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General questions. IWD for newbies and semiprofs

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  • SjerrieSjerrie Member Posts: 1,004
    @moflahfe Since you're in the beginnning of the game it does sound more like a bug (no pun intended)...

    Your best bet would probably be in the dedicated bug topics around here.

    typo_tilly
  • IamdorfIamdorf Member Posts: 38
    moflahfe said:

    Beetle bugs, basically anything that I have fought so far. Thankfully for quick saves where I can go back and start over. I'm right at the beginning of the game. I went down into the cellar and got stuck. Then I started over and went a different way and was tricked by a man in a bar to go to a castle and was attacked. Each battle, as soon as I took hits I went yellow and couldn't move.

    I'm confused by the problem. You fight bugs in town in the main game. The man who tricks you to going to the castle is in the expansion HoW (more specifically the trials of the Luremaster). Perhaps your characters are getting stunned by the blows. Check the difficulty settings. Also you shouldn't do HoW until you have a higher level group.

    typo_tilly
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 3,251
    If you're fighting Harpys you'll probably end up losing control over your party. It happens due to one of the creature's special abilities.

    Protect your party with Remove Fear and you should be fine.

    Iamdorftypo_tilly
  • moflahfemoflahfe Member Posts: 3
    Thank you for all of your suggestions. I will try them.

    Iamdorf
  • SacerdorSacerdor Member Posts: 2
    I'm new To IWD, but have played bg. Although i have some questions.

    1.) Do i dual-class a Berserker into a Cleric at level 7 or 9 ? I've read different things.

    2.) What would be a good addition to: Skald + Archer + Bers/Cleric Dual + Sorc + Fighter/Thief/Mage Multi ? I was thinking of something with priest spells until by Bers/Cleric levels up. So Maybe Fighter/Druid Multi ? Or Fighter/Cleric Multi ?

    3.) I guess having those "fraction Points" of Strength (like 18/85) is more important as dump stats ? Is the second number completely random ?

    4.) As i never played a Sorcerer, what spells should i prioritize learning ?

    5.) Should my archer concentrate on longbows while having one melee proficiency or should i put points in longbows + crossbows to be more flexible ?

    6.) Is my "frontline" strong enough ? Because for me it looks like i'm a little on the squishy side.

    I hope somebody can answer my questions so that i'm no longer stuck in character creation. Thank you in advance.

  • Rik_KirtaniyaRik_Kirtaniya Member Posts: 1,337
    edited January 9
    Hi there, @Sacerdor! Let me answer your questions:

    1. If you're just looking for an extra 1/2 APR, then level 7 is when you dual class, but dualling at level 9 gives you an extra proficiency point as well as improves your THAC0 (besides the extra half APR).

    However let me tell you something. Since there are a lot more monsters, and consequently a much, much larger sum of XP in IWD (especially with the HOW and TOTLM expansions), as compared to BG, you level up really quick. The interesting thing here is that IWD has NO XP cap. Instead it has a level cap. This means single classes max out at level 30, but multiclasses can reach 30/30 or 30/30/30 in all their classes. So, in the long run, multi-classing is much more rewarding in this game (unless you want to play with class kits).

    So in this case, I'd rather suggest a F/C multi-class (preferably Dwarven or Half-Orc) over the Berserker/Cleric dual. (There aren't any creatures like Kangaxx here, if you know what I mean. ;) ) Though an "unfixed" Ranger/Cleric multi (that is one having access to all the Druid spells, as in the earlier versions) is my favourite here.

    2. Fighter/Druid (or unfixed Ranger/Cleric) would be a great addition to this party (since Druid spells are much better in IWD than in BG), provided you are sure you want to play with this party. And hey, pick an un-kitted Bard over the Skald. They're a lot better in IWD, thanks to a large number of improved songs than in BG.

    3. Those fractional strength points give you bonus to hit and damage. And yes, they are completely random (unless you want to set them with EEKeeper). Two more things, only fighter type classes can have them, and 18/00 is better than 18/99.

    4. Ah, Sorcerer spells! You ask a most wise question! Fear not, for I've got it all covered. The fact is I've written a spell selection guide for a solo Sorcerer (which is very well applicable for the party Sorcerer as well) in the 11th Issue of the Wild Surge magazine. You can download the issue from this thread. Hope that helps! :blush:

    5. You'll get 14 proficient points with the Archer upto level 30. So, I'd say it's safe, and indeed better, to specialise in two weapons for flexibility. Just keep something like a dagger handy! ;)

    6. Yes, your current frontline is a little squishy. Skald, archer and sorcerer are better at the back, and F/M/T cannot wear most armors for their spells, which leaves only your Berserker/Cleric dual (who won't get a decent APR and unbuffed THAC0) and the other undecided class. Make a few changes (based on what i said about single and multi classes) and you should be fine! :) (And whatever you do, always keep the Sorcerer. In my opinion, it's the best single class character!)

    I hope I've been able to help you with your doubts! Enjoy the game! It's fantastic!

    Post edited by Rik_Kirtaniya on
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  • SacerdorSacerdor Member Posts: 2
    First off all thank you a lot for your time and effort. Especially your magazine article helped a lot. Otherwise i would have taken sleep and breach for sure. But some have raised some additional questions.

    1.) I think i've read the advantage of Dualclass Fighter->Mage besides being able to chose a kit is that they are able to earn grandmastery in IWD, while a Multiclass can't. Is this right and is a big deal ?

    2.) Who ends up with a better THAC0 ? Will the Dualclass end up with the Clerics THAC0-Table? Does the Multiclass geht the Fighters bonus APR ?

    3.) What would be the advantage of a "pure" bard over a Skald ? I thought the Boni to your songs, that the Skald gets, would be kind of nice.

    4.) Changing the Fighter/Cleric from Dual to Multiclass will ensure, that i always have 1 good melee char but it still looks squishy since F/M/T probably takes some time until it's a fully reliable melee char. What about exchanging the Archer for something else ? Or take a Paladin Kit instead of the Fighter/Druid and Multiclass the Cleric like you said ?

    I'm really looking forward to play the game. I think i played a demo version of the game, which only included the prologue back in the days and it was rather challenging. That's why i'm trying to prepare before making to many rookie mistakes.

    typo_tillyRik_KirtaniyaJuliusBorisov
  • Rik_KirtaniyaRik_Kirtaniya Member Posts: 1,337
    edited January 11
    @Sacerdor

    1. True, that's right. Whether it's a big deal or not depends on what you want. Grandmastery in IWD gives you an extra 1 APR over specialization (compared to just an extra 1/2 APR in BG), besides the to hit and damage bonuses. However, whether you get the maximum bonuses depends on when you dual from fighter to mage. Since fighters get extra 1/2 APRs at levels 7 and 13 (an extra 1 APR in total), you might miss them if you do an early dual, but with a multi-class, you'll always be getting those when your classes reach the said levels.

    What I mean is:

    * Fighter (less than 7) dual + Grandmastery (which includes specialization) = 1 (base) + 1 (+1/2 ) = 2.5 APR

    * Fighter (7) dual + Grandmastery (which includes specialization) = 1 (base) + 1/2 (level bonus) + 1 (+1/2 ) = 3 APR

    * Fighter (13) dual + Grandmastery (which includes specialization) = 1 (base) + 1 (level bonus) + 1 + (+1/2) = 3.5 APR

    * Fighter multi + specialization only = 1 (base) + 1 (level bonus) + 1/2 = 2.5 APR

    So a multi-class fighter has only .5 less APR than a level 7 dual and 1 APR less than a level 13 dual. So, as you see, only late duals (level 13+) make a more significant difference. Do note that the multi-class still has the better THAC0 of the two. However, Tenser's Transformation with the dual class will give you the necessary THAC0 trading your ability to cast spells for the duration of effect. (Note that you get the scroll of Tenser's Transformation very late in the game, until which point your dual can be crippled as a frontliner against high AC mobs). You can now judge and see which one you want. :)

    Do keep in mind, however, that the Grandmastery will cause you to be powerful in only one type of weapon. In other words, you'll lose the versatility and alternate weapon choices.

    2. The multi-class ends up with a better THAC0. The dual class will end up with the second class's (in this case, the Cleric's) THAC0 table. The multi-class does get the Fighter's bonus APR at levels 7 and 13.

    3. The plain Bard:

    1st level: Can play “The Ballad of Three Heroes.”
    All allies within 30 ft. gain +1 to hit, +1 to damage, and +1 to all their Saving Throws.

    3rd level: Can play “The Tale of Curran Strongheart.”
    All allies within 30 ft. gain immunity to fear effects for as long as the song lasts, and any fear effects currently on them are removed.

    5th level: Can play “Tymora’s Melody.”
    All allies within 30 ft. gain +1 to luck, +3 to Saving Throws, +10 to lore, and a +10% bonus to all of their thieving skills.

    7th level: Can play “The Song of Kaudies.”
    All allies within 30 ft. have a 50% chance to shrug off the effects of spells such as Silence, Shout, Great Shout, Command, Greater Command, or any other sound-based attack.

    9th level: Can play “The Siren’s Yearning.”
    All enemies within 30 ft. must save vs. Spell or become enthralled, unable to take action until 1 round passes or they take damage.

    11th level: Can play “War Chant of Sith.”
    All allies within 30 ft. gain a +2 bonus to Armor Class, +10% resistance to slashing, piercing, crushing, and missile damage, and the ability to regenerate 2 Hit Points per round.



    The Skald’s song, however, has the following effects:

    1st level: Grants allies a +2 bonus to hit and damage rolls and a +2 bonus to AC.

    15th level: Grants allies a +4 bonus to hit and damage rolls, a +4 bonus to AC, and immunity to fear.

    20th level: Grants allies a +4 bonus to hit and damage rolls, a +4 bonus to AC, and immunity to fear, stun, and confusion.


    The Skald cannot play “The Ballad of Three Heroes,” “The Tale of Curran Strongheart,” “Tymora’s Melody,” “The Song of Kaudies,” “The Siren’s Yearning,” and “War Chant of Sith.”

    The plain bard's songs are obviously superior (especially see the “War Chant of Sith.”), which makes it a more popular choice for players. You can now compare and judge which one is more suitable for your party. :)

    4. Paladins are nice, especially the Cavalier and Blackguard. Fighter/Druids (and the "unfixed" Ranger/Cleric) get a lot of cool Druid spells besides being tough in combat. The Archer will do great amounts of damage, but needs to be protected. Shadowdancer is also a fun addition, which needs some micromanagement but is great, since only a very few enemies can see through invisibility. (IWD is the backstabber's paradise, just be sure to turn off 3E sneak attacks in the game settings.) Besides it will take the load off your F/M/T whom you can turn to just F/M for quicker leveling if you want.

    In the end, it all depends on how you want to play. So then, gather your party before venturing forth and enjoy!

    EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to tell something. Arcane spell scrolls are much much rarer in IWD than in BG. So whenever you get them, use them carefully. Also, when using more than one non-spontaneous arcane caster (like the Bard and F/M/T), don't scribe all the spells on one of them, but divide important spells among the two. Like for example, give one of them Lightning Bolt and the other one Fireball, because you aren't getting more than one of each scroll in most cases.

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  • DragonOfShadesDragonOfShades Member Posts: 56
    Is there a way to find the names for the quest variables? Or if someone could tell me, what's the name for the variable for
    destroying the lich in Dorn's Deep?

  • VasculioVasculio Member Posts: 417
    edited January 13
    Advice for my newbie friends! Listen to Alveus Malcanter and don't be a James! https://youtube.com/watch?v=h28wviRequY

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