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Elminster is a jerk!

lummoxybezlummoxybez Member Posts: 33
With reference to Volo's guide to the Sword Coast and other BG manuals:
Imagine coming across a Lonely Planet guide book that someone had annotated with their own comments in the way the Elmister annotated Volo's works.

You would think they were a right nob!

He sighs in exasperation and repeatedly belittles the author for what he considers innacuracies or subjective opinions rather than fact. He even slates Volo for no real reason, when Volo's comments are accurate and unbiased.
Well go and write your own guide book you pointy-hat-wearing, pipe-smoking jerk!
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  • MusignyMusigny Member Posts: 1,027
    The failed blizzargeddon had secondary effects, me thinks.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315


    Er... at least I assume you are a different person...

    Jury is still out on that one I'm afraid :p
  • dibdib Member Posts: 384
    edited January 2015
    Well, nobody likes a Mary Sue to begin with, so acting like a jerk on top of that won't earn any favours.
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072

    Volo's comments are accurate and unbiased

    ...

    :P
  • lummoxybezlummoxybez Member Posts: 33
    Sometimes, I suspect Volo of being a lush. - Elminster

    Volo is an eminent sage. - Volo
    Eminent indeed! - Elminster

    Why would anyone go to the Black Pits? This seems like poor decision making to me..... - Volo
    I suppose you would know something about that. - Elminster

    I prefer to avoid violence myself. - Volo
    Perhaps because everyone you meet tries to direct violence your way. - Elminster

    Wild mages meddle with power far beyond their control. - Volo
    Not unlike a certain travelogue owner with whom I am unfortunately acquainted. - Elminster

    Tossing about magic will give my chosen profession of mage a bad name. - Volo
    There are plenty of mages whose bad names are richly deserved. - Elminster


    I could continue but I'm fed up of typing on an iPad.

    (jerkiest jerk from Jerksville, Jerklahoma........)
  • lummoxybezlummoxybez Member Posts: 33
    Oh, and:

    (When referring to Silence 15' Radius) Effective for thwarting enemy spell casters. - Volo
    If only the spell could be used more often on you, Volo. - Elminster





    jerk
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315

    Volo also shows frankly a disregard for the impact that the secrets he wants revealed could have if they were revealed. As a Chosen of Mystra Elminster kind of has a responsibility to ensure evil forces don't get a hand on some of these powerful items.

    Or as Elminster puts it regarding Volo's "Guide to All Things Magical"


    What a pretentious title. Not even I would dare to
    pen something that purported to be a guide to all
    things magical. Volo did not even try. What he
    foisted upon Faerûnians hungry for enough
    secrets of magic to make them rulers of the
    Realms was a grab bag full of odds and ends about the Art:
    notes about this and that, gossip, and distorted fragments of
    spells and processes copied from spellbooks on the sly or misremembered
    from brief glimpses snatched in places and on
    occasions when he dared not write anything down.
    In the interests of reader safety, I was forced to spearhead
    an exhaustive search for every last copy of his masterpiece of
    horrorsI think we got them all and then convince him of
    the error of his ways. Just about every other mage who had
    seen the work offered to help in this little task. After due passage
    of time, I agreed that something called Volo’s Guide to All
    Things Magical (that title what an arrogant longnose!) should
    become available across Faerûn, if only to stop greedy adventurers
    from getting themselves killed in the defenses of every
    mage’s tower between Evermeet and Kara-Tur in an attempt
    to gain a copy of the work rumored to yet to survive.

    Yet mark ye it was not going to be the same opus Volo fondly
    thought of as his great gift to all seekers after magic. I set to
    work on the only copy of the text remaining (safely kept up to
    that point in my library) to expunge the worst of his distortions
    and just plain errors in order to keep Faerûn from being overrun
    with uncontrolled elementals and worse summoned
    extraplanar beasts to identify just one consideration.
    And then, of course, a little minor surgery was necessary on
    what he got right. I really do not think the Realms would be
    better off without any wizards around to keep the beholders,
    dragons, drow, orc hordes, petty sword-swinging tyrants,
    insane Baneliches, and other evils at bay and that is what
    would have happened if Volo’s little list of carefully pilfered
    command words, phrases of activation, true names, and the
    like had fallen into the hands of the inhabitants of wider
    Faerûn. Some things only the magically enlightened, whether
    wizards or priests, are meant to know really! Accordingly, I
    considered just what delicate deletions to make and then went
    out and got a good sharp meat axe.

    When a small pile of tattered scraps of parchment were all
    that remained of Volo’s opus, I set to work restating his fumbling
    prose into understandable terms and chopping the
    most irresponsible blow-up-all-Toril spells. What emerged is
    that which ye hold in your hands: a few fragments of useful
    material about magic. These are only the bones of Volo’s
    colossus of magical revelation, but at least they are now the
    right bones to keep the thing standing up.

    Spells found in other recently released volumes of Realms-
    1ore, by the way, for the most part are not repeated herein
    unless substantial amplifications or corrections of earlier
    accounts are also included. With that said, the reader is
    warned that to act on much of the information in these pages
    is inherently dangerous and may even earn the dabbler some
    perilous foes. Moreover, much of the information here in is dangerously wrong!

    On the other hand, the revised work in your hands does
    have value as a source of ideas a spur to the sorcerously creative,
    if ye will. A crucial part of the Art and any understanding
    of it is to recognize that there are many ways to achieve a
    desired effect or result, just as many cooks prepare the same
    dish in different ways. What Volo says herein may be a way of
    doing thus or so, but bear in mind that it is often (nay, usually)
    not the only way of doing it.

    Priests will find some lore of practical use to them in this
    book, and mages who follow other paths to mastery of magic
    will find that what appears herein is almost wholly concerned
    with magic as practiced by humans dwelling in Faerûn.
    Thankfully, Volo resisted the temptation to set down wizard
    jokes in print, so none of them are perpetuated here.

    For all my work, this tome is still a grab bag of this and that
    and not a comprehensive guide at all. That is something that
    can probably never be written. Only the beings known to us as
    Mystra and Azuth could possibly encompass the subject, and I
    can conceive of nothing that would induce them to write a
    work that lays bare in a few pages what should take mortals a
    lifetime of careful study and experimentation to learn the paltry
    beginnings of.

    To readers who trust in the sword or the dagger and hope
    to find in these pages a guide to how to lay mages low, I tender
    the following piece of very good advice: Wizards? Avoid ‘em.
    Life’s better when ye’re not a frog. That anonymous trail saying
    of the Sword Coast lands has been around a long, long
    time, but it is best never forgotten if ye take my point.
    Happy reading, then, dabblers in magic and try to leave a
    little of the Realms still standing when ye are done, will ye not?

  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    Every time I read Volo's name, I think of Frodo Baggins. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!
    Urgh... Why do those names have to sound so irritatingly similar... :confused:
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315

    Every time I read Volo's name, I think of Frodo Baggins. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!
    Urgh... Why do those names have to sound so irritatingly similar... :confused:

    Just think of Han Solo instead :)
  • lummoxybezlummoxybez Member Posts: 33
    Or Marco Polo.
  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,875
    Or Ebola.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited January 2015
    Or hobos. Named Gogol.

    Polo-playing gogo dancer Gogol hobos.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    What was this thread about again?
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,725

    Every time I read Volo's name, I think of Frodo Baggins. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!
    Urgh... Why do those names have to sound so irritatingly similar... :confused:

    everytime I read about Elminster I think of Gandalf

    everytime I read about Gandalf I think of Elminster
  • wubblewubble Member Posts: 3,156
    bengoshi said:

    Every time I read Volo's name, I think of Frodo Baggins. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!
    Urgh... Why do those names have to sound so irritatingly similar... :confused:

    everytime I read about Elminster I think of Gandalf

    everytime I read about Gandalf I think of Elminster
    They are essentially the same character, along with Dumbledore.
  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 10,214
    wubble said:

    bengoshi said:

    Every time I read Volo's name, I think of Frodo Baggins. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!
    Urgh... Why do those names have to sound so irritatingly similar... :confused:

    everytime I read about Elminster I think of Gandalf

    everytime I read about Gandalf I think of Elminster
    They are essentially the same character, along with Dumbledore.
    His real name is Elgandore but that's a secret...
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    Every time I think about Elminster I think about Ed Greenwood pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable in fantasy literature back in the early 90s.

    But yeah, he's not very nice to Volo.
  • NimranNimran Member Posts: 4,875
    Wubbledore
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    @Dee - pushing the boundaries you say? How so?
  • DjimmyDjimmy Member Posts: 749

    Sorry. Not you "elminster".
    I meant "Elminster" with a capital E.

    Er... at least I assume you are a different person...

    No, he is not!!! I bet you are a frog already :o lol jk
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    @Dee - Ah, I see. I meant it as an honest question, by the way (in case I came of as trying to contradict you), as I haven't read anything by Greenwood myself.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    Dee said:

    He spends several years transmuted as a woman, has a loving relationship with a man, and then when he returns to his original gender his loving feelings for that man are continued, which suggests that his gender and sexual identity are not confined to one end of the spectrum or the other. Ed Greenwood also does an expert job of not making it a big deal, which allows the reader to open their mind without being told to do so. It's not something you would normally see in fantasy literature, and it's such a small part of the story that it often gets overlooked in favor of the more exciting sequences of spellfire battles.

    Elminster certainly isn't my favorite fantasy character (that honor goes alternately to Kvothe, Denna, and Auri, depending on my mood), but I definitely elevate him beyond Mary Sue status.

    Well, for a long time he has been a Marty Stu... :wink: But I see your point, an overpowered character doesn't have to be a Sue. I don't see Tempus Thales as a Marty Stu, but he is absurdly powerful. He certainly has an incredibly awful existence.
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