating, but that is where we are.
There is NO disputing where we stand compared to the rest of the world in regards to the virus. The idea that it couldn't have been contained, or (in the case of much of Europe) that corrections couldn't be made to save lives after an initial fuck-up is total BS, because nearly every other country has proven that it IS possible. The quote from one of the officials at the RNC on the White House lawn the other day?? "We all expect to get it at some point".
Well, ok then. If you think 200,000 deaths has caused problems, wait til you're looking at 2-3 million. Of course, that is EXACTLY where we are heading if Trump stays in power. Because he will do NOTHING to prevent it from happening. Nothing. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. If people want to continue living like this indefinitely, let this man stay in power. Have at it. Can you even imagine what kind of shit-show is going to ensue with this Administration attempting to oversee vaccine distribution?? When these same cultists are flat-out saying they won't take it?? A vote for Trump is a vote for living in this exact scenario, only likely far worse, for at LEAST two more years, possibly longer.
The virus does not give a shit about what we want or what our lives used to be like. Never mind the people who survive who now have chronic medical conditions, which doesn't even get mentioned in passing when talking about the pandemic.
I work in the science field and I will not be first in line to take a vaccine for Covid-19. I'm sorry but this is being rushed as all Hell and they're likely going to be throwing caution to the wind (or at least appearing to be rushing it enough for my spidey-sense to start tingling). I get a flu vaccination every year so I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer by any definition. I trust science but I sure as Hell don't trust politics...
An article in CNN that will likely go unheeded by all of the major networks. In some alternate universe this was heeded decades ago in the ?? and everybody lived happily ever after...
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Case in point, when people are asked if violent crime or crime in general is going up or down, the majority of people say it's going up - but all statistical evidence supports that crime is generally going down in most areas of the US, and has been going down for years and years.
As it relates to politics, this is why crime is weaponized in political environments. Even though it's going down, it's leveraged politically because people *feel* unsafe, rather than actually being unsafe
*Just watched some videos and I understand the fear these people probably felt while being surounded by protesters. The anxiety of not knowing how stable mentally the protesters are and how it can get violent quickly.
The videos look to show that he was not touched. I see no difference between this and when conservatives stormed legislatures in Michigan armed with guns to protest mask mandates.
Well. Except the protesters here werent armed, and the police pushed them away
This just looks like another attempt by the GOP to weaponize any protest as being violent.
Edit - would I prefer that protesters not give the GOP this ammunition? Sure. - but what they did here wasnt particularly bad. I'm sure some of them yelled unkind words at Paul, and that's not great for civil discourse. Still, it's a molehill, and the GOP want a mountain.
Not really concerned so much about cases where nobody is seriously hurt but didnt a protestor die after pulling a gun on some guy in his car and getting shot in self defense, along with another guy who was crushed by a statue they were toppling, along with 2 kids killed by protestor "guards" in the Chaz, and now 2 more killed by some kid that may or may not have also been self defense? The body count continues to get higher and higher at these events, but like always, there is little public awareness let alone accountability because the protestors have the blessing of those who control access to information.
Sounds like half-remembered propaganda. Here's some local news reporting on shooting incidents at the Seattle protests:
Sunday, June 7: A man drives into a crowd of protestors. They surround his car and attempt to extract him, at which point he pulls out a gun and shoots one. No deaths this time. Note that the car itself should also be considered a deadly weapon here. (Breaking news) (Charges)
Saturday and Sunday, June 20/21: Two shooting incidents. One dead (19-year old black man), two others injured. The dead victim was allegedly targeted due to a "personal beef". No immediate arrests, no information I can find on suspects. (Breaking news)
Monday, June 29: Two people shot, one dead. No immediate arrests or information about suspects. (Link, won't load for me so I can't tell you what it says)
So, over the course of about a month, that's four shootings and six total victims, with two deaths. The mayor ordered "CHOP" cleared shortly after the last one. One incident was a case of an outsider coming in with intent to hurt or kill protestors, while the others don't have enough known to speculate on motive.
So, basically, I had most of the details, and all of the important ones, correct.
How very bland and soulless we can make the shooting of a 16 and 14 year old, and a tampered with crime scene, at an anti cop protest zone out to be. "No immediate arrests or information about suspects.", huh? Well, lucky you, I suppose. By your self imposed standards you no longer have to give it any consideration, the hands of the protestors and their allies are clean. Certainly no reason to consider how a sustained cop free protest zone patrolled by unprofessional armed protestor guards enforcing "order" could have possibly led to a string of shootings and gun violence.
But hey, your article cites a number of shootings at these protests I didn't even know about, so we can add more victims to the pile.
"The gun violence continues a string of shootings at the camp in a series that had fortunately been quiet since a shooting early last Tuesday morning that sent one person to the hospital. That shooting was part of a string that left one dead and at least three wounded. Early that Saturday, one man was killed and another person was critically wounded in a shooting at 10th and Pine. 19-year-old Renton High student Lorenzo Anderson died in an incident that became a flashpoint of controversy with police restricting their presence in the area following the emptying of the East Precinct headquarters and Seattle Fire’s limited abilities to respond without police presence. Last Sunday night brought another shooting on the edge of Cal Anderson that sent a 17-year-old to the hospital."
The fact that all of these details come not from any mainstream news source, but by some third rate news site I have never even heard of, should tell you everything of the lack of a free press in this country, but I digress.
How much death, violence, and overall human misery has to be achieved before the self righteous bearers of the protestors torch ever stop to consider their own hand in wrongful acts? Its almost like an unawareness of your own capacity for evil is a requirement for liberalism at this point.
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You wanna talk about death and violence? How about all black, unarmed, children, disabled people killed by police? All the mass shootings in our country?
Interesting that you seem to think "protester" equals "liberal" as if all conservatives should be absolutely fine with rampant police brutality and murder.
If you want to talk about evils perpetrated in the name of politics, how about those concentration camps we filled with children? That we then proceeded to starve, deny beds, deny medical care, and sexually assault? Because I sure as Hell am never letting Republicans forget that.
We hear endlessly about the 13 unarmed black men shot by police in 2019, less this year. More so than all other murder victims combined, including children. Is this still not enough? Do we still not have liberals permission to care about the lives of anyone else at any point in time? I guess not.
How convenient that the only violence we are allowed to talk about is the kind that is politically beneficial to the ones who control the conversation, regardless of numbers or severity. So moral. Very caring.
Ironically, we are probably over 13 deaths in total from this string of protests alone. Given the total mainstream media blackout on the subject, it's hard to know with any certainty. But we are getting close just on what we already know.
You know what would have prevented the protests?
Arresting the officer immediately on murder charges.
But I guess we can wait 30 days for them to figure out how to pin this on a now paralyzed black man who is handcuffed to his hospital bed. Zero charges against him btw.
All while the vigilante Trump supporter who shot 3 people has successfully fought off extradition charges of first degree murder and sits at mommy and daddy’s house who enabled this senseless act to begin with while a top republican lawyer is defending him.
Both of these white young men are currently free from the deaths and injuries that has been caused yet a victim is handcuffed to a bed and you want to say that these protests are causing more violence? It’s the loss of respect for that system that is allowing these injustices that is causing it.
I should also deep dive into the numbers because I guarantee you that the murder rate of these cities has not increased from previous years and these murders that are listed in the article (especially the ones with no known motive) are just being hyper elevated because they happened while the city’s citizens were protesting.
The first example makes it pretty obvious that the anti-protestor, the guy who drove his car into a crowd and then shot a protestor, was responsible for the violence. When a protestor gets shot by a non-protestor, I'm generally inclined to blame the guy who shot them rather than the unarmed civilian. That's a pretty clear case of a peaceful protestor being shot for no reason.
Saying "I had most of the details, and all of the important ones, correct" is not accurate when the only example that actually has any detail is the exact opposite of the picture you're painting: a non-protestor shooting a protestor. On the contrary, this says more about your choice of sources than it does anything else. I could find any type of information, however badly sourced, and then call the rest of the world biased because they're not posting the same content.
The guy who got shot for protesting was not responsible for a violent crime just because someone decided to put a bullet in him. I don't know how else you can interpret that event.
Nevermind the acts by police that don't cause death. They tear gas citizens on a regular basis if so much as an empty water bottle gets lobbed in their direction. I've personally watched videos of them walking right up to people doing absolutely nothing but being present in the vicinity of a protest and pepper-spraying them in the face. Driving cars into a crowd of people. Can we forget the video of when they left the 70-year old man they pushed to the ground to bleed out of his ear while the entire police force walked by like he was less important than an insect?? In many of these cases, the cops are deliberately turning protests into riots by their actions.
The sad truth is that this society is collapsing under the weight of it's own bullshit. Toto already pulled back the curtain. The national government has basically told people to fuck off and die. Some people are perfectly fine and enthusiastic about this. There are those of us that are so goddamned depressed about it we can barely function. And some people are taking to the streets. I sort of wish they wouldn't, but not everyone is capable of wallowing in the misery or cheering it on. But I have no use for these almost exclusively white dipshits cosplaying as revolutionaries.
The cops can't be trusted, the government is AWOL. White anarchists are cosplaying and destroying a movement about an issue they aren't even tangentially effected by themselves. And militia members have forced their way into at least two state legislatures with guns. None of this is going anywhere good. I'm staying in my apartment.
This is a dangerous, dangerous moment for the country as it is currently constituted. I'm not at all convinced it is going to survive, and to be honest, if things take what I would view as an irrevocable turn in November I'm probably going to immediately cease posting anywhere about anything out of pure self-preservation. Because something is deeply, deeply wrong with this country.
I was reading a Twitter thread last night about one of the people killed by the Kenosha gunman and I could barely keep myself from vomiting. My only thought was "if I happened to be in this place instead of this guy, thousands of people would be literally CELEBRATING my death". I responded to someone on Twitter last month, and they responded back about how I "spent all my time around an elementary school". My apartment is across the street from an elementary school. This person had tracked my location within seconds, and seemed to have also viewed my Google Maps activity since I haven't really left a 20 square block radius in 5 months. And was using it to imply I was a sexual predator. I'm honestly not sure how safe this country is going to be for someone with liberal views in 6 months time if this all starts to fall apart.
People giving into fear is the prime requisite of a Hitler regime. Lol, just a weird quote that I have no idea how I remember, “Fear is the mind killer.” Won’t tell you where it came from because it will just expose my geekness. Fear was the primary story in the RNC. Fear is the theme of a nation right now. Who can engender more fear. I don’t take any news outlet as truth because they are only looking for ratings, fear sells and they are underprivileged prostitutes working their corner for all they are worth. Sorry, I feel that is an insult to the prostitutes that are doing what they can to get by. The media is just looking for a larger piece of the pie.
Fear is being used for a reason, it is proven that the stick is always more effective than the carrot.
Give into fear and you have already lost. That is just me talking. I have faced fear enough in my life that we are on a first name basis, it’s in my contacts list. Some of what you fear is legit, some of it can dominate your life and only ever be in our head but both are just as real. I certainly will never get on someone who gives in, I have been there, there has to be something more though right. Something past the fear. People who use fear to control the population are not leaders, they are parasites. Going to make enemies here...
The church or religion has done it, governments have done it, spouses have done it...
bullies do it. Do your life, follow what you think is right and remember the old lady I met outside of Dachau. Lived less than 100m from horror, murder and genocide, “I did not know that the fear I felt, that kept me silent, would never equal the shame I live with. My voice would not have changed anything I think, but me not speaking against wrong has me in guilt, always in guilt”
One ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, we are the ones in a position to give that ounce. How will history remember us?
"Fear is the mindkiller" is from the Bene-Gesserit mantra. See, you're not the only geek in this forum. For those of lesser geekitude, it's from Dune. A very thought-provoking book/series of books btw...
Drat - @Balrog99 got there first. I was going to make the point that there's nothing at all geeky about being a fan of the excellent Dune books. If, on the other hand, you were referring to being a fan of the 1984 film, I would certainly understand a reluctance to disclose that ...
Yeah. What's even more wild is that Biden is still at 50% even in that +6 poll released today. Trump will probably get a small bounce from the RNC. I dont know if it'll stick. I think things will snap back pretty soon, as the USA is close to passing 200,000 deaths from COVID. That number feels like a milestone, and I think it'll weigh upon Trump's presidential chances.
Left wing empathy, straight from the horses mouth. He wasn't in the correct identity group, so his death will be celebrated. We see this moral code play out in big and small ways all over politics.
The pro-Trump rally’s organizer, who recently co-ordinated a similar caravan in Boise, Idaho, said in a video posted on Twitter Saturday afternoon that attendees should only carry concealed weapons and the route was being kept secret for safety reasons.
The caravan had gathered earlier in the day at a suburban mall and drove as a group to the heart of Portland. As they arrived in the city, protesters attempted to stop them by standing in the street and blocking bridges.
Videos from the scene showed sporadic fighting, as well as Trump supporters firing paintball pellets at opponents and using bear spray as counter-protesters threw things at the Trump caravan.
My bet it was friendly fire. This caravan wasn't coming to 'peacefully' anti-protest. They were armed with weapons to agitate the BLM protesters into becoming more violent at dear leaders request.
If anything, if it was a BLM protester that killed him, shouldn't be have more a 'self-defense' argument than the open carrying moron that killed 2? At least this BLM person can use the same excuse cops have used and confused a paintball gun with a real weapon. Think it'll fly? If it doesn't, more double standard to fuel these protests.
This is exactly what Trump wants. A race war in the middle of an American city and his bleating followers are more than happy to give it to him so individuals such as yourself will blame the 'leftist' for everything that happens and then not be able to distinguish between 'leftist' and democrat in the voting booth (or mailbox) come November.
This violence is happening under one person's watch only. That is the person who should be blamed for any of these deaths especially if that individual is fanning the flames.
First of all Andy Ngo is a cheap, partisan hack. He's James O'Keefe with a different backstory.
Anyway like you say we see this moral code come out all the time.
If this was a leftist that was killed we'd hear:
"It was self defense" "The guy that got killed had a misdemeanor and a drug problem"
Vote out Trump, he's stoking this race war because he thinks it helps him politically
https://www.insider.com/dhs-trump-is-letting-right-wing-extremists-start-race-war-2020-8
First off, it's laughable that most of the leftists on the streets are "Biden supporters". Go ask them, my guess is 90% of them will say "fuck Biden, he's a neo-liberal sellout". They likely think Bernie is too milquetoast by half. The pickup brigade though?? They make it QUITE clear who they support.
The United States does not have a leftist party. We have the Democratic Party, which at worst is center-left, could be argued is center-right compared to almost any liberal party in Europe, and just nominated the most centrist candidate imaginable. Trust me, the anarchists have ZERO use for Joe fucking Biden.
I also reiterate again that Joe Biden is in charge of nothing, and Donald Trump has been President for four years. I'm confused as to how Biden is both pulling the strings of protesters while also apparently drooling over being spoon-fed pudding in his basement. I mean, pick one or the other, it can't be both:
To go back to something from earlier, about Rand Paul being "attacked", nothing happened to Rand Paul that doesn't happen at least once a week at every abortion clinic in the country to women trying to enter the building.
Here's what was happening in Portland prior to the shooting:
This is just one example, but here you have a group of people (many of whom seem to be ordinary people trying to cross the street, being a.) maced and b.) almost ran over on purpose by massive trucks when the sign in the video is clearly giving pedestrians the right of way.
Here's a video at a Wal-Mart, a scene which is playing out constantly every day all over the country:
If you don't believe Trump is sitting in the White House with a permanent hard-on watching what he is actively wishing for and flat-out encouraging, you are being willfully obtuse at best. This doesn't end well, it was never going to. And I and a few others predicted it from day one. We are in the final descent into madness. Because her emails:
Trump is pretending a pandemic that has nearly killed 200,000 people is over. His party has refused any economic relief despite what is likely 20% real unemployment. That is not by accident. It's by design. It's designed to make people taking to the street more likely. And then he just dumps the gas on the fire. It's on page 1 of the authoritarian manual.
He's not going anywhere. Either he will win by any combination of the nefarious ways that have been documented they are trying time and again, or he will lose and say he didn't, and unleash his dogs, who the police will side with. It's over. This experiment is done. If I'm wrong, well, thank goodness. If not, I'm going dark.
Approximately 1,000 Americans are dying every day of COVID. While much of the rest of the wealthy world has severely diminished the pandemic's impact. I'm sorry but the violence related to protests is not and should not be a national issue right now.
The amount of outright disinformation about the virus out there that has permeated at LEAST 30% of the population cannot be ignored. Until someone they know dies, they will.......not........care. Apparently, the CDC published a statistic that only 6% of the people who have died of COVID-19 didn't have an underlying condition, which they now take to mean that 94% of the deaths don't count in the official tally.
Never mind that something as simple as obesity is a qualifying underlying condition, which is, what, 40-50% of the population?? By this logic, no one has ever died of AIDS. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who DOESN'T have some kind of underlying condition that COVID-19 could cause havoc with.
The way these conversations take place about the deaths from the virus on the right, they don't even sound like they are talking about people, they sound like they are talking about the slugging percentage of the clean-up hitter for their favorite MLB team. It is positively amazing how quickly the "pro-life" party decided anyone with any underlying medical condition or anyone over the age of 70 became a disposable parasite preventing them from enjoying happy hour and tailgating, but that is where we are.
There is NO disputing where we stand compared to the rest of the world in regards to the virus. The idea that it couldn't have been contained, or (in the case of much of Europe) that corrections couldn't be made to save lives after an initial fuck-up is total BS, because nearly every other country has proven that it IS possible. The quote from one of the officials at the RNC on the White House lawn the other day?? "We all expect to get it at some point".
Well, ok then. If you think 200,000 deaths has caused problems, wait til you're looking at 2-3 million. Of course, that is EXACTLY where we are heading if Trump stays in power. Because he will do NOTHING to prevent it from happening. Nothing. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. If people want to continue living like this indefinitely, let this man stay in power. Have at it. Can you even imagine what kind of shit-show is going to ensue with this Administration attempting to oversee vaccine distribution?? When these same cultists are flat-out saying they won't take it?? A vote for Trump is a vote for living in this exact scenario, only likely far worse, for at LEAST two more years, possibly longer.
The virus does not give a shit about what we want or what our lives used to be like. Never mind the people who survive who now have chronic medical conditions, which doesn't even get mentioned in passing when talking about the pandemic.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/media/news-coverage-proportion-reliable-sources/index.html
An article in CNN that will likely go unheeded by all of the major networks. In some alternate universe this was heeded decades ago in the ?? and everybody lived happily ever after...