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My gripe about Christmas.

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  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    I also work part-time in a Public Library. :)

    NonnahswriterBelgarathMTHtypo_tilly
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,456
    @Mathsorcerer You work in Healthcare IT? I work in healthcare industry as well. As an intern I don't have your level of responsibility yet :D

    MathsorcererNotabarbiegirl
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    LadyRhian said:

    I also work part-time in a Public Library. :)

    I know! :blush: We can be book buddies! :smiley:

    FinneousPJelminster
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    @FinneousPJ Indeed I do, since 2006. At least this job is inherently less stressful than the last one--I don't have ICU nurses calling me and telling me that the ICU status board is down again. Oh, joy--I have 1 minute to fix it before things get ugly. *yeesh*

    FinneousPJNotabarbiegirl
  • ReibornReiborn Member Posts: 156
    You think you've got a problem?
    I'm Jewish, we don't have Christmas lol
    so unless some friends invite us over no extra holiday for me :(

    semiticgod
  • NotabarbiegirlNotabarbiegirl Member Posts: 143

    Those of us who have worked retail have been there with you, @Nonnahswriter. That kind of work schedule on holidays applies to various IT jobs as well. I have the emergency phone (when the queue shuts down incoming calls route to it) so when the people who work at my company get calls from patients asking about their medical supplies and problems arise my phone will ring, even on holidays. Our locations are listed as "staffing as directed by local management" on the 24th, so I know some people will be working thus I will be working, as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the on-call pharmacists get a call on the 25th; if they encounter troubles then my phone will ring on that day, as well.

    My other gripe about Christmas was the lack of goats--they can be festive, too. Fortunately, now we have Christmas carols sung by goats. Purchasing the album also contributes to a good cause, too.




    And here we will start the proof of Marriage:
    I will not be pleased with the goats album my dear @Mathsorcerer . Buy it if you must, you can listen to it when I am NOT around. Recall, I left you in the living room when you were listening to selections On-Line. It was worthy of pain reliever. He doth forget that I endure young musicians practicing instruments on a regular basis.

    @Nonnahswriter I have sympathy and empathy for your situation. I worked retail a long time and understand the woes that go with the field. Best advise: chin up, smile on, be friendly and efficient. On your break find a place you can let off steam.

    Nonnahswriter
  • SkaroseSkarose Member Posts: 247
    Some among the Beamdog community wish all of you a happy Festivus!

    So put up your Poles and start wrestling!

    Perhaps we can air grievances later?

    It's a Festivus Miracle!image

    NotabarbiegirlelminsterNimranButtercheese
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018


    @Nonnahswriter I have sympathy and empathy for your situation. I worked retail a long time and understand the woes that go with the field. Best advise: chin up, smile on, be friendly and efficient. On your break find a place you can let off steam.

    I find voodoo dolls to be quite effective.

    Notabarbiegirl
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694

    LadyRhian said:

    I also work part-time in a Public Library. :)

    I know! :blush: We can be book buddies! :smiley:
    :) I'd like that!

    NonnahswriterelminsterNotabarbiegirl
  • QbertQbert Member Posts: 193

    meagloth said:

    especially people who celebrate it as a religious holiday(which it is, btw. Regardless of the association with saturnalia or the fact that atheists still celebrate it you can not say it isn't a christmas holiday.)

    This is the kind of attitude that bothers me the most, the fact that religious Christians take such a proprietary stance about the holiday. Historians all believe that if there was a being such as Jesus Christ, that he was most emphatically not born in winter time. The Winter Solstice was adopted as the date because (among other reasons), people needed something to celebrate during the 'Down' season.

    Not to mention, what does Santa Claus and elves and mistletoe have to do with the birth of Christ? The answer is nothing at all. The 'Christmas tree' was pagan. The actual day itself was a Pagan holy day. It is actually MUCH more of a pagan holiday than anything Christian.

    But more than that, the overwhelming sense that Christians look DOWN on the rest of the world for celebrating "Their" holiday. Given the tenants that Christianity is based on, love, sharing and generosity, I would think that they might tone down their "holier than tho" attitude a bit.
    This is the first time i've heard someone say that historians don't think Jesus was a real person. Everything I've read says exactly the opposite. In fact there is as much or more evidence that he existed as nearly any other famous ancient person. Even the wiki says that the vast majority of scholars agree that he existed with all the relevant citations to properly agnostic historians needed to satisfy all but the most fanatical contrary mind. As to the date of his birth, I've yet to hear anyone nail down solid evidence that they know anything at all when he was born. So i don't think people can say he was or wasn't born on a certain date.

    Whatever the reason the church chose that date as the date to CELEBRATE the birth of Christ (whenever it really was,since they didn't know) if not for Christians celebrating that day, Christmas would not exist, so it certainly seems properly proprietary to me. I find it hard to believe that pagans celebrating saturnalia would have made that day famous to the whole world in the same way. Also Santa Claus is St. Nicholas btw.

    Sorry you feel that Christians look down on you or are holier than thou. Your posts seem very anti-Christian when it comes to Christmas. Perhaps you've had bad experiences but don't let that color your perception of an entire group of people (1/3 of the entire population of earth 2.2 billion!)

    semiticgodNimran
  • SionIVSionIV Member Posts: 2,686
    edited December 2015
    Jesus of Nazareth is a historical person.

    Jesus Christ is not a historical person.

    In religion it comes down to which Jesus you are talking about, there is a historical Jesus and a Religious/Mythical one. Jesus is mentioned in several Roman scriptures, so he is a historical figure, but him being the son of god is a myth, as that cannot be proven.

    The birth of Jesus was written in the gospel of Luke, and he puts the birth of Jesus within 4 BC (Death of Herod The Great) and 6 AD (Census of Quirinius).

    In Scandinavia, Christmas is more a cultural thing than religious.

    FinneousPJsemiticgodTJ_HookerButtercheese
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    @Qbert - I don't mean to make this personal and I don't have a problem with Christians at all, merely when I see someone express an attitude that is condescending towards anyone who isn't christian who might celebrate the holiday.

    As far as it goes, be very careful of what you read on wikis. They aren't by any means rigorous in their research or content. I worded my response the way I did because there are some scholars who doubt the existence of Jesus Christ and i was including them in my statement rather than excluding a community.

    Since we don't know what religions may or may not have arisen in absence of Christianity, it is a fools game to speculate. This doesn't change the fact that celebrating 'The birth of Christ' on the day that the pagans had their celebration, when all evidence suggests that was NOT his birth day kind of casts significant doubt on any proprietary ownership of the day. Just because 'The Church' decided to hijack another holiday and make it their own, does not give them ownership rights to it, nor exclusivity to it such that they have the right (which they tend to exercise anyway) to look down on those who don't believe as they do yet celebrate the day anyway.

    And regardless of that, celebration of Christmas in this day and age is significantly more about commercialism and sales than any sort of religious holiday.

    YamchaBelgarathMTH
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    SionIV said:


    In Scandinavia, Christmas is more a cultural thing than religious.

    In many ways it is like that in the US, though some might find offense in the saying of it (not my intent). We try and observe a separation of Church and State yet the State recognizes it as a Holiday. Non-religious businesses and organizations recognize it as a holiday, not "Necessarily" because of the religious ramifications, but simply because of the culture. Certainly corporations absolutely thrive on it, not from the perspective of any religious meaning, but because it absolutely boosts sales through the roof during that time of year. In short, there are probably as many reasons to celebrate as there are people in the United State and not all of them (and maybe not most of them) are religious in nature.

    I personally see it as a day (season) to spread cheer and to be nicer to everyone for a while. I don't feel that you have to believe a certain way or have a certain faith in order to do that or celebrate that. In fact I think that the idea that it is proprietary and exclusive to one group or another is rather anathema to the intent of the holiday. But that's simply my point of view and others may see it differently.

    In any case, I do not and did not intend to start a whole religion war here. So I'll back off at this stage.

    NimranSionIVBelgarathMTH
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,839


    I knew it... I always knew it!

  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member Posts: 14,398
    Humph. I was about to post something horribly offensive and inflammatory, but @Qbert just spoiled it. Now it'd just feel wrong.

    Eh, I suppose it's not a total loss. At least Santa is watching how good I'm being.

    NimranBelgarathMTHNotabarbiegirlJuliusBorisov
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Not to hijack the thread or anything, but here is a question for everyone.

    You find yourself trapped on 'The satellite of Love', only instead of being forced to watch Bad Science Fiction movies over and over again, you are inundated with only Christmas movies. My question is, what movie would finally push you over the edge, and why?

    image

    Notabarbiegirl
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,145
    Probably Home Alone 3, but only after watching the first two and going "why?"

    the_spyder
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 20,949
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