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  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    My take on the Brian Williams incidents and the media in the US

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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    In case anyone is like me and has no clue about the Brian Williams thing @booinyoureyes is referring to.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/nbcs-brian-williams-takes-himself-off-the-air-1423347161
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2015
    Our Ken doll Harper gov't just deputized the Canada Revenue Agency so it's fitting to find this thread bumped.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cra-has-new-mandate-to-fight-crime-by-passing-suspect-info-to-police-1.2226319#ixzz3RBQdRZep

    I'll spare you the left leaning rant about omnibus bills and neo-liberal facists but I'd be grateful if someone could take this dubya clone off our hands. Does next October work for anyone?

    *The CBC was down for a few minutes so I'll add:

    "No judicial warrants required in CRA's new powers"
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/revenue-canada-has-new-powers-to-pass-suspect-criminal-info-to-police-1.2949693
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    We've actually had a similar relationship between the IRS and the FBI in the States since back in the 20s. It is how Al Capone, the notorious Chicago mafioso, was eventually arrested and imprisoned.

    Its fine as long as a warrant is necessary to show that such information is relevant to a particular investigation, but here in the States the IRS has already claimed the "right" to search people's emails without a warrant (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/irs-tells-agents-it-can-snoop-on-emails-without-warrant-internal-documents-show/).

    It sucks that Canada's tax man is up to no good, but considering the recent scandals involving the IRS I'd say your revenue service isn't as bad as ours just yet.
  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    Depends, if they target tax avoidance of large corps & multi-nationals it's not neo-liberal, if they don't it is.

  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432
    So after the LibSpill, Toxic Tony remains. I can't tell you how happy this make me, not because I'm a Lib but because while he's still there the Libs are going to get an absolute kicking. *Grabs Popcorn & Settles in to watch the car crash, in slo-mo, over & over & over*
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited February 2015
    North60 said:


    I'll spare you the left leaning rant about omnibus bills and neo-liberal facists but I'd be grateful if someone could take this dubya clone off our hands. Does next October work for anyone?

    Yea not going to happen. The carbon tax Trudeau has proposed will ensure that.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    edited February 2015
    What do you guys think about Putin's assburgers? I laughed out loud when I saw that news. Reminded me of this:

    http://youtu.be/wt2u4dlZBHE
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    elminster said:

    CrevsDaak said:

    meagloth‌ that was some time ago (it was serious (I mean, the people was offended and they attacked him... Not a serious political thing in any way) but not relevant in any, since nobody died xD), besides it's nothing compared with what happened now (a public prosecutor was going to present accusations about the president and part of her party of idiots because of an alliance with some terrorist from Iran and because of covering some attacks on the AMIA and other things by part of some crazies from Iran, but he got killed by agents of the government).

    Apparently your government is claiming it was the protesters who killed him. Which to me seems about as likely as a zombified Elvis killing him.
    Yeah, you're right. Here there were already a lot of attack by zombie Elvis.

    BTW, when they found him dead they've say he had committed suicide :tongue: Bloody liars.
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    We've actually had a similar relationship between the IRS and the FBI in the States since back in the 20s. It is how Al Capone, the notorious Chicago mafioso, was eventually arrested and imprisoned.

    Its fine as long as a warrant is necessary to show that such information is relevant to a particular investigation, but here in the States the IRS has already claimed the "right" to search people's emails without a warrant (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/irs-tells-agents-it-can-snoop-on-emails-without-warrant-internal-documents-show/).

    It sucks that Canada's tax man is up to no good, but considering the recent scandals involving the IRS I'd say your revenue service isn't as bad as ours just yet.

    The term was used quickly and without reference. In replace of a clumsy attempt on my part I'll leave this: 'Neo-liberalism : trickle-down, deregulating, deunionizing, globalizing free market privatization of government.'

    "When Stephen Harper was studying under the "Calgary school" in the 80's, he became so enamored with the neo-liberalism of Austrian philosopher Friedrich von Hayek - guru to Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, the Chicago boys, the IMF, and the WTO - it formed the basis of his 1991 political economics thesis."
    http://creekside1.blogspot.ca/2014/10/harperism-from-harper-and-hayek-to-koch.html

    I read somewhere about that Capone connection. I can only hope for the best of results but I'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to politics/politicians. Our CRA has already been enlisted to strong-arm/censor non-profits with 'opinions' running counter to our little king.

    The CRA is one of the most poorly managed government agencies in Canada. I won't even bother to back this up with any www links. It's frustrating how inept and over funded this agency is. It really sounds like we have just given birth to a cousin of your IRS. The family resemblance does not surprise me in the least.

    I just disagree with the way the world is going. Our collective priorities are depressingly misplaced.

    regards,
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    Depends, if they target tax avoidance of large corps & multi-nationals it's not neo-liberal, if they don't it is.

    ugh ..... :/

    something about both hands and a map comes to mind
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14
    elminster said:

    North60 said:


    I'll spare you the left leaning rant about omnibus bills and neo-liberal facists but I'd be grateful if someone could take this dubya clone off our hands. Does next October work for anyone?

    Yea not going to happen. The carbon tax Trudeau has proposed will ensure that.
    Even a minority government would staunch some of the bleeding.
  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432
    North60 said:

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    Depends, if they target tax avoidance of large corps & multi-nationals it's not neo-liberal, if they don't it is.

    ugh ..... :/

    something about both hands and a map comes to mind
    Your point being?

  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    North60 said:


    I'll spare you the left leaning rant about omnibus bills and neo-liberal facists but I'd be grateful if someone could take this dubya clone off our hands. Does next October work for anyone?

    Something tells me you'll regret those words come 2016 and you have the real dubya clone:

    Son of a former prime minister
    No leadership qualities
    Always having his foot in his mouth
    No foreign affairs experience or policies
    The budget will balance itself

    train wreck, but with great hair, Trudeau being puppetted by people who you don't even know the names of because they call all the shots behind the scene.

    But fear the Conservatives and anything they do because they are the boogey men out to get you.
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14

    North60 said:



    The term was used quickly and without reference. In replace of a clumsy attempt on my part I'll leave this: 'Neo-liberalism : trickle-down, deregulating, deunionizing, globalizing free market privatization of government.'

    "When Stephen Harper was studying under the "Calgary school" in the 80's, he became so enamored with the neo-liberalism of Austrian philosopher Friedrich von Hayek - guru to Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, the Chicago boys, the IMF, and the WTO - it formed the basis of his 1991 political economics thesis."
    http://creekside1.blogspot.ca/2014/10/harperism-from-harper-and-hayek-to-koch.html

    "Neo-liberal fascism" is an oxymoron... free markets are by nature anti-authoritarian and globalization requires a breaking down of ethnic and cultural barriers that fascism fees off of. I don't know of a single classical liberal or modern American-style libertarian economist who agrees with protectionism to prop up national corporations or who supports a nativist approach to immigration, two of the most basic tenets of fascism.
    Thanks for this.

    The term fascist was certainly meant to be pejorative - maybe 'authoritarian' might be more accurate. He definitely is worthy of some sort of thuggish description.

    As you can probably can tell I'm only a disgruntled neophyte with internet access so the 'education' is appreciated.

    cheers!
  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14

    North60 said:

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    Depends, if they target tax avoidance of large corps & multi-nationals it's not neo-liberal, if they don't it is.

    ugh ..... :/

    something about both hands and a map comes to mind
    Your point being?

    With the amount of banking details leaked over the past year it shouldn't be that difficult to find the big dodgers.

    My cynical nature immediately suspects a lack of political will to be perfectly honest.
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  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432
    North60 said:

    North60 said:

    Sorry, but I really can't really see anything "neo-liberal" about giving more power to a tax-collecting agency. Really, a bit of a misused political pejorative.

    Depends, if they target tax avoidance of large corps & multi-nationals it's not neo-liberal, if they don't it is.

    ugh ..... :/

    something about both hands and a map comes to mind
    Your point being?

    With the amount of banking details leaked over the past year it shouldn't be that difficult to find the big dodgers.

    My cynical nature immediately suspects a lack of political will to be perfectly honest.
    Cynical? Entirely understandable I'd say. Of course there isn't any will, it means biting the hand that feeds them!

  • North60North60 Member Posts: 14
    deltago said:

    North60 said:


    I'll spare you the left leaning rant about omnibus bills and neo-liberal facists but I'd be grateful if someone could take this dubya clone off our hands. Does next October work for anyone?

    Something tells me you'll regret those words come 2016 and you have the real dubya clone:

    Son of a former prime minister
    No leadership qualities
    Always having his foot in his mouth
    No foreign affairs experience or policies
    The budget will balance itself

    train wreck, but with great hair, Trudeau being puppetted by people who you don't even know the names of because they call all the shots behind the scene.

    But fear the Conservatives and anything they do because they are the boogey men out to get you.
    I'm unsure who I'm voting for. The first past the post system is broken imo so I might just HAVE to vote liberal this October. We won't see proportional representation this time around but maybe we can hope for next time.

    In the end, no matter who wins, we are all voting for the same party politics - no matter how young, old, experienced or idyllistic the candidate.

    Yea, I'm disillusioned.

    :)
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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited February 2015

    Ranked ballots or even proportional representation... we need to get rid of first past the post. -_- Strategic voting has to go.

    I wish we had nothing but independents running, because voters would be forced to learn about the candidates and no candidate would be forced to vote along party lines or follow a party creed or the boys in short pants. But there's no way you can outlaw parties -- or the people who vote for party flags and not for the candidates themselves.

    On the other hand at a municipal level Toronto (where I live) doesn't have parties and voters still don't bother to learn about candidates, so I doubt the results would be much different (regardless of the level of government). For instance 37/44 city councillors in Toronto ran again in the last election. 36 of those 37 were re-elected (even Rob Ford won his old council seat back). This also happened when voter turnout was unusually high (at least by modern Canadian standards).

    That said we really do need ranked balloting. It really just seems like the most fair approach. However, I doubt parties will ever agree to it (they have everything to lose and nothing to gain from it).
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    I assume the Russians are keeping Crimea then?
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  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    I just don't understand what Putin thinks he can accomplish in Ukraine. He's already ruined Russia's reputation for several years to come. He says one thing and does the other. I mean I don't think anybody believes that Russian forces aren't involved in Ukraine. The rebels would never have that kind of firepower. As a Finn I'm seriously concerned about the recent development and I would vote for Finland to join Nato if such a vote was held.
  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 436
    Baha, well the feeling in South Africa is .. complex?

    Pres Zuma did his state ot nation thing last night, which was disrupted, and the opposition MPs were removed by police. Also the state media agency had blocked cell phone signals into the building, so this video had to be uploaded after the reporter left parliament. Which all seems like the work of a super-incompetent police state.

    http://www.enca.com/south-africa/eff-disrupts-sona-ordered-leave-parliament

    http://ewn.co.za/2015/02/12/The-extreme-highs-and-lows-of-Sona-2015

    To clarify, the ANC majority has mostly degenerated into a corrupt nepotistic bunch of wannabe dictators. The EFF are the ones in red, similarly corrupt wannabe dictators, but they broke away from the ANC youth league because the old farts weren't dying fast enough. The main distinguishing feature is the ANC is probably lawful-aligned while the EFF is best described as chaotic.

    The reason for the disruption is because Zuma stole $21M to upgrade his house, and the EFF want him to pay it back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkandla_(homestead)

    The ones in white in the video are police. The official opposition party, the DA, best described as lawful capitalist, later staged a walkout to protest the ANC's use of police within parliament. The DA said that while he should indeed pay it back, government as a whole is stealing billions, which is a more pressing problem, which this sideshow is masking.
  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 436
    My feeling on western politics is that it's all a dogshow put on for the masses, by the super-rich. Politicians are paid to play out an insane soap-opera to distract us from the inherent flaws in our economic system. Our entire civilisation's economy is a massive money-making machine designed to make the rich richer.

    This differs from my normal view, that if something goes wrong, it's almost never due to the evil machinations of some super-intelligent psychopath. Mostly it's due to incompetence and stupidity.

    However, in the case of the super-rich, all you need is to produce the occasional child who's more than usually bright, because they're experienced at manufacturing sadistic psychopathic bullies out of rough clay, so to speak.

    As for African politics, there are shades of the capitalist soap-opera going on, but it all feels like a veneer over the real business of petty warlords squabbling over whatever they can steal.
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