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  • ArdulArdul Member Posts: 211
    edited February 2019
    I have had a similar issue on a different install. Trying to install EET using the EET BWS Installer.

    Mods installed so far:
    [.\weidu.conf] loaded, 16 bytes
    [.\lang\en_us\dialog.tlk] 320471 string entries
    Using Language [English]
    [English] has 1 top-level TRA files
    [faiths_and_powers/language/english/setup.tra] has 1234 translation strings

    Using .\lang\en_us\dialog.tlk
    SETUP-WEIDU.TP2 0 0 Installed
    EET/EET.TP2 0 0 Installed
    EET_FIX/EET_FIX.TP2 0 0 Installed
    AC_QUEST/AC_QUEST.TP2 1 0 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 0 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 103 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 1 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 2 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 3 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 4 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 5 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 104 Installed
    ASCENSION/ASCENSION.TP2 0 105 Installed
    ASSASSINATIONS/SETUP-ASSASSINATIONS.TP2 0 0 Installed
    AURENASEPH/SETUP-AURENASEPH.TP2 0 0 Installed
    ISRA_BG2/ISRA_BG2.TP2 0 0 Installed
    DEARNISE/DEARNISE.TP2 0 0 Installed
    MAZZY/SETUP-MAZZY.TP2 0 0 Installed
    IMOENFRIENDSHIP/IMOENFRIENDSHIP.TP2 0 0 Installed
    KELSEY.TP2 0 0 Installed
    SETUP-KETO.TP2 0 0 Installed
    SETUP-KETO.TP2 0 1 Installed
    HAERDALIS_FRIENDSHIP/HAERDALIS_FRIENDSHIP.TP2 0 0 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 0 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 1 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 2 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 4 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 5 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 6 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 7 Installed
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    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 17 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 18 Installed
    UB/SETUP-UB.TP2 0 21 Installed
    ALTERNATIVES/SETUP-ALTERNATIVES.TP2 0 0 Installed
    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 6 Installed
    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 7 Installed
    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 8 Installed
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    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 19 Installed
    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 20 Installed
    SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2 0 21 Installed
    WHEELS/SETUP-WHEELS.TP2 0 0 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 0 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 10 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 20 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 30 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 50 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 55 Installed
    SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2 0 60 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 0 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 1030 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 1042 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 3 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 10 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 17 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 1080 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 11 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 18 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 1200 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 12 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 16 Installed
    ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2 0 1060 Installed
    TOMEANDBLOOD/TOMEANDBLOOD.TP2 0 131 Installed
    TOMEANDBLOOD/TOMEANDBLOOD.TP2 0 141 Installed
    TOMEANDBLOOD/TOMEANDBLOOD.TP2 0 150 Installed

    Install Component [Select an installation method below:]?
    [N]o, [Q]uit or choose one:
    1] install eveerything (as designated in settings.ini)
    2] no new kits - JUST install the sphere system
    Uninstalling All Other Subcomponents of [Select an installation method below:]
    Done Uninstalling All Other Subcomponents of [Select an installation method below:]

    Sphere system, item useability and dual classing set to 0 in ini. Kits included are the cleric kits, champion kits (not zealots), druid kits (not mystics), ranger kits and no multiclass kits.

    The install goes fine up until this point:
    [faiths_and_powers/deity/Dom/ho/champion_2.txt] loaded, 9361 bytes
    [faiths_and_powers/deity/Dom/ho/zealot_1.txt] loaded, 58 bytes
    [faiths_and_powers/deity/Dom/ho/zealot_2.txt] loaded, 18 bytes
    Copied [faiths_and_powers/deity/Dom/b_d_ho.d] to [faiths_and_powers/deity/b_d_ho.d]
    Compiling 1 script ...
    [./override/RACE.IDS] loaded, 1367 bytes
    Processing 1 dialogues/scripts ...
    Compiling 1 dialogue file ...
    Processing 1 dialogues/scripts ...
    Adding B_D_DWA to internal list of available DLGs
    ERROR: internal label [B_dom013_9] appears 2 times in processed DLG [B_D_DWA]
    ERROR: postprocessing [B_D_DWA]: Failure("cannot resolve label")
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.

    ERROR Installing [Select an installation method below: -> install eveerything (as designated in settings.ini)], rolling back to previous state
    Unable to Unlink [faiths_and_powers/backup/102/OTHER.102]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", "faiths_and_powers/backup/102/OTHER.102")


    Edit: I should add that I am using Spell and Item Revisions Revised.
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  • inethineth Member Posts: 746
    edited February 2019
    Ohhh, my bad... I accidentally downloaded the latest FnP version from here (beta 0.74.33), rather than from here (v0.75.21.1).
    I used to know exactly what was involved in that error

    That problem (with FnP 0.74.33) only occurred for me when Eilistraee's Song was installed, but not when lots of other quest and item mods were installed. Maybe it's because ES installs a cleric kit that you can get as a quest reward, and AFAIK none of the other mods installed any kits.

  • ArdulArdul Member Posts: 211
    You guys could try go comment out this line:
    LAF deity_dialogue END
    
    ...at line 895 of Faiths_and_Powers.tp2

    hmm that seemed to work. Thanks for the tip. Will have to see how it influences spell selection for clerics.
  • inethineth Member Posts: 746
    edited February 2019
    Alright, with v0.75.21.1, component 102 "install eveerything (as designated in settings.ini)" installs without error (even with Eilistraee's Song installed).
    There are some install warnings thoug, even when installing on a clean BG2:EE:
    WARNING: no effects altered on SPPR329.spl
    WARNING: no effects altered on sppr420b.spl
    WARNING: no effects altered on SPPR409.spl
    WARNING: no effects altered on SPPR409.spl
    WARNING: no effects altered on sppr105.spl
    

    However, I've noticed that the component 105 "no new kits - JUST install the sphere system" does not install on a clean BG2:EE:
    [./override/D5SPHSPL.2DA] loaded, 520 bytes
    Appended text to [d5sphspl.2da]
    FAILURE:
    Invalid spell number: -1
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    

    Not sure if that matters (Is this component even supposed to be installed without first installing FnP-aware kit mods?).
    I'll just go with the first component.
  • ArdulArdul Member Posts: 211
    edited February 2019
    Sigh. But now SCS won't install due to this error:
    SFO: Cloning SPL file(s) SPWI807=>dw#sumfi and applying patch(es)...
    Copying and patching 1 file ...
    [./override/SPWI807.SPL] loaded, 1442 bytes
    FAILURE:
    is not an integer, but one was expected

    ERROR: Failure(" is not an integer, but one was expected") in apply_standard_function: inputs were func=parameter1, arguments=
    ERROR: [SPWI807.SPL] -> [override/dw#sumfi.SPL] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure(" is not an integer, but one was expected"))

    Hmm it's th summoned fiend spell. Probably doesn't have anything to do with FnP? But does install normally otherwise...
  • GrammarsaladGrammarsalad Member Posts: 2,582
    edited February 2019
    Some or all of these problems might go away once we do our next release.

    Before the spell update (00.76.00), the internal build was at 00.75.24 or so. I'm a bit nervous about releasing 00.76.00 because I rushed the upload so we could search for the conflict with Eilistraee's Song. Specifically, I had added a few things last minute that I hadn't tested yet.

    You could try cloning the current version from github to see if these issues go away:

    https://github.com/UnearthedArcana/Faiths_and_Powers

    Click the green button that says "clone or download" and then click the zip option.

    @Ardul that may be a scs issue. Not at my computer so I can't check, but going by the spl name of SPWI807.SPL I don't think we add or modify any 8th level wiz spells in this mod.

    Edit:
    We definitely don't in the most recent build so if fnp is the issue, cloning the most recent build should work
  • GrammarsaladGrammarsalad Member Posts: 2,582
    Ardul wrote: »
    ...

    Hmm it's th summoned fiend spell. Probably doesn't have anything to do with FnP? But does install normally otherwise...

    Hmmm, that may be a conflict between srr and scs...
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  • inethineth Member Posts: 746
    @subtledoctor
    Here's the ADD_KIT block from that mod... (Is ESxABIL the "CLAB file name"?)
    ADD_KIT ~ESxKit~ 
    ~ESxKit 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0~  // CLASWEAP.2da
    ~ESxKit 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0~ // WEAPPROF.2da 
    ~ESxKit 0 0 0 0 9 0~ // ABCLASRQ.2da
    ~ESxKit 0 0 0 0 0 0~ // ABCLSMOD.2da
    ~ESxKit 0 0 0 0 0 0~ // ABDCDSRQ.2da - sensless
    ~ESxKit 0 0 0 0 17 0~ // ABDCDSRQ.2da
    ~ESxKit 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0~ // ALIGNMNT.2da
    ~ESxKit 1 0 1 1 0 1~ // DUALCLAS.2da
    ~Eilistraee\KIT\ESxABIL.2da~ // CLAB - abilities     
    ~~ // KITTABLE.2da
    ~0x04000000 3~ // KITLIST.2da
    ~Cl0~ // LUABBR.2da
    ~* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *~  // ToB starting items
      SAY @1 /* Sword Dancer of Eilistraee */
      SAY @1 /* Sword Dancer of Eilistraee */
      SAY @2 /* SWORD DANCER OF EILISTRAEE: Sword Dancers are the servants of the Dark Maiden, Eilistraee. They are usually drow who decided (or were forced to) leave the Underdark. However, not only drow may become Sword Dancers. There are also surface elves and half-elves among them. They usually live in forests or abandoned ruins which become both their shelter and temples. Eilistraee is a good goddess of the moon, dance, song, the sword and the hunt who grants her followers special abilities to help them survive. The Dark Lady herself is a child of Corellon Larethian and Araushnee - later known as Lolth the Queen of the Spider Pits. Eilistraee is also believed to appear in Faerûn herself. At these times, she may be seen during the night as a naked drow woman with long, silver hair, holding a silver sword.
    
    ADVANTAGES:
    - May summon a Moon Sword. The enchantment of the sword depends on the Sword Dancer's level.
    - May cast Moonfire. This spell grants some light similar to that of the moon. It gives all allies infravision.
    - At level 10, the Bladedance skill is granted. It creates a blade that will fight as the caster's ally.
    - At level 14, Lesser Spellsong is granted. It gives the caster a Free Action effect.
    - At level 16, Spellsong is granted. It gives the caster Free Action as well as Haste.
    
    DISADVANTAGES:
    - Only females may become a Sword Dancer.
    - Only elves and half-elves may be Sword Dancers.
    - Cannot be evil. */
    
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  • MythalarMythalar Member Posts: 68
    Light sphere would be the more moony one no? And appropriate for a goddess who advocate for a return to the surface
  • inethineth Member Posts: 746
    edited February 2019
    "Eilistraee was the chaotic good drow goddess of song, dance, swordwork, hunting, moonlight, goodness, and beauty [...]

    She could use any kind of spell from any school or sphere of magic, but preferred those from the animal, plant, healing, creation, and charm/enchantment spheres
    "

    Moonlight seems to be her most prominent theme.

    In terms of FnP spheres, I guess Light would be her main sphere (it still grants Moonblade and Wall of Moonlight, right?).

    Other than that, maybe also:
    Vigor ("dancing like a moonbeam or running like a silver wolf through the forest")
    Thought ("Those who contemplated her could feel as if they had found the answer to all that their soul ever longed for, but upon her leaving, they would experience a feeling of deep loss")
    Benediction ("nurture beauty, show kindness, and make life flourish")
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  • inethineth Member Posts: 746
    Light includes moon spells (as does the Sun sphere in PnP, weirdly) but I suppose stuff like False Dawn and Sunray are inappropriate.

    Clearly, FnP needs subspheres! :lol:

    *ducks*
  • GrammarsaladGrammarsalad Member Posts: 2,582
    ineth wrote: »
    Light includes moon spells (as does the Sun sphere in PnP, weirdly) but I suppose stuff like False Dawn and Sunray are inappropriate.

    Clearly, FnP needs subspheres! :lol:

    *ducks*

    Lol
  • ArdulArdul Member Posts: 211
    I tried installing the Manage NPC's component of SCS, but I ran into some problems. The installation had only two components before SCS: FNP (with all kits enabled, no sphere system), and the Feat component of Might and Guile. I am not sure if I should post about the problem here, or at the SCS forum on G3.

    The installation fails with the following error:
    editing CLABDR04 for BEAST_FRIEND
    Copying and patching 1 file ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2da] loaded, 15188 bytes
    Copying 1 file ...
    override/CLABDR04.2da copied to weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/CLABDR04.2da, 15188 bytes
    Copied [.../stratagems-inline/clab_template.2da] to [override/CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 14 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 629 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    ERROR: illegal 14-byte write (GA_%spell-res%) offset 0 of 11-byte file INNER_PATCH_SAVE " "
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    ERROR: [kitlist.2da] -> [weidu_external/workspace] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("INNER_PATCH_SAVE \" \": write out of bounds"))
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.

    ERROR Installing [Improved NPC customisation and management], rolling back to previous state
    Unable to Unlink [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", "weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100")
    [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/UNSETSTR.4100] SET_STRING uninstall info not found
    Will uninstall 739 files for [STRATAGEMS/SETUP-STRATAGEMS.TP2] component 4100.
    Restoring backed-up [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/spell.ids]
  • GrammarsaladGrammarsalad Member Posts: 2,582
    Ardul wrote: »
    I tried installing the Manage NPC's component of SCS, but I ran into some problems. The installation had only two components before SCS: FNP (with all kits enabled, no sphere system), and the Feat component of Might and Guile. I am not sure if I should post about the problem here, or at the SCS forum on G3.

    The installation fails with the following error:
    editing CLABDR04 for BEAST_FRIEND
    Copying and patching 1 file ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2da] loaded, 15188 bytes
    Copying 1 file ...
    override/CLABDR04.2da copied to weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/CLABDR04.2da, 15188 bytes
    Copied [.../stratagems-inline/clab_template.2da] to [override/CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 14 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 629 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    ERROR: illegal 14-byte write (GA_%spell-res%) offset 0 of 11-byte file INNER_PATCH_SAVE " "
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    ERROR: [kitlist.2da] -> [weidu_external/workspace] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("INNER_PATCH_SAVE \" \": write out of bounds"))
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.

    ERROR Installing [Improved NPC customisation and management], rolling back to previous state
    Unable to Unlink [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", "weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100")
    [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/UNSETSTR.4100] SET_STRING uninstall info not found
    Will uninstall 739 files for [STRATAGEMS/SETUP-STRATAGEMS.TP2] component 4100.
    Restoring backed-up [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/spell.ids]

    Hmm, that looks like a sec error:
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    ERROR: illegal 14-byte write (GA_%spell-res%)
    

    It seems like that "(GA_%spell-res%)" should. be "(GA_%spell_res%)"

    But scs, man. I really don't understand the cud code in that one...
  • ArdulArdul Member Posts: 211
    Ardul wrote: »
    I tried installing the Manage NPC's component of SCS, but I ran into some problems. The installation had only two components before SCS: FNP (with all kits enabled, no sphere system), and the Feat component of Might and Guile. I am not sure if I should post about the problem here, or at the SCS forum on G3.

    The installation fails with the following error:
    editing CLABDR04 for BEAST_FRIEND
    Copying and patching 1 file ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2da] loaded, 15188 bytes
    Copying 1 file ...
    override/CLABDR04.2da copied to weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/CLABDR04.2da, 15188 bytes
    Copied [.../stratagems-inline/clab_template.2da] to [override/CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 14 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    Appending to files ...
    [./override/CLABDR04.2DA] loaded, 629 bytes
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    ERROR: illegal 14-byte write (GA_%spell-res%) offset 0 of 11-byte file INNER_PATCH_SAVE " "
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    ERROR: [kitlist.2da] -> [weidu_external/workspace] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("INNER_PATCH_SAVE \" \": write out of bounds"))
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.
    Stopping installation because of error.

    ERROR Installing [Improved NPC customisation and management], rolling back to previous state
    Unable to Unlink [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100]: Unix.Unix_error(1, "unlink", "weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/OTHER.4100")
    [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/UNSETSTR.4100] SET_STRING uninstall info not found
    Will uninstall 739 files for [STRATAGEMS/SETUP-STRATAGEMS.TP2] component 4100.
    Restoring backed-up [weidu_external/backup/stratagems/4100/spell.ids]

    Hmm, that looks like a sec error:
    Appended text to [CLABDR04.2da]
    ERROR: illegal 14-byte write (GA_%spell-res%)
    

    It seems like that "(GA_%spell-res%)" should. be "(GA_%spell_res%)"

    But scs, man. I really don't understand the cud code in that one...

    Fair enough, it was worth a try. It might have been obvious to you. @DavidW do you have any ideas?
  • MythalarMythalar Member Posts: 68
    @Grammarsalad @subtledoctor

    Hey, just a little question that is not relative to the incoming update: would it be possible to make a cleric/mage kit using the new M&G bard spellcasting system for both divine and arcane magic?
    It would learn wizard spells via scrolls and cleric ones via spheres.

    Thinking of it because imo it would be an awesome incarnate of Mystra kit (maximum weave flexibility!)
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  • MythalarMythalar Member Posts: 68
    edited March 2019
    @subtledoctor I was not at all saying it would be balanced in this state, just asking if it would be doable (and it's a no^^)

    I, for one, would not be so surprised if Mystra would occasionally allow some of her followers to have special abilities without being a "chosen".

    As for the bard/cleric I would go for the "bardic" spellcasting system applied to divine spells and a thief or fighter second class. Like a chorister warrior!

    And I quite like this:
    My thinking here is, it would be a C/M kit who nicely follows Mystra's rules when casting arcane magic, and as a reward for good behavior, gets spontaneous use of divine magic via a direct line to the goddess' power
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  • MythalarMythalar Member Posts: 68
    edited March 2019
    In my mind such a spontaneous spellcaster would indeed just be limited to wizard armors and weapons, and why not the limited hp.
    I live for spellcasting options and am very interested in something different from just a sorcerer with divine spells!
  • MythalarMythalar Member Posts: 68
    then what does a cleric/bard look like?

    - A cleric/mage kit, with bardic spellcasting on the wizard side and traditional Vancian casting for priest spells?

    - If it embraces the roguish nature of bards, should they perhaps be cleric/thief kits, applying the bardic spellcasting system to their priest spells?

    Have been thinking about this overnight (that does help sometimes), and I would nuance my previous answer:

    - bard followers for gods such as Eilistraee would definitely fit in the cleric/warrior category, after all she IS a swordmaster god, and a hunter, so the bard side would be the dance performance and it would blend with spellcasting to achieve somethind like the bladesinger

    - on the other side bard followers of a deity such as Oghma would fit in the cleric/mage category, and I would say with the bardic spellcasting system applied to arcane spells since the accumulation of spells via scrolls fit the god of lore nicely. In this instance this kit would be limited to mage equipment etc... (and it would be, in my mind, a nice balance to your Mystra C/M kit concept, both options)

  • splodeykittehsplodeykitteh Member Posts: 10
    I decided to give this a whirl and rolled a DR Feywarden of Corellon using FnP's own spheres...but when I landed in Irenicus's dungeon I had maybe four spells per level, and selecting my deity with the innate option gives no options. I believe I read you saying somewhere that Divine Remix kits are covered by this? I'm perfectly happy to manually give myself whatever spells I should have using the excel on the front page of this post as reference if you'd just tell me what spheres you've given the Feywardens!
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  • splodeykittehsplodeykitteh Member Posts: 10
    Actually, I installed the lot, kits and spheres both. I'll always take more options over less and risk some complications. Thank you so much for the prompt response, you being such a good sport about these things is one of the things that convinced me to try your mod in the first place ^^ Would I be missing out a lot by starting my playthrough now? I could be convinced to wait for the next full release...
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