Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
Let's see... Something about it being made by people that shouldn't have ever touch the licence again. Or maybe something on rehashed plot elements from previous Fallout [3] game? Maybe on their general lack of understanding of the licence? Or maybe on the fact that F4 made one step forward, but several backwards? You know, some things like that, things that normally are heavily criticized for, but Bethesda somehow avoids this.
I get it, Fallout won't be like classic nowadays. It's impossible. And yet if it would be done by competent company, like Obsidian, instead of apes with good marketing strategy, I could still remain a fan of the franchise.
Yes, technically we're all apes. The context in which I used the word was important, you k now.
And yes, fans have spoken - and unfortunately, they did so through number of sales. It sold well, so at that point you can't expect decent Fallout game anymore from B.
And yes, fans have spoken - and unfortunately, they did so through number of sales. It sold well, so at that point you can't expect decent Fallout game anymore from B.
According to Steamspy its got 2.4 million sales on Steam alone.
Its pretty unlikely that a Kickstarter game will even come close to the numbers of a AAA game, especially a spiritual successor to a genre(CRPGs) that was ''deader than disco'' until the release of BG:EE. Also a good chunk of AAA game's audience is kinda like the audience of superhero movies, a bunch of casuals who only want to have fun for a couple of hours and don't really care about the source material(it was a sad day for me when a Youtube commenter confused Adam Warlock for Drax in that episode of Avengers: EMH).
(CRPGs) that was ''deader than disco'' until the release of BG:EE..
I don't find any sales numbers for the EE games, but I don't get the feeling that those games had a big impact. A good bet would be that the 5/7 of the EE buyers already played the original games. Obsidian, Inxile, Larian Studios - (+ indi developers[Serpent in the Staglands]) those guys keeping the genre alive.
But lets see what the next big thing from Beamdog turns out to be.
Personally, I'm more interested in the upcoming TRPG Dustwind than UnderRail. (Or Fallout 4 for that matter.) Think of Fallout Tactics, but with a more refreshing setting.
Oddly enough I've found out about this game while browsing creatures on deviantart: that frogpig is just about the most adorable thing of post-apocalyptic settings I ever saw! Drawn by PlanK-69
@bengoshi That's the problem. Bethesda was basically rewarded for releasing a dumbed-down Fallout game that has barely any RPG elements. This means it's sequel is likely going to be the same.
@bengoshi That's the problem. Bethesda was basically rewarded for releasing a dumbed-down Fallout game that has barely any RPG elements. This means it's sequel is likely going to be the same.
And what's worst... even knowing all that I"ll eventually buy it at some point anyway...
"There's always Wasteland 2" I can't bring myself to express how absolutely stupid this argument is. So instead I'll say two things:
1) How does that statement justify turning a role-playing game into dumbed down sandox? "There's always Wasteland 2" basically means: "Screw you, go somewhere else". The only difference between those statements is that one sounds nicer.
2) About that video and his stupid argumentation. When instead of pointing out flaws one forcibly tries to make them look like advantages, then I believe you are hurting Fallout license (and maybe even gaming industry) in general. By sucking up to Bethesda you are simply giving them permission to keep dumbing down entire franchise. Critique, on the other hand has, very slight but still, chances to make them think twice before pulling that off again.
Nah, who I am kidding. They will make their marketing campaing effective again instead of actually trying to improve. It worked this time, it will work in the future.
If you want what you've been waiting for in terms of "real" (isometric) Fallout game, by all means go out and grab Underrail as soon as you can. It's exactly what you want. Fallout 4 is simply too rich for my computer's blood. That said, it's obviously a juggernaut, and it was very unlikely they were ever going to deviate from Fallout 3's massive success. And Fallout 3 isn't a bad game, but it's not as good as New Vegas. And as I mentioned before the game out, there are hundreds of hours of play in those two games alone, and now we have a third entry that is doing the exact same thing. It's exceedingly rare that third games in a series have the sense of purpose or improvements that the original and direct sequel do, especially in this genre.
To elminster's point above, Underrail now appears to have gone from 6% off to 7% off....strike while the iron is hot, or risk holding out waiting for 8%....of $15....
And Fallout 3 isn't a bad game, but it's not as good as New Vegas.
And this right here is why I still play these games after 3. Sure they aren't isometic CRPGs, sure Fallout 4 has turned even further away from being an RPG in general, but they are still good, fun games. I've played through most of what Fallout 4 has to offer and am finally finishing up with 225 hours of the game running (not necessarily playing all that time of course). I managed to put all that time in because it is a fun game, and it certainly isn't lacking in things to do. However, the lack of RPG does provide a problem for drawing me back in for a new playthrough. I'll probably touch the game again after the expansions and big mods are out, but really there isn't much for you to do to change your journey beyond what faction destroys all of the others.
"There's always Wasteland 2" I can't bring myself to express how absolutely stupid this argument is. So instead I'll say two things:
1) How does that statement justify turning a role-playing game into dumbed down sandox? "There's always Wasteland 2" basically means: "Screw you, go somewhere else". The only difference between those statements is that one sounds nicer.
2) About that video and his stupid argumentation. When instead of pointing out flaws one forcibly tries to make them look like advantages, then I believe you are hurting Fallout license (and maybe even gaming industry) in general. By sucking up to Bethesda you are simply giving them permission to keep dumbing down entire franchise. Critique, on the other hand has, very slight but still, chances to make them think twice before pulling that off again.
Nah, who I am kidding. They will make their marketing campaing effective again instead of actually trying to improve. It worked this time, it will work in the future.
I don't think he's ''sucking up'' to Bethesda. He's more like explaining why the recent Fallout games are a big departure from the originals and dissapointing from a RPG point of view.
Just out of curiosity, a question for those who have already bought and played the game. After the patches since release and with DLC just around the corner... would you recommend someone to buy the game now?
I enjoy the gameplay, in the same way that I enjoyed the gameplay in Skyrim. The story hasn't grabbed me yet, though, which isn't a good sign. And the wasteland is so non-descript that exploration doesn't feel all that rewarding either, which means that the big open world actually feels too big.
The crafting system I also find somewhat lacking. I find myself obsessively scrapping things hoping to get the components I need for a particular mod--but what I really want to do is fashion all-new items from spare parts, not modify existing ones.
The great thing about crafting in Skyrim was that you had your components and then you put them together to assemble a new item that you immediately wanted to equip and see how it looked and affected your stats. In Fallout 4, you're assembling parts of an item you already have. There's no "This is a new thing" feeling for me.
There's also the fact that no matter what you do, everything you make is still junk. There's no way to make yourself a sleek-looking suit of armor; the best you can do is cobble together the pieces of a set, give them all the same mods, and hope for the best. It misses the point of crafting in a game like this, where you want to feel like you're conquering the wilderness and taming it to your will.
It's easy enough to slide into, to jump back into my character and run around shooting raiders. But it's too much like Skyrim to feel like a Fallout game, and not enough like Skyrim to feel like an Elder Scrolls game. It's caught in that awful middle ground where I wonder if Bethesda lost sight of the game they wanted to create. That's not a fun place to be.
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I get it, Fallout won't be like classic nowadays. It's impossible. And yet if it would be done by competent company, like Obsidian, instead of apes with good marketing strategy, I could still remain a fan of the franchise.
But the fans have spoken
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4
Lets see what will happen with the next installment. Can't be worse ?
And yes, fans have spoken - and unfortunately, they did so through number of sales. It sold well, so at that point you can't expect decent Fallout game anymore from B.
http://fortune.com/2015/11/16/fallout4-is-quiet-best-seller/
Those steam sales are peanuts.
In comparison, Pillars of Eternity has sold 500k, PC only
https://www.paradoxplaza.com/news/Pillars-500K-Sold/
So why should they even think about the past.
A good bet would be that the 5/7 of the EE buyers already played the original games.
Obsidian, Inxile, Larian Studios - (+ indi developers[Serpent in the Staglands]) those guys keeping the genre alive.
But lets see what the next big thing from Beamdog turns out to be.
Edit: Apparently its a technical glitch on Steam.
Oddly enough I've found out about this game while browsing creatures on deviantart: that frogpig is just about the most adorable thing of post-apocalyptic settings I ever saw!
Drawn by PlanK-69
I can't bring myself to express how absolutely stupid this argument is. So instead I'll say two things:
1) How does that statement justify turning a role-playing game into dumbed down sandox? "There's always Wasteland 2" basically means: "Screw you, go somewhere else". The only difference between those statements is that one sounds nicer.
2) About that video and his stupid argumentation. When instead of pointing out flaws one forcibly tries to make them look like advantages, then I believe you are hurting Fallout license (and maybe even gaming industry) in general. By sucking up to Bethesda you are simply giving them permission to keep dumbing down entire franchise. Critique, on the other hand has, very slight but still, chances to make them think twice before pulling that off again.
Nah, who I am kidding. They will make their marketing campaing effective again instead of actually trying to improve. It worked this time, it will work in the future.
To elminster's point above, Underrail now appears to have gone from 6% off to 7% off....strike while the iron is hot, or risk holding out waiting for 8%....of $15....
The crafting system I also find somewhat lacking. I find myself obsessively scrapping things hoping to get the components I need for a particular mod--but what I really want to do is fashion all-new items from spare parts, not modify existing ones.
The great thing about crafting in Skyrim was that you had your components and then you put them together to assemble a new item that you immediately wanted to equip and see how it looked and affected your stats. In Fallout 4, you're assembling parts of an item you already have. There's no "This is a new thing" feeling for me.
There's also the fact that no matter what you do, everything you make is still junk. There's no way to make yourself a sleek-looking suit of armor; the best you can do is cobble together the pieces of a set, give them all the same mods, and hope for the best. It misses the point of crafting in a game like this, where you want to feel like you're conquering the wilderness and taming it to your will.
It's easy enough to slide into, to jump back into my character and run around shooting raiders. But it's too much like Skyrim to feel like a Fallout game, and not enough like Skyrim to feel like an Elder Scrolls game. It's caught in that awful middle ground where I wonder if Bethesda lost sight of the game they wanted to create. That's not a fun place to be.